She may not be very intelligent, and coming from a Republican, she has ruined McCain's chances at the Presidency, but she's not a "stupid bitch". She was elected governor, and chosen to be the Vice President of the Fucking United States. It's just like calling Bush dumb, he may not be eloquent, but he has degrees from some of the best schools in the country. And No one from the Rep side has called Obama a terrorist, at least no one who matters. These things get blown so far out of proportion, it's absurd. But, as a Government Major, Obama has already won the election. There is nothing McCain can do to stop the onslaught. He lost the election with Virginia about a month ago.

I think that Barack Obama, Is what we as a country needs right now. with all the problems were facing, I think Obama is the candidate with the fortitude and drive to help guide our nation through the problems and into the next era for the united states.

There's also a whole entire movement of people who are voting Obama in simply because of his race.

historically somewhere around 91% of the African american vote has gone to the democratic nominee. the progection for this election however only boost that by 3%

Same shit, different asshole.

Lol, if you think it is bad in Dallas go out to some rural areas and small towns. Their are plenty of idiot are here that are completely brainwashed. Anything that comes out of the republican campaign they take hold of and run with it. If Palin says he pals around with terrorist they will not only believe her but believe that he is a terrorist himself. They will take anything negative said about him and push it to the extreme. Of course, the other side is guilty of this as well in some cases.

I got news for you, degrees don't automatically make you smart. The more college I take the more painfully apparent this has become to me. Their are plenty of people with degrees who are idiots and their are plenty of people in high places that are idiots. In America, it's not the right man for the right job, it's about who I like the most.

Whoever gets degrees from prestigious schools or even gets accepted to such schools has less to do with what you know than: who you know, how much money your family has, and how much status your lineage has. Palin, Bush, and a host of other high end politicians are all descended from European aristocrats.

How is Palin and the Bush family descended from European royalty? I know the Bush family has been pretty deep in America, but I have never heard of anything beyond that. Not really challenging you or anything, I'm just curious.

As someone said, degrees or positions of power do not prevent one from being stupid, and Palin definitely is. Then again, so are all creationists, so whatever.

It's not very uncommon. I am too, if I wanted to be technical about it.

I don't disagree, but she doesn't suggest making that the standard for all school districts, even if she tried, she couldn't get away with it, and it doesn't necessarily detract from her ability to be a good leader. So long as she keeps politics and religion seperate I don't have any real problems with her politically speaking.

I hate everyone involved in this campaign except McCain and I don't even like him all that much. However, that said, I'd rather take another 4 years of Bush than Obama. Obama is the most left-wing candidate we've ever seen and I almost can't believe this country would even consider electing him or anyone like him in a political sense.

Wow, what is so bad about him that you would rather have 4 more years of Bush. Has your environment influenced you to hate liberals? I would really like to hear your logic behind such a statement.

I guess my question is similar, but, bard: What is left-wing for you, and why do you think it would be bad for America?

Not royalty Agathocles, aristocrats, or nobility if you will. Granted, nobility could lead into royalty depending on the situation a given country is in, since heaven forbid the old tyrants of Europe knock off the inbreeding and impregnate a few commoners, who they were probably already screwing anyway.

I know that Palin has a distant connection to FDR and the Roosevelt family definitely has connections to various upper class families in Europe. A lot of these political types also have organized crime connections, particularly McCain's wife. Ironically enough, Obama criticizes McCain often for being wealthy and having multiple homes (all of which he basically married into), but one of his strongest supporters John Kerry is even more well to do (again, by marrying his money).

It's not, but then again, they have done nothing of the sort. They've stated that Obama is friends with a former terrorist. There's a fair degree of difference.

I don't hate liberals, but I don't like left-wing ideas. Has nothing to do with my environment, really, but I'm from a more conservative area, I suppose (Kentucky-though it generally votes Democrat on the state level including governor). Left-wing for me is general tax increases for expanded government power such as providing healthcare and welfare, and government competition or takeover of privatized markets or companies (again, healthcare). That said, I think there is a definite role for federal *regulation* of private business (ala trust-busting by Teddy Roosevelt and things such as the FDA) and I do think that the current economic crisis is due to the deregulation of "firewalls" from the Reagan administration which then allowed the collapse of the housing market to bring down the rest of the economy.

As for why I'd rather have Bush, I think history will look upon him in a much more favorable light than people currently look at him. He's extremely unpopular, but not everything can be blamed on him. That said, it's a given that he's had some bad mistakes, but I don't think he is as bad as he is made out to be. We could write a book about that, though.

Someone ask what we think the tone of the election feels like?

So you have judged Obama on your general view of politicians who are left-wing? Bush will not be looked on favorably either. There are so many mistakes and bad policies that he supported that the common American doesn't even take notice of. Health-care is a serious issue, many people go bankrupt every every year from medical bills. It use to be the number one cause of bankruptcy, I'm not sure if it still is taking the current financial crisis into concern. Their is many reasons to blame for the financial crises than simple regulation and deregulation issues, I have commented on them in the thread in the symposium pertaining to that topic. I am fine with your thinking on the issues as long as it is based on judgment and not knee-jerk reaction that is associated with simple opinion. Also, do not let your environment make decisions for you. Do not be a vessel for other peoples judgment or opinions. Refrain from clinging to the passing ideology. Do not spew undigested though or be swayed by it. I would still like to here more about your reasoning, but don't feel compelled to have to offer.

If Obama were to be accused of leading the KKK, would it make much sense? If McCain were to be accused of being a Muslim conspirator, would it make much sense? The apparent reason that these specific accusations hold so much weight with McCain's target assortment is Obama's color.

Just explaining where the notion of racism is coming from, when not blatant.

Oh dear, you Americans seem to debate the same things over and over and over.
"Republicans are racist!"
"They're not, Democrats are sexist!"
"No, she's just a fool, Republicans are racist!"

Okay, I'll say it, if I had to pick one of the two, I'd go with Obama simply because he at least knows his own policies, the Republicans just keep flinging whatever they can, how is anybody meant to understand their stance on anything but the Iraq War? They've made very few actual policy statements as far as I know.



Obama's campaign has recruited metalheads now? That has to be the most textbook campaign talk I've ever seen. :lol::lol:

Haha, exactly. Minus some issues with capitalization and punctuation.

Don't worry, his use of the all important buzz words makes up for that, after all, Obama has fortitude and drive!

As am I.

Well, we could call each other retards, or we could call each other immoral retards. Most opt for the latter.

We just refer to you guys as "fucking Americans."

That's what we hear.

This just in:


Source here.

Holy shit. Is this real, guys?

That article is very clearly satirical.

Yes, it is. My feigned naivety to that highly obvious fact was a bit of humour on my part. Thought that my selective quoting of the article (leaving out sentences like "Shit, I ain't got much hope otherwise", "it's going to tarnish my own legacy of idiocy. That jackass.", and "The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.") would demonstrate my intentions adequately. Nothing wrong with a bit of fun.

Yeah, it did occur to me that you were joking sometime after posting it, but not initially, because frankly it wasn't very funny (no offense intended, though). I missed the last line that explicitly stated that it was fictitious, though.

Edit: Actually, it seems pretty obvious now that it was a joke. I'm just too tired right now, I guess. Never mind.

No offence taken. It is quite probable that my thresholds for amusement are vastly different from those of others. The thrust of my joke wasn't the article, so much as the idea of someone failing to recognise the article as a parody, and posting about it. Possibly a poorly conceived joke, but ah well.

Indeed, all he forgot to do was to add in the "the change we need!" horseshit.

Oh well, the Yanks are lucky, they didn't have to put up with the Kevin '07 campaign.

Ugh, you're telling me.

I liked the part where people thought he was going to bring change, even though he's basically a lesser, more politically correct version of Howard.

Well his whole campaign was basically based on toned down Howard policies, spun to seem original. The constant summits are getting out of hand though. Power to the people, yay, BUT THE PEOPLE ARE RETARDED.

Well this is Australia, haha.

That's sort of how the whole world functions ... letting everybody decide who's in charge is a good idea, except for the part where most people are idiots. Oh well, at least it seems to be headed in the right direction.

No, I answered the question about what I considered left-wing and what I believed the role of government was.

As for healthcare, I don't believe in socialized medicine in any way, shape or form. There are legitimate cases for an against it, but I don't believe it would be in the best interest for the federal government to try to provide healthcare for an additional 48 million people when we can't effectively provide healthcare for the 40 million currently on Medicaid. Obama's plan is delusion at best; add 48 million to the current healthcare plan at the cost of only $90 billion, when we currently pay over 3x that for less than that amount of people. Essentially, he wants to increase the amount of people provided for by 120% with a cost increase of less than 30%.

As for your comments about environment, "knee-jerk reactions" and "undigested thought" etc., I would obviously agree, but I also wouldn't appreciate it if you were attempting to imply that's what I was doing and that anyone who was voting McCain was like that (most are but same goes for Obama).