Metallica is never a great example for anything, but having some group counselling isn't unreasonable. After a point a band can be like a relationship. My three piece has been together for 7ish years and we are completely bonded and close and have been through so much together, but we do also get on each others tits and can bicker like an old married couple. Give it a few more years and I'll probably need counselling myself.

Anyway, when I saw this thread bumped I didn't notice this was the same poster as the 'should I quite music thread', but I agree. HellBentForLeather25, take a step back and just focus on your music and yourself, dude.

Who the hell think those assholes they are to tell a person who have just made his first song that he should quit music? What are they? Wizards? Can they forsee the future and tell that you could never be a good singer?

EVERYONE sucks in the beginning. Being a bad musician doesn't mean that you should quit music, means that you should practice more.

My opinion is not very valuable since I am not a singer but, as for those songs you posted, to be honest, your vocals are from being perfect but I have seen people who sing much worse than you do call themselves a singer and even have some success singing in a band. Some singing lessons and some practice and you can be a really good singer.

You should not quit music, people are people. If music makes you haply just keep doing it regardless of what they say. However be open to constructive criticism.

Hello

Me and a friend of mine is doing a duet live tonight. Im more of a metal guy but i am gonna join her on this song. Do it sound bad?



http://www.smule.com/recording/journey- ... _790282777

Ask yourself that question. Thats all that should matter anyways. Don't form your art based on other people's opinions. If you are playing this music out of inner necessity and passion then fuck yea it sounds great. You shouldn't be so open to criticism as a live performer, imo. Follow your path and it will become something great. I personally am not the least interested in duets in metal (unless they are both of the harsh screams/guttural variety) so I will abstain from commenting any further.

I'm going to be very honest here. Your vocals are extremely out-of-key. Your voice sounds hoarse, and it sounds like to me that you don't possess the technical ability to perform this kind of vocals. You need singing lessons and some seriously hard work.

Hello

I am a one man band recording music for myself. I tried to record something decent but i dont know if it sounds good. I took some inspiration from Shining and Mayhem. I tried to create some mixture of DSBM/Black Metal but i dont know if i shall finish the song if it sounds horrible. What do you think?
Also i am swedish.

https://soundcloud.com/simonovhell/dsbm

Hello

I need someone to review me.
I have trouble with vocal tone. It sounds terrible. How can i improve it?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0JyBqj5k0zT
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0x7AxRT309K
http://vocaroo.com/i/s069tHeVYH1O
http://vocaroo.com/i/s02eDxLyVJWY

Hello

I can make some good riffs but i dont know really how to make it into full songs.
Can anyone help me with that?
For example this riff (which is pretty bad) but still it feels like it need some kind of bridge into the chorus.
This is not a full song.

https://soundcloud.com/simonovhell/drow ... -obscurity

This is a difficult question, especially because a lot of metal does not rely on traditional song structures. In pop music, there are formulas people use to structure songs, based on chord progressions etc. (But these formulas manifest in classical music as well -- they're common because they work.) You could look to those to get ideas about what will sound good following what.

My preferred approach is to do things more intuitively. Simply listen to what you have written in a very absorbed way -- really feel it. As you approach the end of what you have written, you may find that your brain really EXPECTS or WANTS something to come next. Then you just try to produce that something, and modify it until you're happy with it.

It's the same for musicians as it's for writers, painters, programmers, creative workers or engineers of any kind. The first n things you do, be it songs, short stories, programs or anything, are going to suck. You need to keep doing it in order to improve. Feel free to copy and imitate others while you find your own style, and don't shy away from using basic pop-style song structures while you're learning to write. Your first 100 songs may suck, but you won't ever write a good one unless you go through all that.

I go with what my gut tells me how a song should flow. how many times something should be repeated, if I will return to anything previously. if i'm going to drop out and have an instrument lead it back in... it's from years of listening and knowing what I like hering and then knowing if that will be useful for whatever I have on my plate. it's not something that can be taught. it's just something gained.

I think this can vary from person to person and indeed song to song. In interviews with Metallica, Lars and James say that they used to just record loads of individual riffs, sit down together and piece them together. This was in their early days as well when they arguably produced their best material. So even songs as seemingly natural and masterful as Master Of Puppets and For Whom The Bell Tolls were probably produced by just hashing good riffs together!

Many write a song a like an entire piece of music, paying attention to structure and flow. If you're into prog at all then traditional song structure means really very little so you can write an entire piece of music based entirely on progression and sound, almost like an audio story!

Myself, I basically play around on the fretboard until I've got a cool sounding riff and then think about the vibe of the riff. What emotion does it prompt, no matter how vague or visceral. This then gives me a theme to work with and I play around on areas of the fretboard that I know will work with that vibe.

Playing around with different tunings changes it too I think. I write very differently in standard than I do in a drop tuning, with the former being more conducive to riff writing and the latter being more conducive towards droning arpeggios (in my own style anyway).

Experiment. Think. See what works for you. Don't be too self critical!

What you are asking is "how to sing". Research how to sing.

Isnt singing something that is genetic? Do i sound horrible?

1. No. It is a learned skill.

2. Yes, you do indeed sound horrible.

This is a tribute to the mighty Dio.
R.I.P
Sorry if the vocals suck.

https://youtu.be/QsSrrX3fJ14

"vocal cover"; "sorry if the vocals suck"; "tribute to Dio"

Isn't that a bit like going into a gym, approaching the squat rack with 800 pounds on the bar, dedicating the lift to Arnold Schwarzenegger (or worse, someone dead), and then letting the weight crush your spine?

I just said the vocals suck but the instruments sound good. And no its not a karaoke version. My band is going to play this live tomorrow. And i am the singer.

I think you should try singing along to something and comparing tones rather than doing short samples like this. The samples you gave don't truly give an idea of the voice in vocals. I'm not great at vocals at all but the only piece of advice I know a lot of teachers and vocalists will give you is to breath accordingly so you aren't gasping mid song.

Don't just make a noise into the mic dude. Sing a full song or something. We need a bigger frame of reference for how you really sound.

You are born with the voice you are born with but there are a lot of things you can do to change/improve your tone. A good voice teacher (one who specialises in rock, ideally) would be your best investment.

And it's worth acknowledging that very few people are good right away. Yes, many people can sing along with stuff in their car and hit a lot of the right notes. But any musician is likely to agree: For a while, the better you get, the more you realize you suck. At early phases of learning, people don't even know enough to hear how bad they sound, and they're very biased because they would like to think that they sound good. But that's rarely the case.

Is this just trolling for compliments, like the insecure teenage girls on facebook posting pics and saying how they're ugly and wish they were more beautiful, like (insert teen celebrity of your choice)? I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but every post of yours I have seen has talked about how bad your vocals are. The video is unavailable, so I can't say as to how well I do/don't like any of it, but IMHO if you really thought you were as bad as you make it seem, I have trouble believing you would do it in front of people.

No offense, but how are people suppose to tell their opinion when you keep deleting each video/recording. Also it would be better for you to be more confident on the work you make and devote more time on a subject so you can eventually improve at it

All of this guy's posts are just pity-parties. He doesn't actually want to improve, he just wants sympathy, or even a place to complain. He has 10 threads in here, and most of them are like this one.

However, if the above statement is wrong, HellBentForLeather25, then please actually accept some constructive criticism instead of sympathy. Padain_Fain is right.

Singing is definitly a learned skill, I've been singing for 15 years and I'm just starting to really hit my stride now. I was self taught, generally with a teacher you can obviously improve much quicker. These clips aren't any real indication of how you sound, I would say judging by these and yourhellbentfor leather name youre probably going for something halford/dickinson/tate ish, the most important thing I can tell you is to not worry about your actual voice ao much, but rather your pitch and breathing. Never force yourself to sing louder. If you want to hit higher notes, work on singing higher and keeping the volume the same. Generally this can be achieved by using a more nasal tone. It seems like youre already in the right voice for that, but just pay attention to not forcing it. Always go for less power and make sure you're breathing properly

Practice with full songs, doing high notes doesn't tell much. Start with medium songs, if you like Judas Priest Angel would be a good start. And try to get an acoustic guitar, it will help a lot developing your hearing. Cheers bro

Hello

Just to let you all know before you critizise i am not a black metal singer. My main instruments are guitar and drums. But i still love to sing some classic tunes now and then. Been listening to the genre since i was 14 and now i am 26. I did a vocal cover from one of my favourite gorgoroth songs sorry i the audio quality is'nt the best but i recorded it on my internal microphone and also i have a flu.
Just tell me what you think of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bw_Bsh ... e=youtu.be

I have tried now for some months to learn how to sing. I am basically more of a black metal singer but i have took up the interest in learning how to sing clean.
The thing is i dont know when i hit the right notes or not. To me that is not so important. But last week when i did karaoke in some bar i was sober and rocked out while singing some iron maiden song. I didnt care how my voice sounded but the audience looked very uninterested and i got no applause. So the question is should i stick with black metal singing and never sing clean again? Here come two recordings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bw_Bsh9TXE

https://www.smule.com/recording/iron-ma ... 1111137790

Again with the vocal covers?

First, why would you record vocals while sick? Objectively you won't be able to do your best. Second, your posts seem to be trying to reach out for affirmation or something but always have some sad sack element to them. Seeking feedback is fine, but I think first you need to find some confidence in yourself.

I also did a iron maiden vocal cover. Just tell me what u think should i just stick with bm singing? https://www.smule.com/recording/iron-ma ... 1111137790

Honestly, it's a really rough performance. The struggle with hitting notes is pretty obvious though it may also be a matter of figuring out what your range is. I certainly wouldn't tell you to stop but I'd definitely advise you to keep practicing. I'd try out as many styles as you can but I could see your voice working in a John Arch or early Icarus Witch sort of way with enough practice.

As for the karaoke bit, I think the indifferent response was most likely due to people not being that familiar with the song in question. From my experience, people are much more responsive in karaoke settings when someone is doing a good job of singing something they already know.

I dont really care about hitting notes i just want to make a good performance. But the question is can i sing and did it sound good?

"I don't care about X; the question is whether X."

Now, more clarification is needed, but maybe you're wondering whether you have a good "voice". Well, to say that you have an "obvious" "struggle with hitting notes" is to say that at least one thing is defective with the tone.

More generally, developing a good voice and learning to hit notes with effective, "proper" technique are inextricably linked. If you have good pick-ups in a guitar but everything else is fucked up, people won't be able to appreciate the pick-ups, and everything will sound like shit.

Ok so everything sounded good except the vocals?

Edit: Just did two different vocal covers tell me which you like the most.

https://www.smule.com/recording/iron-ma ... 1144243786
This one is a bit more falsetto

https://www.smule.com/recording/iron-ma ... 1144251185 and this one is more raw

I am not surprised.

Mate, the other gentlemen were being very kind and diplomatic, but someone needs to tell you straight:

It sounds terrible. It sounds awful.

It sounds like you have no idea what's going on or how to sing at all. It's not even passionate...just disturbing.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoping that this isn't a troll attempt. If it is, then you got me good.

Nothing personal against you. But the samples sounded awful. Try it an octave lower in your real voice.

Hello

Do i have a good voice to become a lead singer?

https://www.smule.com/recording/iron-ma ... 1111137790

https://www.smule.com/recording/meat-lo ... _965280916

https://www.smule.com/recording/judas-p ... 1056257131

https://www.smule.com/recording/black-s ... _904044228

https://www.smule.com/recording/meatloa ... _834294124

It's obvious you are trolling now. Please stop.

No im not trolling. Its a serious question because i think it sounds good