Exhuming the WYRD case again:



So, opinions?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=88970

Black September, listed as death metal...but I think the crust influences are notable, no?

There are also doomed-out slower parts.

Anyone have any opinions?

So what about this one?
http://bloodgasm.ifolder.ru/3649039
http://bloodgasm.ifolder.ru/3651008

And what has happened with the genre of Asguard?(http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=14173) I've just looked at their page and saw that the genre was changed to Gothic/Industrial Metal. But this band always played melodic death metal, only on the latest album they have changed their genre. Their mp3 can be found here http://www.mp3real.ru/mp3/asguard/

Bitchslicer
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=63989

I don't hear any grind in their sound.

Black September - I don't quite hear it, unless you'd describe Bolt Thrower as crust as well.

Asguard - fixed.

I'm sorry for being dumb but what the hell is crustcore?

Another name for Crust Punk

http://www.myspace.com/faxedhead

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=19809

I don't really think this band can be called death metal... it's avantgarde .. something, i guess.

Sundown
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2384
Progressive Metal
rather:
Gothic Metal with electronic elements
in a Rock Hard review, there are also industrial elements mentioned, but I think this can be neglected. Some references to Sisters of Mercy are also given; Design 19.

Glimmer:
http://staffwww.itn.liu.se/~toban/inter ... n-halo.mp3
http://staffwww.itn.liu.se/~toban/inter ... n-star.mp3

Design 19:
http://staffwww.itn.liu.se/~toban/interphase/sun-19.mp3
http://staffwww.itn.liu.se/~toban/inter ... etoday.mp3

Sundown changed as suggested.
I don't know what to call Faxedhead, besides crap. For the time being, I'll leave it as simply "various".

http://myspace.com/avataromania

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=6122

They are no longer death metal, they have changed their style to metalcore.

So the genre should be changed to:
Death Metal (early), Melodic Death/Metalcore (now)

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43828

Shouldn't this be metalcore, or deathcore?

Metalcore certainly no, because it is predominantly death metal based.
Groovy parts alone do not make it metalcore or hardcore

http://www.siczine.com/reviews/misericordiam.htm
"The third song "Subjugate" starts off with a riff that brings to mind Cephalic Carnage as the guitars seem to swirl around in dissonance."

They really seem to be influenced by bands like the one mentioned and there are grind based parts, too.

Ketha's genre should probably be changed. This band sounds much more like Martyr (ie. tech death) than worthy of inventing "post death metal".

Or maybe I'm just biased against the use of that adjective in describing genres.

About half of Zarach 'Baal' Tharagh's discography is ambient/noise, and the worst possible kind to boot.
http://www.4shared.com/file/47464228/b4 ... d=901d8671
Much, much more if anyone needs it.

I was gonna come in here and ask about Hellyeah and Five Finger Death Punch. However, FFDP has already been changed from "Thrash/Groove" to "Groove", so I'm not gonna talk about them. I'm sure both these bands have been talked about before (surprisingly I didn't see talk of them in this thread).

Anyways, I was gonna ask if "Heavy Metal" is really the best tag for Hellyeah? Heavy metal would imply traditional metal and Hellyeah doesn't seem to sound like that (from what I've heard).

If this has already been discussed before, feel free to ignore this post.

I'm pretty sure when I heard them a few years ago it was mostly grind. Can't remember for sure though.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540256936
Sounds rather like Stoner Doom to me. Black/Thrash? Where?

I'm pretth sure everything they've release has been Thrash.

Even King Gary(The vocalist/guitarist) wondered why they were called grind on here.

Su Ta Gar

Genre(s): Thrash Metal

They are mostly a Heavy Metal band, with different influences over the years.

The first album, 1991's "Jaiotze Basatia" is clearly classic Heavy Metal-oriented with a strong Speed Metal vibe. MySpace's songs "Jaiotze basatia" & "Jo ta ke" are from that album.
2nd & 3rd albums do have Thrash influences (listen "Nazca" on MySpace; other songs show best the Thrash influence though).
4th "Sentimenak Jarraituz" is an odd one, it features Ska (!) elements (saxophone included), but once again, it's more of a slight influence than a crossover thing.
From 1997's "Agur Jaina Gizon Txiruari" onwards they haven't changed so much. They play now Heavy Metal with "modern" (?) influences (Pantera, Machine Head and that sort of bands). The other song on MySpace is from that album. (Well, Pantera & Machine Head are classified as "Groove Metal" here, so that's it. Wow, Machine Head is even "Half-Thrash/Groove Metal"; fuck, what's "Half-Thrash"?)

So, to sum it up:

Heavy/Speed Metal (1987-1991)
Heavy/Thrash Metal (1992-1995)
Heavy Metal with Ska influences (1996)
Heavy Metal with Groove influences (1997-present)

If more samples are needed let me know (MySpace songs are just a few).

Since Bloodclot! got accepted I think genre should be changed to Half-Thrash/Groove/Hardcore.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=387

The reviews suggest that the band's newest album "The Scythe" is Powercore? And genre in the band's entry is Folk/Power. The Scythe really doesn't have any Folk in it.

Check out the first two songs at http://www.myspace.com/elvenking

Powercore is complete bullshit.
It still has folk melodies in it, it does not need to have 20 bagpipes to be described as such.
Even the Divided Heart revolves around a folksy melody.
On the other hand, there is absolutely no hardcore or similar in it.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5pUb7LGUyPg
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f8mse6lVm ... re=related
Do you hear the violin here?

It has more melodeath/Gothenburg influences than before (which the band acknowledges) and the songs are less bombastic and more straightforward.

Apparently some people here call everything more accessible sounding -core.

The reviews by trustful people can be helpful, but I would no generally change genres according to some largely subjective pieces in here, even when they were accepted ( example - current "Arghoslent are Dragonforce" controversial review).

Are you sure the Pantera/Machine Head comparison is fair? I heard a few more recent tracks and it's pretty standard speed metal with a rockin' vibe.

Which songs you've heard?

I admit Pantera/Machine Head is not the closest comparison, I said "modern" in my post but this term I find it too loose.
Anyway, the differences between the first album and the others are clear. When the Pantera "boom" took place back in '92-'93 (with "Vulgar Display of Power") the members in Su Ta Gar always said in interviews how much they liked it and how it was influencing their sound. The first album has a classic sound (Priest, "Walls of Jericho") while the others sound more... well, modern. Just the overall difference in sound from the 80's to the 90's.
Maybe we are talking about 10% of their sound, 90% has always stayed Heavy Metal afterall, they may tend here and there more to Speed Metal (the fastest songs) or more to Groove (the mid-paced ones) or whatever, but the core is always the same I think.

I heard Rotaflexa Garraxika from their Myspace, Beti zu gabe from their website, and whatever I could find on Youtube.

http://www.myspace.com/vinniemoore
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=4252

Never heard of the "solo guitarist" genre before. Wouldn't it be simpler to call it "Heavy Metal/Shred", or something like that?

Erhm... well... then I assume we have different points of view here... for me is still more Heavy Metal than Speed Metal, that's for sure.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=97695

Choi Il-Min is listed merely as "Heavy Metal", however, his early material was heavy metal/shred, his latest CD is more along the lines of a Satriani release.

So I think the genre should be changed to "Heavy Metal/Shred (early), Hard Rock/Shred (later)" or something like that.

His newer material is more improvisational, bluesy, and rocky instead of being metal (like his early material) and I don't want anyone to get confused.

Thank you.

Edit: Fixed by MMisantropo, thanks a lot!

Tangorodream listed as: "Black Metal/Depressive Doom Black Metal"

"Doom/Black Metal" should do it.
Thoughts?

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=38059

Should be changed to Black/Death Metal.
Listen to their first two tracks at theitr MySpace site; they are from thei 2007 release.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=6335
Should be changed to

Gothic Metal/Death Metal

Listen to their latest music. There is not much gothic left.

Done.

Dissector
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=12809

Sounds nothinhg like Brutal Death Metal

Going back to Elvenking, I agree that calling them powercore is extremely stupid, but I think the genre does need to be changed to something else. They certainly no longer play the same kind of metal as on Heathenreel. They don't really have much of the power metal sound that was present before, though I don't know if I would go so far as saying they have the same amount of melodeath as a band such as Eluveitie. I still think that a folk/melodic death tag would be more pertinent than a folk/power tag.

Haunted Shores:

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=96223

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=45723973

I downloaded their EP off of the freemetalalbums blog, they listed themselves as Progressive Thrash. I hear Groove riffs, I hear Melodic Death riffs, I hear Metalcore, but no Thrash. I don't listen to Metalcore so I don't know what the proper genre would be, but Progressive Thrash is definitely wrong.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=70791
Coldseed - no power metal elements to me, more like Gothic/Groove

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=5057
Poisonblack - more like Gothic/Groove than just gothic metal too, especially the later stuff

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=162
Sentenced - later stuff sounds more like Doom Metal than gothic (KYPCK sound almost the same and are labeled doom)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=16466
Helltrain - more like Melodic Death/Death'n'Roll than just Death'n'Roll - they sound kinda like Gandalf, The Duskfall with more rock'n'roll music... and not like Entombed or Gorefest

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=108372
Devian - should be listed as Melodic Black Metal since they sound just like Naglfar

Haunted Shores: good point, Mekong Delta this is definitely not. Although I do hear similarities with modern "thrash" such as Haunted and The Crown.

Coldseed - whoa, what is this crap? Blind Guardian meets Prodigy? Fixed as suggested.

Sentenced - not doom at all, just some heavy rock with severe lack of balls. Gothic metal describes it just fine.

Poisonblack - this sounds closer to Evanescence than to Pantera. No deal.

Devian - I hardly hear any BM on it, much less of the melodic, drowned-in-keyboards variety.

Helltrain - I'll leave that untouched for the time being... My utmost desire is to delete 'em altogether. These guys couldn't come up with an actual riff to save their lives, they sound as metal as HIM and Blink 182. Their self-description is "punk ass rot 'n' roll" and I can see why.

Elvenking - melodeath? all I hear is the same old flower metal, I have no idea what you people are talking about. Perhaps the folk influence is less obvious, but that only further pushes the melodic PM sound to the forefront.

what about "Depressive Rock" for Sentenced just as Katatonia ?

"Suicide Rock" for newer Bethlehem is misleading too.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=13137
The Moaning - Melodic Black/Death
=> just old school melodic death

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3124
Swordmaster - Black Metal (Early), Thrash/Death Metal
=> also old school melodic death

these are like gates of ishtar, at the gates, a bit of like early DT, etc.