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cepit
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:46 am 
 

Just want to know the blacklist notes on Revenge the Fate from Indonesia. Can someone tell me?
Thanks.
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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:00 am 
 

cepit wrote:
Just want to know the blacklist notes on Revenge the Fate from Indonesia. Can someone tell me?
Thanks.

-core/Djent.

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Bonziepsycho
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:25 pm 
 

Is the new Wilderness Dream album acceptable Crossover? Their previous album is much more Hardcore influenced, but their new album has recently dropped and also in a physical format.

https://wildernessdream.bandcamp.com/al ... lysis-rise
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:03 am 
 

The band Mud Digger from France has been rejected, this is death metal with hardcore influences : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbLhOQvzOzo
I don't understand this rejction.

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NARAKU666
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:38 am 
 

Hey guys i wanted to know why Spire (Russia) is blacklisted soundslike legit folk metal to me in their second release.

https://spirefolk.bandcamp.com/album/tume-veel
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PDS
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:41 am 
 

NARAKU666 wrote:
Hey guys i wanted to know why Spire (Russia) is blacklisted soundslike legit folk metal to me in their second release.

https://spirefolk.bandcamp.com/album/tume-veel


They were blacklisted for being basically 1:1 covers of Medieval songs. We do allow some leniency with folk songs but the band has to well... do more with it.
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NARAKU666
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:57 am 
 

PDS wrote:
NARAKU666 wrote:
Hey guys i wanted to know why Spire (Russia) is blacklisted soundslike legit folk metal to me in their second release.

https://spirefolk.bandcamp.com/album/tume-veel


They were blacklisted for being basically 1:1 covers of Medieval songs. We do allow some leniency with folk songs but the band has to well... do more with it.


Are those traditional songs? i had no idea. good toknow
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:04 pm 
 

Axel666MoWi wrote:
The band Mud Digger from France has been rejected, this is death metal with hardcore influences : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbLhOQvzOzo
I don't understand this rejction.


While I agree there is death metal elements that song is rather ambiguous. Can you provide some more samples?
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:07 pm 
 

Yeah, I have the CD, I will try to upload them.

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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:36 pm 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bIqDJW ... e=youtu.be
So there is another track from their EP, I don't know the title, this is the first track of my CD but the name is "Chainsaw Revenge".
The track that I have sent is also named chainsaw revenge on youtube. Anyway...

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:43 pm 
 

Well i certainly don't need to hear the same song again. Unless you can provide some new stuff for us to listen to I'm gonna side with the rejection.
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:52 pm 
 

This is not the same song, there is an error, in the cd or in the official youtube channel of the band. But those song are different.

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:57 pm 
 

Right, well, here's the situation; I've listened to what I could find on youtube. So from that we have two deathcore songs off of a different release, one ambiguous song and and one seemingly acceptable song off of this release you're working on. That's not gonna be enough. We'll need the full album for review.
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:02 pm 
 

Ok, I will upload the full EP asap.
Thanks

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robmalcoms7
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:20 pm 
 

Hello, my name is Robert, I am the guitarrist of the band Aeon Veil (El Salvador, deathcore) and I was trying to create the profile for it, but for some reason there was an error saying it has been blacklisted, I would like to know if there is something that can be done so my band can have a profile in this page, thanks!

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:38 pm 
 

Band is primarily core, i.e. not metal enough. Any releases in the last year?

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robmalcoms7
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:42 pm 
 

Yes, we have two EP's (Nacer Crecer Morir April 2016, and El Ilusionista October 2016) available in all music platforms (including Spotify and deezer), we move under the metal scene in the country, not actually in the hardcore scene, and though the genre might be labelled as deathcore, it sounds very much like technical death metal/deathcore. and there is another very famous band in this website from our same country and genre that has their profile here too, i just to spread the music as much as i can, but if its not possible i totally understand, thanks!

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:46 pm 
 

robmalcoms7 wrote:
there is another very famous band in this website from our same country and genre that has their profile here too,


5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:
1) We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar. And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead.
2) Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
3) Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1).
4) Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".

Also "moving under the metal scene" means nothing regarding inclusion here, only the music does. Perhaps the 2016 October EP may be metal enough. If so we can overturn the blacklisting.
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robmalcoms7
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:48 pm 
 

Thank you very much, I apologize I didnt follow one rule, please check it out thanks !

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cranial crusher
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:51 pm 
 

cranialcrusherabc wrote:

Maybe it is worth a listen to their new album "Jahaz":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0pw5Rb2cN8


It's been quite a while and I got no response on this. Could someone please reevaluate the band Octopus based on their new album?
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ntghwlk
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:47 pm 
 

Hello again!

Obsidian Mantra was rejected some time ago, for lack of metal riffs. We released (also in a physical version) a first full-length album recently, full-stream here: http://obsidianmantra.bandcamp.com/

I'd be grateful if you find some time for checking it.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:12 am 
 

ntghwlk wrote:
Hello again!

Obsidian Mantra was rejected some time ago, for lack of metal riffs. We released (also in a physical version) a first full-length album recently, full-stream here: http://obsidianmantra.bandcamp.com/

I'd be grateful if you find some time for checking it.

Sounds like djent to me. You guys need to listen to actual death/doom if you think those are the roots of your sound.
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ntghwlk
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:03 am 
 

Metantoine wrote:
ntghwlk wrote:
Hello again!

Obsidian Mantra was rejected some time ago, for lack of metal riffs. We released (also in a physical version) a first full-length album recently, full-stream here: http://obsidianmantra.bandcamp.com/

I'd be grateful if you find some time for checking it.

Sounds like djent to me. You guys need to listen to actual death/doom if you think those are the roots of your sound.

See your point. But what about, to not look far, even the beggining of 7th or 8th track? Don't want to be annoying and argue, but overall I don't consider this album as typical djent at all. Thank you anyway.

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terrormyeyes
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:45 am 
 

Sorgelig still pending approval since 13/7.

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Emptiness Cycle
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:56 am 
 

terrormyeyes wrote:
Sorgelig still pending approval since 13/7.


We're aware. There's a lot of stuff to do.

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LeeroyKincaid
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:21 pm 
 

Why is Tower of Babel (US) blacklisted? Is somebody really thinking it's not metal enough (?!) or is there some other reason?

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sdarth
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:50 pm 
 

Hello,

Regarding the denial of Gravstenad, here are some links to prove our valid release.
Gravstenad https://imgur.com/a/wb4Et
https://gravstenad.bandcamp.com/releases
https://open.spotify.com/artist/6eX1bXQe6Yw6pFpczhU6lu

Best regards,

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:22 pm 
 

LeeroyKincaid wrote:
Why is Tower of Babel (US) blacklisted? Is somebody really thinking it's not metal enough (?!) or is there some other reason?


Blacklisted in 2015 for not being predominantly metal.

sdarth wrote:
Hello,

Regarding the denial of Gravstenad, here are some links to prove our valid release.
Gravstenad https://imgur.com/a/wb4Et
https://gravstenad.bandcamp.com/releases
https://open.spotify.com/artist/6eX1bXQe6Yw6pFpczhU6lu

Best regards,

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Looks good, please put that in the "submission notes" field and resubmit.

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LeeroyKincaid
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:09 am 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
LeeroyKincaid wrote:
Why is Tower of Babel (US) blacklisted? Is somebody really thinking it's not metal enough (?!) or is there some other reason?


Blacklisted in 2015 for not being predominantly metal.




That's not the same band then because this one (with Joe Stump) recently formed and it's only release is 2017. In 2015. it didn't exist.
It has some hard rock influences on a track or two but it's definitely metal and belongs here.
Here's the trailer so hear for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_AmPJMMO14

Please unblock it.

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YBergen
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:27 am 
 

Why was Blood From The Soul (UK) is blacklisted? Industrial Metal with Hardcore influences.

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Kjetter
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:48 am 
 

YBergen wrote:
Why was Blood From The Soul (UK) is blacklisted? Industrial Metal with Hardcore influences.


Blacklisted as industrial hardcore.

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3465429654
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:55 am 
 

I tried to submit a band called "Hich" back in 2016 when they released them first album and the band gets into the blacklist cause genre of that album was ambient.

They released two more albums one is doom metal and another is black metal.

This is the link of them last (black metal) album which called "Into the battle of ego and annihilation":

https://hichofficial.bandcamp.com/album ... nihilation

And as i saw on them facebook and you can see in the link below, They released this album physically on DVDs too.

https://ibb.co/fff8wQ

But they are still in blacklist. please check this out.

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NARAKU666
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:00 am 
 

Hey guys why Gukumatz (Mexico) is blacklisted? the music is more black/death than any other thing and the demo is long enough for a digital release (they even have a tape version)

https://gucumatzmmxvii.bandcamp.com/album/tezcatlipoca
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:01 pm 
 

NARAKU666 wrote:
Hey guys why Gukumatz (Mexico) is blacklisted? the music is more black/death than any other thing and the demo is long enough for a digital release (they even have a tape version

I would have expected a regular who knows the "Dos and Don'ts" in the site to have searched in the thread for a reason. And let me tell you, there are a lot of them.
First of all, it is not a Metal band. It's predominantly folk/ambient. Every release from early-to-mid 2016 back has been assessed already, so this September 2012 release (which was properly assessed and deemed to be not Metal by several mods) is not gonna make it. The photo of the tape he used as proof of physical release (also from September 2012) was a forgery. And a terribly obvious one. The band changed its name from "Gucumatz" to "Gukumatz" in order to circumvent the blacklist (using the previous releases under the C name which were already unacceptable as proof). So, in short, ambient, with attempted forged proof of physical release, and a name change to successfully evade the blacklist.

Please use the search function next time.
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xynobys
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:02 pm 
 

Hello - can someone please tell me why the band 夢遊病者 (Sleepwalker ) can not be added?

https://vnkv.bandcamp.com

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:03 pm 
 

LeeroyKincaid wrote:
Zodijackyl wrote:
Blacklisted in 2015 for not being predominantly metal.




That's not the same band then because this one (with Joe Stump) recently formed and it's only release is 2017. In 2015. it didn't exist.
It has some hard rock influences on a track or two but it's definitely metal and belongs here.
Here's the trailer so hear for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_AmPJMMO14

Please unblock it.


Tower of Babel has been whitelisted, you can submit.

xynobys wrote:
Hello - can someone please tell me why the band 夢遊病者 (Sleepwalker ) can not be added?

https://vnkv.bandcamp.com

Thanks!


Ambient/drone/noise, not metal.

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xynobys
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:14 pm 
 

Hello, thanks for the reply.
Sleepwalkers is a psychedelic black metal band. there are blast beats and all. production is lo-fi , but this is not "drone" at all....



xynobys wrote:
Hello - can someone please tell me why the band 夢遊病者 (Sleepwalker ) can not be added?

https://vnkv.bandcamp.com

Thanks!


Ambient/drone/noise, not metal.[/quote]

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:54 pm 
 

3465429654 wrote:
I tried to submit a band called "Hich" back in 2016 when they released them first album and the band gets into the blacklist cause genre of that album was ambient.

They released two more albums one is doom metal and another is black metal.

This is the link of them last (black metal) album which called "Into the battle of ego and annihilation":

https://hichofficial.bandcamp.com/album ... nihilation

And as i saw on them facebook and you can see in the link below, They released this album physically on DVDs too.

https://ibb.co/fff8wQ

But they are still in blacklist. please check this out.

The second album is still predominantly ambient, but the last albums may be Metal enough. Whitelisted.
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joaonvno2009
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:13 am 
 

There is a portuguese band that as been black listed for a few years because they were not metal enough. This year they released a new album which is "very metal" with a lot of thrash metal riffs and a few solos.

The band is Miss Cadaver and you can ear their new album here: https://misscadaver.bandcamp.com/album/ ... tvm-raivus

Is it metal enough to be on Metal Archives? If so, I would like to had them on metal archives, because I always thought they were more metal than some bands that are here and they deserve to be here because it's one of the most important Metal/Punk acts in the portuguese underground scene.

The problem always seem to be their sound which was considered more Punk than Metal, but now they are really more Thrash Metal than Punk.

Their first album from 2011: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An_9GQuvtBo
EP 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbr6kUyS2w
Second album 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlMukhug6qk

Is it possible to un-blacklist them and add them to MA?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:51 pm 
 

joaonvno2009 wrote:
There is a portuguese band that as been black listed for a few years because they were not metal enough. This year they released a new album which is "very metal" with a lot of thrash metal riffs and a few solos.

The band is Miss Cadaver and you can ear their new album here: https://misscadaver.bandcamp.com/album/ ... tvm-raivus

Is it metal enough to be on Metal Archives? If so, I would like to had them on metal archives, because I always thought they were more metal than some bands that are here and they deserve to be here because it's one of the most important Metal/Punk acts in the portuguese underground scene.

The problem always seem to be their sound which was considered more Punk than Metal, but now they are really more Thrash Metal than Punk.

Their first album from 2011: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An_9GQuvtBo
EP 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbr6kUyS2w
Second album 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlMukhug6qk

Is it possible to un-blacklist them and add them to MA?


This new album isn't predominantly metal, though there's some metal in there. Sounds like some variation of hardcore punk.

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