"A chance"

In other words, pure speculation and rumors

I have never heard Drudkh in this discussion but, from looking at their M-A page, it must've come up before since "Drudkh is not a political band" is already written there.

However, having a guitarist guest on an album is not something I would be too concerned with... Would I guest with a band like this? No, because people may assume I support that kind of ideology. But, as the discussion here shows, it is all shades of grey in such a small scene. How many times have we seen non-NS bands have to apologize for a demo or early release coming out through a label that also distributes NSBM? With NSBM being a fairly widespread subgenre in an already small genre pool, the two worlds are going to bump into each other sometimes.

I tend to look for more meaningful connections before I judge a particular band. For instance, despite their recent controversies and Antifa threats, it should be fairly apparent that Marduk and Watain are NOT NS (http://www.metalsucks.net/2018/04/11/nazi-imagery-why-watain-and-marduk-dont-get-a-pass-while-slayer-and-metallica-do/).

I also remember when Nachtmystium got signed to Century Media and got accused of being NS because Regimental Records released their debut album. So, to me, I am not ready to make a conclusion on Drudkh based on one guest appearance.

That said, if anyone has more meaningful proof otherwise, let's see it!

Roman Saenko from Drudkh played in Hate Forest and there's always been a lot of talk about Hate Forest being a NSBM band despite the eforts of the band members in denying all this claims (they had a song called Aryosophia with a pretty obvious message, they used triskelions and celtic crosses on their artwork, they recorded stuff on Blutreinheit Productions, they used to sell a shirt with the face of Roman Shukhevych who was a one-time ally of Nazi Germany and one of the organizers of the Halych-Volhyn massacre...)



Roman being friends with Famine shouldn't bee too surprising, I thought all of this was common knowledge.

God, Famine is a terrible vocalist and a putrescent lyricist. This band needs to go instrumental. Seriously, those boneheaded lyrics....

That was my take away as well... Very corny lyrics and I didn’t like the vocal approach at all.

The only thing you "need" from this band is their first album, 2nd and 3rd one were ok but not as great. After that, the music got worse just like the whole narcissist spectacle around Famine got more annoying, there must be some correlation here. Surely they have now more bad than good albums out, which is never a good sign. And they aren't even an old band.

I agree with Usurp mostly. I think Folkfuck Folie and Ballade were excellent, especially the later, but nothing after those has been too good imo. The music really changed pretty severely and I just don't enjoy the new vibe at all. It fits the videos perfectly though (which is not a good thing for the music!).

I actually like their last two albums better than the older ones. I'm excited as hell for the new material, wish they would hurry up with it.

I'd love to know what goes on inside these kinds of guys' heads. I mean, what's up with all the cryptofascist and cryptonazi shit? I know there are people who legitimately believe they are neither of these things even if they might like the symbolism or be fund of some early conservative germanic revolution stuff or whatever... but people who actually put the face of Nazis or Nazi allies on their merch and then go on to try and deny that their are neo-nazis... I'm not getting it...

This has caused me to brush up on my history and do a bit of research. Apparently, many Ukrainian people lionize Roman Shukhevych for his role in the fight for Ukrainian independence. In 2007, the president posthumously gave him the "Hero of Ukraine" award - but the high courts overruled him as Shukhevych was never a Ukrainian citizen and wouldn't be eligible for the honor. They even renamed a street after him in Kiev this past summer. They downplay the real issue, which is that this is a person who allied himself with Nazi Germany to try and use that allegiance to gain independence for Ukraine.

It's quite interesting to see the rise of these far right ideals in Eastern Europe and even in the States. After the devastation and mass murder, it's crazy to see the rise of nationalism all over again. Though, for those in our scene, it is easy to see that NS bands have always been huge in that part of the world, so maybe nationalism never really left.

That said, bands that try to distance themselves from the word "nazi" apparently don't think it's a bad thing to be nationalistic - as evidence by this shirt being sold. But, whether you're a nationalist, a fascist or whatever you want to call it - you're part of the same movement as nazis.

And, as I said in my earlier post, there is too much good music being produced around the world to have a reason to support these bands. It is also much easier now to distribute your music than having to partner with a label that puts this stuff out. If you do, there's something more to it than just "I really like the riffs, man..."

I'm always surprised when people don't know that about Drudkh. Hate Forest was pretty overt about what they believe.

For myself, I blame it on naivety honestly... I had only heard of Hate Forest in passing, never checked them out or knew who was involved. I also assumed a label as big as Season of Mist wouldn't be associating with this part of the scene. But, then again, they took in Inquisition as well so who knows.

I hope their new album have anything to do with SxE scum, I think Famine is getting SxE like that Slavic douchebags

I stumbled across their new(ish?) music video. "Hooligan black metal" is the new hip hop?



I'm more interested in Peste Noire than I've been since "La Sanie..." came out. "Macabre Transcendence" is still one of the best demos of the 00's.

Yes, there are a lot of similarities between Peste Noire and gangsta rap.

That street live was AWESOME, can't wait for the new album.

Haha wow, that was embarrassing.

I will never understand why NSBM - or any kind of nationalism or racialism - in metal remains so controversial.

Metal is saturated with lyrics about murder, rape, gore, mutilation, genocide, war, and every other horrific topic, but the moment someone hints at being white nationalist everyone gets super triggered. Too bad most modern metalheads are ultimately just a bunch of sniveling liberals. #sad

Ideology aside, that street live was fucking embarrassing. Everything Black Metal should not be, especially when claiming its own elitism, as those bonehead fucks at Militant Zone tend to speak of themselves.

Anyone who makes this argument is being willfully ignorant to the intent of NSBM. When a band sings about war, that band is talking about the brutality of war. When bands are NS, they are espousing their own racist beliefs for other racists to celebrate. NS bands are NS people. NS people are scum.

Bands singing about war and destruction are exploring brutal themes. NS bands are racist. If you pretend not to know the difference, what category does that put you in?

Nice Talmudic logic.

Why can't people have "racist" beliefs? What exactly is the problem with that? Race is a real biological phenomenon with social and political effects on society. NS is mainly about ancestry and keeping Europa white, as it should be.

Anti-Christian black metal isn't just "exploring dark themes", it's actually anti-Christian and no one on this board has a problem with that. But when it comes to anti-Semitic black metal, you all clutch your pearls like a bunch of Catholic school girls.

For the record, yes, I'm NS.

So edgy.

Show me an anti-semitic band that criticizes the Hebrew religion without making horrible racist statements towards ethnic Jews and I've got a bridge in Alaska I want to sell you.

inb4 "yes they exist". I'm sure they do. All 2 or 3 of them.

You know damn well what point is being made here. There's no point in defending racism. Unless you're just an openly racist asshole, which may be the case.

This was a really funny way to say that you don’t know the definitions of shock value or tongue in cheek humor, not to mention that you probably never hung out with actual death metal musicians/never been to a concert/don’t ever go outside at all.

Four posts into being on this forum and every single one has been about far-right politics. It's pretty clear he only made an account here to, as they say, "trigger the libruls." Please don't give this russian bot the pleasure, he's not even here to discuss music.
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Great logic, indeed. Yes, surely all bands that sing about the "brutality of war" do this because they are 100% pacifist, and surely NOT because they are fascinated by martialism. And all bands that sing about serial killers, demons, Satan or whatever did this because they are strongly against such things and NOT because they are fascinated by evil and destruction.

You see the problem here?

Nope, please elaborate.

I asked Bingewolf, not you. If you want an elaborate answer, tell me where you stand first.

And Bingewolf: Just for the record, it's fine if you're against racism in Metal, but please don't cover the inferior motifs of bands like Watain or Marduk with noble ones. These people are surely no leftwingers (to put it mildly) and if it wouldn't ruin their commercial careers & reputation, their albums would contain NS praise as well.

No, I do not see the problem here. As I and others have stated, brutal topics in metal music are par for the course. Everyone who listens to the genre has experienced what the lyrical topics often are. However, Cannibal Corpse are not rapists and murderers and Sodom aren’t out there declaring war on nations.

However, NS bands are out there being nazis and openly racist scum. Being “fascinated by evil and destruction” is much different from being a nazi. Nice try though. That was cute!



People can have racist views if you want but that also means you can be criticized for your shitty worldview. The fact that you say “NS is about keeping Europe white, as it should be” shows that you’re racist scum. No one’s race makes them superior. That is quite laughable.

Moreover, if you actually like Peste Noire, that just highlights your poor taste in music... Which isn’t surprising considering the garbage passed off as “music” in that scene.

Bullshit argumentation. Show me one NSBM band that commits political violence against minorities. You won't find one, only Slavs and Latinos LARPing around. They have wicked ideas, but so have Cannibal Corpse if they phantasize about killing women and raping dead babies.

Your argument about Cannibal Corpse is like saying "pedophiles who only look at nude pictures on the internet are not doing harm to anyone".

There are bands like Macabre that openly advocates serial killers and no one has a problem with it. I suggest you also check out Denmarks Infernal Torment's lyrics and then you tell me that this was "just for fun" or being edgy.

This thread has long moved on from being about the original topic, and is now just one more "Mental_Relapse" from turning into a full-fledged dumpster fire.