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andrewkassl
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:54 pm 
 

I'm having a hard time listing my band "Blackest" because apparently we were Blacklisted although there is another band from Alabama with the same name. Any help here would be appreciated.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:24 pm 
 

andrewkassl wrote:
I'm having a hard time listing my band "Blackest" because apparently we were Blacklisted although there is another band from Alabama with the same name. Any help here would be appreciated.

The blacklisting is for a NYHC band of that same name. We're gonna need more info about your band to make a decision about the blacklisting, in case it's not the same band.
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andrewkassl
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:42 pm 
 

No problem. My name is Andrew Kassl by the way in case you need to check it against the band.

Here's a link to our bandcamp;

https://blackestmusic.bandcamp.com/

There are also multiple articles / videos that have been published about us since 2014

http://www.metalinjection.net/bandcamp-buried-treasure/new-yorks-blackest-will-thrash-your-eardrums

http://www.metalinjection.net/video/blackest-live-at-the-acheron-aug-20th-2015

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/high-on-fire-bl/

Link to a show we are playing with Sect in two weeks;

https://www.facebook.com/events/1952562821733711/

Thanks and let me know if this should suffice.


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andrewkassl wrote:
I'm having a hard time listing my band "Blackest" because apparently we were Blacklisted although there is another band from Alabama with the same name. Any help here would be appreciated.

The blacklisting is for a NYHC band of that same name. We're gonna need more info about your band to make a decision about the blacklisting, in case it's not the same band.

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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:08 pm 
 

The Blackest band on the blacklist is your band. It was submitted back in 2013 off the EP and determined to be too based in hardcore for the site. Based on looking at it now, it also doesn't seem you have what the site would consider a valid release either (for something that short, you'd need a physical release - which you may have but at first glance it doesn't seem like it...)
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Amber Gray
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:28 pm 
 

How come Coma Cluster Void don't have a page here?
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andrewkassl
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:49 pm 
 

Odd considering we've been compared to be a mix of both Darkthrone and Trap Them whom are both bands listed on your site. Check the link.

http://www.metalinjection.net/bandcamp-buried-treasure/new-yorks-blackest-will-thrash-your-eardrums

Yes, and while we do have an EP's worth of material (5 songs) and a track (1 single) we did for Converse Rubber Tracks. I'm not sure what you guys consider a full length considering the other Blackest on this site has an album listed as Full Length that is only listed as six songs.

We've gotten considerably more coverage than the other Blackest. The band hasn't even played a live show. Not to rub it in but we've toured with High on Fire.

We also have a new full length coming out soon. Just trying to state our case comparatively to this other band whom has the same name as us and had done significantly less.

Also, If this song isn't metal than I guess I don't know what metal is.

https://blackestmusic.bandcamp.com/track/the-parish


theunrelentingattack wrote:
The Blackest band on the blacklist is your band. It was submitted back in 2013 off the EP and determined to be too based in hardcore for the site. Based on looking at it now, it also doesn't seem you have what the site would consider a valid release either (for something that short, you'd need a physical release - which you may have but at first glance it doesn't seem like it...)

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:54 pm 
 

5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:
1) We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar. And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead.
2) Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
3) Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1). To be clear, nobody thinks that we'd otherwise be doomed to ride into fallacy territory and in danger of including BB King or whatever, but we are quite strict about keeping the database focussed.
4) Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:33 am 
 

Also, the number of tracks is irrelevant, when we talk about length we're actually talking about run time. A single track demo that's 34 minutes long is perfectly acceptable.


Amber Gray wrote:
How come Coma Cluster Void don't have a page here?



https://www.metal-archives.com/board/search.php
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NegativeHate
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:39 am 
 

The band called Snjór from France is blacklisted.
The first demo wasn't really Metal but the new EP is going through a Post Metal thing. It's released by Depressive Illusions Records on tape and CD-r, here's the link : http://depressiveillusions.com/items/cd ... -maladives

Thanks.

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Daven
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:49 am 
 

Hello, I wanted to submit a band called Adonis Muerto from Guatemala but it displays a message saying that it is blacklisted. Now Ive read the first post and the band is in order to be taken into account. Is there a an additional reason for the blacklisting? The band plays a mixture between doom metal and sludgem has official releases, its in a local label and have physical copies of its cd's.

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:59 pm 
 

Daven wrote:
Hello, I wanted to submit a band called Adonis Muerto from Guatemala but it displays a message saying that it is blacklisted. Now Ive read the first post and the band is in order to be taken into account. Is there a an additional reason for the blacklisting? The band plays a mixture between doom metal and sludgem has official releases, its in a local label and have physical copies of its cd's.


Not metal from May 2015. If there's new material give us a link.
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NegativeHate
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:35 pm 
 

Just saw that I haven't post the link to Snjór's new release. Here's the bandcamp, sorry for the repost.

https://snjor.bandcamp.com/album/les-fleurs-maladives

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GuardAwakening
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:17 pm 
 

Why is Purulence blacklisted?

It's just typical wigger slam, this is by no means something that should be blacklisted

They JUST released a album onto Bandcamp surpassing 20 minutes (a valid digital release) so I am requesting to get these guys whitelisted so I can add them to the queue

Here is the album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HIntJOmqfg

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:21 pm 
 

I'm going to sleep but I'll listen in the morning. Blacklisted for not being metal in February, so is this new?

Edit: whitelisted.
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NegativeHate
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:34 pm 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
I'm going to sleep but I'll listen in the morning. Blacklisted for not being metal in February, so is this new?

Edit: whitelisted.



The EP of Snjór was released on July so yeah, new stuff. Still blacklisted though ? Or wasn't the message for me ?

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Erosion of Humanity
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Not for you, it was for guard awakening.
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NegativeHate
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:03 pm 
 

Oh sorry then. Snjór still not enough metal?

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:05 pm 
 

No clue, i haven't checked it. I only listened to the his inquiry cause it was slam.
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Unliving God
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:56 pm 
 

The Organ exhibition(from South Korean,) why this band blacklisted?

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:57 pm 
 

Primarily noise.
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:15 pm 
 

NegativeHate wrote:
Oh sorry then. Snjór still not enough metal?

Blacklisted in June for being prediominantly an assortment of other, non-metal things, with very little focus on Black Metal. Have they released anything since?
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Mcniggleston
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:51 pm 
 

Posting about Nupraptor, it was rejected because the release was not out yet, but it released today as a physcial product. Here's the release ad from the label, released today 11-29-17:

https://www.facebook.com/ShadowKingdomR ... =3&theater

Thanks, and sorry for accidentally hitting resubmit early...misclicked!

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lhtfu13
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:46 am 
 

hello, can i unblacklist digothal? (i thought the same question from 3 weeks ago went unnoticed)

if digital release doesnt count, here some of physical release
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j13uhpK4e7g/ ... cintai.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3Y-eXtbprsk/ ... Balone.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kBbRuRLQcRI/ ... gothal.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k3wMLHgi3Rc/ ... gothal.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rtx4l4xN23I/ ... gothal.jpg

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:20 am 
 

Mcniggleston wrote:
Posting about Nupraptor, it was rejected because the release was not out yet, but it released today as a physcial product. Here's the release ad from the label, released today 11-29-17:

https://www.facebook.com/ShadowKingdomR ... =3&theater

Thanks, and sorry for accidentally hitting resubmit early...misclicked!

Nupraptor was just approved :wink:

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Harris 666
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:22 am 
 

Hello Team,
the post with the Band BLACK BALLOON from Aachen/ Germany is not true und was made of a 'fan'. His Name is Stephan Münster and was neverever in our our Band. Please delete this- so I can make the TRUE posting. Thank you in advance and for all the work you do for us!
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Grom14
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:16 am 
 

Твердыня Чернъ was rejected, while it actually is a real project and CD-R exists:
Spoiler: show
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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:24 am 
 

Grom14 wrote:
Твердыня Чернъ was rejected, while it actually is a real project and CD-R exists:


A few copies distributed to friends is not considered a valid release for the site though. So the rejection is correct in that there's no valid release.
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theunrelentingattack
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:27 am 
 

Harris 666 wrote:
Hello Team,
the post with the Band BLACK BALLOON from Aachen/ Germany is not true und was made of a 'fan'. His Name is Stephan Münster and was neverever in our our Band. Please delete this- so I can make the TRUE posting. Thank you in advance and for all the work you do for us!
Harris


We don't delete a profile if the band exists. If there are problems, there's a report an error button in the upper right corner. Use it to file a report with the errors and show proof. "I'm in the band' is not proof as many many bands try to whitewash their history.
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EpicDismemberment
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:40 am 
 

Hi,
Sleuthfoot from Arkansas, this band was rejected previously by the demodded Emptiness Cycle. I still think it predominantly metal enough to be listed on here. I'd like to hear the opinion from others mod. Thanks

https://sleuthfoot.bandcamp.com/releases

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:07 am 
 

EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi,
Sleuthfoot from Arkansas, this band was rejected previously by the demodded Emptiness Cycle. I still think it predominantly metal enough to be listed on here. I'd like to hear the opinion from others mod. Thanks

https://sleuthfoot.bandcamp.com/releases

This needs to be properly assessed. EpicDismemberment, please resubmit.

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EpicDismemberment
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:15 am 
 

Midnight Rider wrote:
EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi,
Sleuthfoot from Arkansas, this band was rejected previously by the demodded Emptiness Cycle. I still think it predominantly metal enough to be listed on here. I'd like to hear the opinion from others mod. Thanks

https://sleuthfoot.bandcamp.com/releases

This needs to be properly assessed. EpicDismemberment, please resubmit.


Thanks, already in the queue.

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NoisegrinderCR
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:29 am 
 

My band PICHA has been blacklisted for a while, and we are aware that we were not metal during our first demos, we used to play grind noise.

Now we have released a new album (digital format ~33 mins ) and we shifted our genre towards a more metal sound we play goregrind/grindcore/pornogore.

Maybe with this release we can be released from the blacklist, please check it out.

https://picha.bandcamp.com/album/la-ven ... -carepicha

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MarBvH
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:18 am 
 

Dear all,

I have added the band "Vakarian" yesterday, and it was rejected because it was not metal. I must say I was quite surprised with this decision, since the music of the band is clearly metal. They use guttural vocals, saturated metal riffs and double kick, working with a thick Black/Doom Metal atmosphere.

If you listen to the song "Indoctrinate", you have a clearly Black Metal sound mixed with other influences (bits of Death, bits of other stuff). If you listen to "The Reapers Are Here!", you have a sound between Black Metal and Doom metal. The song "Metro" ad "Azathoth" are more difficult to lablel, but the guitar riffs and drums are metal as well.

The only song that is not metal in your strict sense, is "Dark Prayer". That one is clearly of something else. But many metal bands have added non-metal songs on their releases.

I would like to kindly ask you to reconsider, and listen to the songs "Indoctrinate" and "The Reapers Are Here!". It will explain why I submitted this band, that I think belongs on this site.

Thank you very much for your time.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:19 am 
 

It struck me as considerably more atmosphere than metal, hardly any riffs to speak of. Another moderator came to the same conclusion.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:02 am 
 

@TUA: Why was this deemed unacceptable digitally? Doesn't it meet the criteria of shorter digital releases? Professional production, cover art, availability on various digital outlets, etc. Even the single has its own cover art.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arcsin/3540432787
https://arcsinband.bandcamp.com/
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lhtfu13
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:55 am 
 

hello, why i didnt get the answer for my question?

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Antioch wrote:
@TUA: Why was this deemed unacceptable digitally? Doesn't it meet the criteria of shorter digital releases? Professional production, cover art, availability on various digital outlets, etc. Even the single has its own cover art.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Arcsin/3540432787
https://arcsinband.bandcamp.com/


16 minutes is just too short based on our rules.
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I see. I must've not been paying much attention, then. Thanks for the reply.
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baz93
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Why is Immemorial (Finland) rejected?

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MorbidEngel
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:40 am 
 

I'm fully aware of why Meyhnach is blacklisted (I'm told not metal based on the samples), so I found as much as I could of the album on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7O96BCr9I Non Omnis Moriar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yEaZOZSZsI Nocturnal Caravan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4KjMbZUjUQ Psy Low
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibP9AmNrxQ Tarred Orchid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA7zbh1oe4A In My Nightmares Circus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTPKNGXR14 The Gutters Underneath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4hiQjvnuo Alcohonaut Diary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5eK6nbGe8 Moonshine Beam

I omitted Cenobites and On the Eternal Sea as those are far more ambient. If it matters, the thin static is actually a guitar. It's a horrendous tone, I know. If it's still not enough, then that's fine.
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