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Author:  BlackheartSauron [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:07 pm ]
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There's a review for Darzamat "In the Opium of Black Veil" 1997, some copypaste from lordsofmetal.nl - http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/D ... eil/11594/ - and the problem with it is, well, it's not really a review.

It doesn't contain any information about the music on this release, but rather continues the review of previous release "In the Flames of Black Art" 1996 ( http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/D ... Art/11593/ ) - also a copy-paste from lordsofmetal.nl.

The review for 1996 is quite bad IMO, but it's not bad grammar-wise - rather information-wise (I'm not entirely sure what author means there, but I think he actually calls Theatre of Tragedy "gothic/black metal" - really, gothic _black_ metal, Theatre of Tragedy? And also he says Darzamat "stole" ideas from Theatre of Tragedy, while both had debut full-lengths released in '96, so it's highly unlikely). Since it's grammar that's important to MA, not the facts ((-; , I guess that one should remain - at least it mentions something about the music (though the main complaint of the author seems to be that the music is mid-tempo - doh).

But the "review" for 1997 is just... not a review. The text just states that this is a continuation of previous material, and that it is bad and unworthy - without any reasoning behind such evaluation. Again, the grammar is fine there, so I'm not sure what you guys decide on this one, but IMO it should be nuked. It doesn't talk about the music at all - the author clearly refers to previous "review" on that matter, but I don't think it's valid to do so - the music isn't exactly the same, it's really wrong to use one review for two different releases (actually even if the music would sound _exactly_ the same to the author, he could've at least mention the aspects he evaluated). And again, previous review was far from good to begin with.

Author:  Metantoine [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:10 pm ]
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Thanks, deleted. This was the whole review, if there's others like this one, let me know. We don't allow this kind of plagiarism.

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This EP was originally released in 1998 and to quite frank...I hope this the last I will ever hear from this band. Why? Because the EP, albeit a bit more produced, in fact is a direct continuation of the old stuff and the band simply goes along where they left off. I've listened to both CDs (with a healthy dose of resistance) numerous times but I just can't figure out why Metal Mind signed this band... The entire thing is so unoriginal that it is somehow strange this band wasn't kicked back into the studio in order to come out with something proper. The ideas and such are all there on the second CD but it's still way too amateurish and boring.


(This review was originally written for www.lordsofmetal.nl and is republished with kind permission of the webmaster)

Author:  Zodijackyl [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:24 pm ]
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Track-by-track that falls into the trap of "this track is faster, this track is slower". It's also poorly written and doesn't even mention that the music on this compilation sounds completely different than what the band became known for.
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/D ... 851/Scared

The first half of this one says enough about the music, but then :wtf: Justin Bieber?
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/B ... 752/Scared

Spoiler: show
But then we come to Take It Easy, this song probably has the worst introduction to a metal song in the world. Its has a huge similarity to an introduction that Justin Bieber would have. But as it progresses it gets better, but not much. There are some decent solos, but nothing special.

The band chemistry is going straight down and first thoughts are going to be that they are more of a rock band than metal. I'm seeing them entering Spirit of Rock and leaving spirit of metal very soon. The lyrics in my opinion are very weak. So overall I wouldn't recommend getting the album, listen to an MP3 first before you are certain of getting it.

Author:  orionmetalhead [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:18 pm ]
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Ahhh, good ole Beiber. I await the day when a reference to Justin Beiber is appropriate... I will then continue to bash my skull in with a mallet.

Author:  Zodijackyl [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:29 pm ]
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Fire up the oven!
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/D ... /Disbelief

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Author:  oogboog [ Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:33 pm ]
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How did I not notice that one? I was there just last week.

Author:  Subrick [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:51 am ]
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Can we just get rid of 99% of the pre-2006 or 2007 reviews? Pretty much every review I've read from before that has been barely a paragraph, extremely general, and just crappy compared to the reviews being done nowadays.

Author:  Alhadis [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:21 am ]
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Vothana - Tiếng gọi lính vào chiến tranh
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/V ... anh/44528/

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"Pure Goat..."

... pure crap. :lol: Delete?

Author:  Zodijackyl [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:57 pm ]
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I heard this band sounds like Cannibal Corpse.
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/C ... lesh/3937/

Author:  Opus [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:32 pm ]
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Vothana again!

Trưng Trắc - Trưng Nhị
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/V ... %8B/70329/

Don't pass this one up - 100%
When you are in Minnesota, you wonder if anyone has the true spirit of black metal in them. After all this state surely has its share of poser black metal bands. You get sick of hearing about the local band "Teratism" after a while, and you wonder what the fuck people see in them. Then you got a band like Vothana. Who are nothing short of extreme black metal genius. When I first popped this demo into my cassette player I was in awe. The sounds are similar to an early Burzum/Abigor rawness to them. When you listen to the tracks through entirely, you get the feeling that this "Lord Nebulah" is in extreme agony and misery. Side B, only has two tracks and that alone is worth the 3 dollars I paid for it. This demo is strictly limited to 100 copies and it was damn well worth every cent! I would have gladly paid more for it. Pinning down the sounds of this demo is not an easy task. One of the tracks consists of what I thought was the Vietnamese national anthem, and I could be wrong, accompanied by an extremely melancholy guitar sound, this follows into an extremely high pitched hurricane of despair,anger,and hatred. If I could give this demo a better review I would, but trust me. If you are someone that aches for something from the heart of Vietnam and Hell, then you would be a FOOL to pass this one up! Sad,Isolated,Angry,Amazing. Just believe.
xorthen, August 17th, 2005

These reviews must have been written by the same person (the band member himself?)
Vothana seems to be one hell of a band, 100% all around. Except for that one 0% review that is.

Author:  Zodijackyl [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:04 pm ]
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Opus wrote:
These reviews must have been written by the same person (the band member himself?)
Vothana seems to be one hell of a band, 100% all around. Except for that one 0% review that is.


:lol:

Vothana+fans are pissy about the music being reviewed, apparently the dude and his disciples don't like it to be reviewed. I've gotten some hate mail about it. There's actually some good music there, but it's wildly inconsistent and tends to get into really long, boring stretches that are compounded by the production being hit or miss, sometimes fitting the feel of the music well, sometimes not at all. I can understand scoring some of the music very high, but not that one.

Author:  Subrick [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:13 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/G ... etal_bryan

He even admits in the opening sentence that he could write a review of suitable length and description, but won't. Very general, very short, and just seems like a review from 2003 that managed to sneak its way into 2011.

Author:  OzzyApu [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:18 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/C ... ll_In_Vain

Doesn't do a good job of describing the music. Mentions that it's the same Catamenia and leaves it at that. He mentions vocal styles and riffs but uses broad as fuck terms like "good" more than actual description.

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Riffs are really good... Drumming is also solid and as I said before, a bit slower... in a bad way. Then we have the vocals... Screams are great, the best of the three. Growls are very nice too, maybe a bit out of the place in sometimes... Cleans are also very good...

You get what I mean.

Author:  Zodijackyl [ Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:21 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/A ... orpseBelch

Technical and melodic never go together. It's fast and has dual harmonies. That's two thirds of the review there, but this section on the drums is really bad.

The drummer also has a lot of flavor and changes up the beat quite a bit. There are a lot of blast beats as well as double bass playing. An odd thing to mention is that he seems to use two or three snare drums, mainly one but switches to another for certain parts. During some of the blasts he'll use a more high-pitched snare which is kind of irritating, but not really a big deal as he hardly ever uses it.

He uses one snare drum, those other drums that he runs down during the fills are toms. There is only one snare drum in his kit, maybe he's mixing up the blasts with a ride cymbal and the hi-hat?

This one's pretty bad too.
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/A ... 8061/asmox

I'm not sure on this one, worth taking a look at.
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/A ... 1/danyates

Author:  OzzyApu [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:46 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/N ... 5/Arboreal

I hate me some Nile, too, but this guy sucks. Takes way too much space attacking Karl Sanders himself (lots of talk about food).

Talks about how boring the album is, gets some vocal description in the middle (third) paragraph ["verge on that awful "inhaled sound" a lot. Pretty indecipherable most of the time" being the only part], and talks about lack of exotic instruments.

Seems to me like the guy was reaching too far and trying too hard to hate the album. Fails to mention the key instruments like the drumming (aside from saying it's mechanical), fails to understand that the "egyptian" aspect he wanted was also in the riffs and tonality (VERY easy to hear that) but like a child wants it so apparent so he doesn't have to dig 2 inches for it, and fails to actually understand the album beyond 1 sitting.

Author:  xexyzl [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:14 pm ]
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Zodijackyl wrote:
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This is an album for everybody that thinks At the Gates is too slow
Wait, what?

Author:  Radagast [ Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:58 pm ]
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The Corpsefucking Art, Vothana and the first two Arsis reviews are all goners. I'm a bit torn on the third Arsis review, it's bare bones to say the least but probably just good enough to stay.

The Nile review is pretty arsey, but I think the reviewer does a decent enough job of describing what he doesn't like about the music in between all the snarking.

Author:  Dave_o_rama [ Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:47 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Mourning_Beloveth...grimdoom

This review only covers the Lunar Gate side of the split, and all I got out of that was that the song had bad production and vocals.

Author:  MalignantThrone [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:04 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/H ... ses_Priced

A funny review, for sure, but rather devoid of musical description.

Author:  GuntherTheUndying [ Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:43 pm ]
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Looks fine to me.

Author:  Ilwhyan [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:43 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/L ... /GoliathJT

Says extremely little about the album that is worthwhile in terms of description. It would be poor even for an amazon review. It gives a completely wrong idea of the album, aswell.

Author:  Zodijackyl [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:11 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/M ... ld_Colours

This line made me laugh.

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Opener ' Pauper of souls' is a thunderous doomy warrior song, powerful clean vocals roar over the top of a big fuck off crashing doom laden riff full of celtic passion, believe me this song will have you punching the air in no time!

Author:  Xlxlx [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:25 pm ]
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Punching..... The air? What, you will start a hardcore dance or something similar?

Author:  ralfikk123 [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:30 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/B ... Xecutioner

Did this guy make a mistake when putting in the rating score?

Author:  oogboog [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:07 pm ]
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^Don't think that would be worthy of deletion, though. You could try asking the user.

Author:  hey [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:14 pm ]
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This review is rather short though the author does kind of describe the music. It does, however, come off as extremely groan-worthy to me.

Author:  Obscurum [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:18 pm ]
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:thumbsdown:

EDIT: Okay, I thought that would work ...

Author:  Zodijackyl [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:53 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/V ... DemonFeces
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/M ... DemonFeces

Author:  Goldblaze [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:11 am ]
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There are, actually, a lot of reviews here by long-time writers that are written brilliantly, but fail to actually describe the album. Now, out of respect, I won't point fingers, but some of them really tell nothing music-wise.

Author:  Pr0nogo [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:02 am ]
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If they don't accurately describe the music, should they not be excised as per MA's new standards?

Author:  Azmodes [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:32 am ]
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Goldblaze wrote:
There are, actually, a lot of reviews here by long-time writers that are written brilliantly, but fail to actually describe the album. Now, out of respect, I won't point fingers, but some of them really tell nothing music-wise.

Great post. If you know of any delete-worthy material, post it here please, but saying vague stuff like that, probably just to stir things up, is useless. So yes, please do point fingers, that's what this thread is for.

Author:  oneyoudontknow [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:03 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/W ... Leperjesus

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I heard this demo and I saw the guys live and they are just great. The song has all the characteristics of a perfect death/thrash song. The riffs are just great, and there is a fantastic oriental melody at the end of the guitar solo. I could say that they remind me of Sepultura, Obituary and Bolt Thrower. The singer has a great death metal voice, and the rhythm section has done perfect work. I hope they will release more songs in the future.


that is a bit short, or?

Author:  Ilwhyan [ Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:27 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/S ... 3109/Snxke

Allmusic styled quasi-description. Doesn't say much at all, and is rendered obsolete by newer reviews.

Author:  Alhadis [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:09 am ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/V ... deofmordor

I wouldn't be giving that reviewer an E for effort.

Author:  Turner [ Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:33 am ]
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Heh, that's a pretty borderline-unintelligible load of crap... but I dunno, it's not like the goregrind genre really deserves reviews that say anything more than "the fat redneck that made this album used a pirated version of fruityloops, he wears cargo shorts and trucker caps, and says 'that's fuckin brutal, dude' a lot"

Author:  Pr0nogo [ Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:49 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/T ... ublinboyo8

This review holds little to no description of the music, and leaves the reader with the assumption that the backing vocalist did all the growled vocals. It also uses acronyms... He really couldn't be bothered to type out 'drum & bass'?

Author:  Subrick [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:28 am ]
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Pr0nogo wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/The_Project_Hate_MCMXCIX/Armageddon_March_Eternal_%28Symphonies_of_Slit_Wrists%29/80080/dublinboyo8

This review holds little to no description of the music, and leaves the reader with the assumption that the backing vocalist did all the growled vocals. It also uses acronyms... He really couldn't be bothered to type out 'drum & bass'?


Initialism, not acronym.

Youtube: show

Author:  xThe__Wizard [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:56 pm ]
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This should not exist.
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This album is a complete antidote to "nu metal," and indeed yet another classic for the British doom band.


Don't see how this is helpful or descriptive at all. A lot of things are better then nu-metal. Not a single sentence about the music other then that its not nu-metal. Not very helpful to someone who has never heard Cathedral.

Author:  Metantoine [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:01 pm ]
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Indeed, pretty shit. I'll look into their other reviews. Thanks.

Author:  OzzyApu [ Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:42 pm ]
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http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/H ... /BaronVonK

This review sucks.

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Marginal - 61%

No matter how many times I listen to this album, I fail to see what they hype about it is. It starts out promising with some interesting leads into Hypnotized, but once the song starts up and they set the pace for what's to come later, some fairly vanilla thrash.

I think about the best feature of this album is are the leads peppered throughout the songs. They're the one thing that occasionally makes my ears perk up and take notice, but once the lead is over, I find it hard to pay attention.

Vocalist David Godfrey is a very pleasant sounding singer, remincient of Geoff Tate (whom I am a huge fan of), but his vocal melodies lack variety and a good sense of meter. I also think he's somewhat inapropriate for the music, he's fairly melodic and has almost no rough edge, while the music it's self is thrashy and gruff, so the two almost sound seperate at times.

Probably the hilight song of the album is their cover of Kill The King, but even still, I'd much rather listen to the original.

All in all, I would not reccomend this album if you have simmilar tastes to me, but probably reccomend it if you're just looking for something to headbang to.
- BaronVonK, April 16th, 2003


You cannot keep this review after opening this spoiler box.
Spoiler: show
That's the entire thing, and only that middle paragraph has any real description. Rest is fluff, and yes those are 1 sentence paragraphs.
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I fail to see what they hype about it is
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the best feature of this album is are the leads
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remincient of Geoff Tate
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he's somewhat inapropriate for the music
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the music it's self
:annoyed:
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sound seperate at times.
:cry:
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Probably the hilight song
:fuck:
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I would not reccomend this album if you have simmilar tastes to me, but probably reccomend it
:crash:

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