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TheStormIRide
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:01 am 
 

Wilytank wrote:
I want to bring up the Czech band Trist. They're listed as "Doom/Black", but I can't hear any doom metal elements anywhere. It's straight depressive black metal. Just very monotonous like. Or is there some crucial material that I'm missing?


Everything I've ever listened to from Trist has been DBM, so I support this switch. That being said, I'll wait in case anyone is able to make a case for the current tag.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:21 am 
 

I've gone through most of the discography and I agree, certainly no doom to be found. I'll also add "Ambient" since one full-length is entirely that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:18 pm 
 

Savage Circus is currently listed as "Power Metal/Melodic Speed Metal", but I don't really hear any extra melody than what is usually in power/speed metal, so I think it should be changed to just "Power/Speed Metal". I know comparing bands is looked down upon, but Dreamland Manor sounds EXACTLY like Blind Guardian + Iron Savior (as to be expected). Even if the genre is not changed, the extra "Metal" should be removed.

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Simplified.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:27 am 
 

Midnight Rider wrote:
Diamhea wrote:
Cross posting from report queue; apparently this band's tags are way off: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/v ... 1/show/all

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/He ... ence/85024

Hertz and Silence: You! Machine / Bio]Un[Logical

First one it's like a cross between Burn My Eyes & Chaos A.D.
Bio]Un[Logical adds nü-metal to the groovy sound.

Perhaps Groove Metal (early), Nu-Metal (later) fits?

Changed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:14 am 
 

I saw Scar of the Sun live on the Firewind tour a while back, had never heard/seen them before... they struck me as "wimpy" but competent gothic metal, a bit proggy, very pretentious... m-a lists them as "Gothic/Doom Metal with Death Influences", which I can't get my head around. I finally listened to their debut today: https://scarofthesun.bandcamp.com/ and it's like depeche mode meets paradise lost. I don't hear any doom whatsoever, and the only "death influences" are some (very limited) growls. the second album is a little more catchy and at times heavy, but still gothic metal without much of a deviation...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:05 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Changed.

I knew that was gonna work. Thanks Az! :thumbsup:

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:38 pm 
 

I'm hearing lots of melodic black metal & black/thrash riffs in Vampire's latest album "With Primeval Force":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzF397YCpiU (0:00), (1:03)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yYBf7V9bA (1:41)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4hKyxz2064 (0:00), (1:41), (1:51)

Maybe it's worth enough to add it to their genre?

"Blackened Death/Thrash Metal" or
"Death/Thrash Metal with Black Metal Elements/influences"

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:35 pm 
 

Midnight Rider wrote:
Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Rest in Peace is listed as Technical Speed Metal, but I think there is enough thrash metal to add it to their genre, making it Technical Speed/Thrash Metal.

Their demo Inner Scream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxpRgQSvg8k

I second this, but also think that "Technical Thrash Metal" describe their genre even better.
This sounds a lot like the Artillery/Watchtower most technical albums.
The fast rhythms of speed metal are entirely absent, as most of their music are mid-tempo thrash breaks/riffs with clean vocals.

Bumping this again.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:35 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Engine/5629 may feature half of Fates Warning, but they're not really Progressive Metal. I'd say Groove Metal/Rock, but judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 37BEF6CB59
and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... H-dTDIM7DC

and since I'm here, bump:

aloof wrote:
I saw Scar of the Sun live on the Firewind tour a while back, had never heard/seen them before... they struck me as "wimpy" but competent gothic metal, a bit proggy, very pretentious... m-a lists them as "Gothic/Doom Metal with Death Influences", which I can't get my head around. I finally listened to their debut today: https://scarofthesun.bandcamp.com/ and it's like depeche mode meets paradise lost. I don't hear any doom whatsoever, and the only "death influences" are some (very limited) growls. the second album is a little more catchy and at times heavy, but still gothic metal without much of a deviation...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:07 pm 
 

Hi guys,
Grozet Nebulae ( https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540289013 ) is currently listed as "Black Metal", but I think it should be changed.
Their last album "O N I R O N A U T A" sounds like Vaporwave mainly, mixed with some Black Metal.
Judge for youselves: https://grozethnebulae.bandcamp.com/alb ... -n-a-u-t-a

Also, their early works are really harsh and raw, for example "Insanity": https://grozethnebulae.bandcamp.com/album/insanity

So, I suggest: Raw Black Metal (early), Black Metal/Vaporwave (later) (or Black Metal/Electronica if you prefer).

Thanks :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:06 am 
 

aloof wrote:
I saw Scar of the Sun live on the Firewind tour a while back, had never heard/seen them before... they struck me as "wimpy" but competent gothic metal, a bit proggy, very pretentious... m-a lists them as "Gothic/Doom Metal with Death Influences", which I can't get my head around. I finally listened to their debut today: https://scarofthesun.bandcamp.com/ and it's like depeche mode meets paradise lost. I don't hear any doom whatsoever, and the only "death influences" are some (very limited) growls. the second album is a little more catchy and at times heavy, but still gothic metal without much of a deviation...


Changed. It's a mix of gothic and nu-Gothenburg stuff.

Midnight Rider wrote:
I'm hearing lots of melodic black metal & black/thrash riffs in Vampire's latest album "With Primeval Force":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzF397YCpiU (0:00), (1:03)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yYBf7V9bA (1:41)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4hKyxz2064 (0:00), (1:41), (1:51)

Maybe it's worth enough to add it to their genre?

"Blackened Death/Thrash Metal" or
"Death/Thrash Metal with Black Metal Elements/influences"


Current genre is fine. There are elements - you'll hear some similarities in anything with 80s speed-thrash-black-death influences because everyone loves Bathory, etc. - but looking at the big picture, this is death/thrash metal. Quite a bit of melody, too, but that doesn't merit listing it in the genre tag.

Midnight Rider wrote:
Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Rest in Peace is listed as Technical Speed Metal, but I think there is enough thrash metal to add it to their genre, making it Technical Speed/Thrash Metal.

Their demo Inner Scream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxpRgQSvg8k

I second this, but also think that "Technical Thrash Metal" describe their genre even better.
This sounds a lot like the Artillery/Watchtower most technical albums.
The fast rhythms of speed metal are entirely absent, as most of their music are mid-tempo thrash breaks/riffs with clean vocals.


Yeah, this is thrash. Sometimes called "speed metal" 15 years ago. :lol: Changed.

aloof wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Engine/5629 may feature half of Fates Warning, but they're not really Progressive Metal. I'd say Groove Metal/Rock, but judge for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 37BEF6CB59
and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... H-dTDIM7DC


Yeah, this isn't progressive metal, it's basically mallcore. I think I'm going to bring this up for deletion rather than changing the genre. :lol: I considered changing the genre a few years ago but didn't want to do that much listening because it was awful.

Heliogabalus wrote:
Hi guys,
Grozet Nebulae ( https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540289013 ) is currently listed as "Black Metal", but I think it should be changed.
Their last album "O N I R O N A U T A" sounds like Vaporwave mainly, mixed with some Black Metal.
Judge for youselves: https://grozethnebulae.bandcamp.com/alb ... -n-a-u-t-a

Also, their early works are really harsh and raw, for example "Insanity": https://grozethnebulae.bandcamp.com/album/insanity

So, I suggest: Raw Black Metal (early), Black Metal/Vaporwave (later) (or Black Metal/Electronica if you prefer).

Thanks :)


I don't really know what vaporwave is, so I'll leave this for someone else to handle...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:55 am 
 

thanks, Zodi :) I don't like Engine much, either. their Cure cover is ok tho...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:23 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Heliogabalus wrote:
Hi guys,
Grozet Nebulae ( https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540289013 ) is currently listed as "Black Metal", but I think it should be changed.
Their last album "O N I R O N A U T A" sounds like Vaporwave mainly, mixed with some Black Metal.
Judge for youselves: https://grozethnebulae.bandcamp.com/alb ... -n-a-u-t-a

Also, their early works are really harsh and raw, for example "Insanity": https://grozethnebulae.bandcamp.com/album/insanity

So, I suggest: Raw Black Metal (early), Black Metal/Vaporwave (later) (or Black Metal/Electronica if you prefer).

Thanks :)


I don't really know what vaporwave is, so I'll leave this for someone else to handle...


I changed the genre to read "Black Metal (early), Black Metal / Vaporwave (later)".
I can't comment on whether or not "raw" should be added, but the description of the last album seems to be spot on.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:05 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Yeah, this is thrash. Sometimes called "speed metal" 15 years ago. :lol: Changed.

Thanks Zodi.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:07 pm 
 

Band: 206和思想者

I think "symphonic" should be tacked on there, listen to the playlist
Source/Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8Jith ... hrWGi2vh5r

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:47 pm 
 

I'm not sure how picky this sight is regarding punk genres but the band Cronecronaut a tag of Speed Metal/Punk. The "punk" genre is definitely D-Beat and should probably be more accurate in that regard.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cr ... 3540425750
https://cronecronaut.bandcamp.com
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:40 pm 
 

Can you please change the band's genre to Thrash Metal/Progressive Blackened Thrash Metal. Trust me, we are not traditional thrash and to say so is misleading.

Thank you in advance.

Ben Gerencser ~ Torrefy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu4vqKqVgDQ&t=32s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99I5lBsEkWI

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... ex/599393/

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:21 pm 
 

Bonziepsycho wrote:
I'm not sure how picky this sight is regarding punk genres but the band Cronecronaut a tag of Speed Metal/Punk. The "punk" genre is definitely D-Beat and should probably be more accurate in that regard.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cr ... 3540425750
https://cronecronaut.bandcamp.com


Updated to show Speed Metal/Crust Punk. That should be fitting enough given the d-beat influence.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:16 pm 
 

TheStormIRide wrote:
Bonziepsycho wrote:
I'm not sure how picky this sight is regarding punk genres but the band Cronecronaut a tag of Speed Metal/Punk. The "punk" genre is definitely D-Beat and should probably be more accurate in that regard.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cr ... 3540425750
https://cronecronaut.bandcamp.com


Updated to show Speed Metal/Crust Punk. That should be fitting enough given the d-beat influence.


Thanks, StormIRide.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:48 pm 
 

Lacuna Coil's current genre tag is "Gothic Metal/Rock (early), Alternative Rock (later)", but well, it doesn't seems quite accurate, at least, since "Delirium" came out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dw6lJheudQ

This is totally not alternative rock. Most like a mix between gothic/alternative metal and Metalcore.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:49 pm 
 

I think that Om are due for a genre update, Stoner/Doom Metal doesn't cut it for them any more. A lot of their music been been closer to something along the lines of traditional eastern or arabic music (not too sure what you would call it, but that seems atleast kinda close) for a while now. Ofcourse there is still Stoner Metal in there, but I think it would be reasonable to change the genre tag to "Stoner/Doom Metal, Eastern Religious/Traditional Music" or something like that.

Examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEFPtG4dP0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts3YWVFUnvU

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but the search engine considers "Om" to be too short of a word to search after and I'm not about to go through the 70+ pages of this thread to find that discussion.

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Bonziepsycho
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:20 pm 
 

I know I've asked this before, but it probably got burried. Shit Fucking Shit use to be Noisegrind.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... -2006-2007
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... olico-2010
They even occasionally release something of that style now.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... ation-2016
It probably doesn't need an early/later tag for the genre but it should probably read "Noisegrind, Death Metal/Grindcore."

Also, it might be overkill, but they do have plenty of standard Grindcore releases.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... nnibe-2016
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... eform-2013
If you think it may need it, "Noisegrind, Grindcore, Death Metal/Grindcore" is possible.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sh ... 3540408107
https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:30 pm 
 

No. We're not gonna start making up new genres here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:35 pm 
 

There are already several bands on this site with "Noisegrind" in their genre; I'm hardly making it up.
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Touchè. Only seven bands though, and that appears to be a genre tag that (mostly) hasn't been used in a few years. I dunno. Maybe I'm just talking out my ass.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:20 pm 
 

That would be because it's not an acceptable genre per the rules of this site, so bands solely of this style do not get accepted. A notorious band for this style would be Anal Cunt.
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In my deep dig for funeral doom, I've come across several bands (some I have known about for a while) that ought to be listed as funeral doom. There are also some bands that I haven't found any evidence of them being funeral doom. Possibly some that aren't even metal.

First up is Enter The Soil. At least the album "That Amber Lit Morning" sounds like funeral doom in the vein of early Funeral, Mournful Congregation, Fallen. It is definitely slow enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ghpDHgkDE

Next is Talsur. However, I admit I've only heard their most recent album. Their tag is kinda confusing, "Melodic Doom Metal", what does that even mean? Doom metal is generally melodic, and they use death growls so there is definitely a doom/death element. It's certainly slow enough to be considered funeral doom, or at least it scratches that ever present itch I have for anything funereal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN6L35fnRc

Omit is next. I think "Funeral Doom Metal" suffices for them. Repose is an 85 minute epic that I rank as high as Mournful Congregation's The Monad of Creation on my list of all time favorite funeral doom albums. Plus, their "predecessor" band Skumring is listed as "Funeral Doom Metal / Folk" and there are a lot of parallels between the two bands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czw7ey1K7I

Chaos Moon has long been a band that has confused me. I cannot find any sign that they were ever doom metal. I've been trying to find Chaos Rituals, and their next demo has one track that I could hear, and it just sounds like slow black metal to me, no real doom riffs. So unless Chaos Rituals is some hidden funeral doom masterpiece that sounds completely different from the USBM they would later employ, I doubt they were ever funeral doom. I would love to be proven wrong, since black metal and funeral doom mix very nicely (see Abyssmal Sorrow).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBKHz9Z1WrU (this is really the slowest song I could find)

A Young Man's Funeral is funeral doom at least on Thanatic Unlife and holy shit is it good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz9BLe-VJt0

Vin De Mia Trix is funeral doom on their most recent album, Palimpsets, which is also a solid 97 minutes of doom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuOKeWVxHZE

Abysmal Growls of Despair plays funeral doom on a few of their albums, but a lot of their stuff is Sunn O))) style drone doom. Crypt of Demons is also just ambient.
I haven't heard all of their albums, so I am not sure if there is an "era" of funeral doom and an "era" for ambient drone. I looked up Worst Putrid Tongue and a quick listen through (if such a thing is possible) indicates it has some funeral doom elements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOASGEu-cgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt2MJnhHzOg

Several of these bands I discovered through Metal Injection's Funeral Doom Friday column. But one thing that had me thinking was the overlap between some sludge/doom bands and how slow funeral doom is. Corrupted is very slow, and sometimes I see them called funeral doom, but their sound is almost entirely within the realm of sludge/doom.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:33 pm 
 

I know there's been an effort to fix up the "Dark Metal" bands on here so I dug through a good bit of them.

Tenebra is Symphonic Gothic/Death/Doom Metal. There's a lot of operatic vocals so I'm not sure if that should be included as well.
* http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tenebra/71197
* https://myspace.com/tenebra/music/songs
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpWdi5F6pGc (4:51)

Chaos Dynasty is Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ch ... asty/46444
* https://myspace.com/chaosdynastyband

Dark Forest is Melodic Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dark_Forest/10543
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHW9LXbRE2M

Mental Frost is Black Metal, like it's previous page: Zandrium.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mental_Frost/42978
* http://www.mikseri.net/artists/mental-f ... st/246656/

Naglfar is Atmospheric Black Metal.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Qgi5sXMAw
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uing3csjDbw
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C2qfLSKNTs
But this is also one of their singles and it's Heavy Metal.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_nunPPrUk
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Naglfar/10450

Nokturnal Rust is Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/No ... Rust/18658
* https://myspace.com/nokturnalrust/music/songs

Orpheus is Gothic Metal, but none of these songs on YouTube/Myspace seem to be on an album, or even the demo already on the page.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS3DBSdXPic
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aiFAcCqNPQ
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Orpheus/67650

Sleeping with Knives is Death/Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sl ... ives/54191
* http://gaetan.dc.free.fr/Audio/Sleeping ... h%20Knives).mp3

Taramantia is Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Taramantia/35451
* http://best-muzon.audio/?song=Taramantia

Ноктюрн is Heavy Metal, or something of that sort.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540411533
* https://vk.com/audios-66776079

Anomy is just Progressive Metal, maybe Gothic as well.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anomy/11183
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Qi4Kj8klo
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFphsc8_1TM
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMyl8fyIisU

Aquaritia has reformed and play Melodic Death Metal, but I can't find any samples for their 1997 demo.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aquaritia/50631
* https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFR2tv ... f3ls0H6Qbw

Deus Diabolus is Melodic Black/Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... olus/10575
* https://myspace.com/deusdiabolus/music/songs

Endtyme Inc. is Progressive/Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Endtyme_Inc./43760
* https://myspace.com/endtymeinc/music/songs

Fifth Reason is Progressive Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fifth_Reason/3947
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whfHIJ2QqGE
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz1khEJZvds
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZudQQgbWmI
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY3s7B7ZaQE
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Goatfangs wrote:
Next is Talsur. However, I admit I've only heard their most recent album. Their tag is kinda confusing, "Melodic Doom Metal", what does that even mean? Doom metal is generally melodic, and they use death growls so there is definitely a doom/death element. It's certainly slow enough to be considered funeral doom, or at least it scratches that ever present itch I have for anything funereal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN6L35fnRc


To me, melodic doom metal is stuff like The 3rd and the Mortal or Elbereth. That being said, Talsur's other releases sound almost like gothic/doom like The Foreshadowing or My Dying Bride. Even his newest EP, Offertorium, is more mid-tempo and melodic than the release you shared. It's not bad, actually. I think maybe melodic doom/death metal would tie in both the more mid-tempo releases, and that more funeral sounding album.

https://talsur.bandcamp.com/album/tuonela
https://talsur.bandcamp.com/album/offertorium-ep

So sometimes Diamhea agrees with my reports, other times he closes them and sends me here. I guess this is what I shall do, then. Here come the sub-genre OCD.

Shadowseeds is not plain death metal. Their music is really weird and difficult to categorize, due to the odd spoken vocals and Medieval atmosphere. I think perhaps atmospheric death metal would be at least a little bit more accurate, though I'm not sure I'd even call it death at all. Here is their full-length, Dream of Lillith.



Coronatus are not gothic sounding, just because they use female vocals and keyboards. It's very operatic, folky, and orchestral sounding. While there are a lot of bands that combine symphonic and gothic metal, I just don't hear the gloomy, haunting, goth-rock vibes that come from bands like Type O Negative, Tristania, or Moonspell. If anything, it's more in the kind of camp that Nightwish or Midnattsol play. So, I would suggest they be changed to symphonic/folk metal.

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Eternal Cry are also labeled as gothic metal, but I think their self-titled first album is pretty standard death/doom metal. There are some ethereal undertones such as female vocals and eerie sounding keyboards, but other than that, it's no different from Anathema from their 'Serenades'-era. I've only been able to find two songs from their second album, The Garden of Dead Flowers, and I will agree with the gothic metal tag for this release, though there still seems to be some lingering aggression and death/doom influence in the mix. I would either suggest death/doom metal (early), gothic metal (later) or wrap it all up as doom/death/gothic metal.

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First album in its entirety


Two tracks from The Garden of Dead Flowers



Earthshine are listed as plain doom metal, but they actually have a pretty oddball style. They mix doom riffs with deep death grunts, organs, and post-rock textures (creating kind of a Cascadian atmosphere, like Wolves in the Throne Room or Agalloch). It almost sounds as like a Skepticism album being played at double the tempo. I would suggest listing them as melodic doom/death/post-metal or melodic doom/death metal/post-rock. I would like to refrain from calling it atmospheric doom, due to the harsh vocals, but I suppose it could potentially be accurate as well.

Spoiler: show


I'm going to really split hairs and say that Lycus should have death metal as a part of their tag, making it funeral doom/death metal. Yeah yeah, I know funeral doom stems from death/doom, but a majority of funeral doom bands tend to stick to a consistently slow, sluggish pace. Lycus, however, are always changing tempos, and make use of plenty of full on death and black metal sections, along the lines of Ataraxie or Esoteric, opposed to bands like Worship or Mournful Congregation.

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Start at 5:20 on this track.


Start about 9 minutes in on this track.


Start at around 3:50, 6:20, AND 7:50 on this track.


Desire and Thorns of the Carrion both play death/doom metal, but they both heavily saturate their sound in keyboards and romantic atmosphere, with a lot of Medieval and folky sounding elements. I would say they should both be labelled as atmospheric death/doom metal.

While Thorns of the Carrion's first album is admittedly pure death/doom, their second album, The Scarlet Tapestry, is incredibly atmosphere and has tons of Medieval, gothic, and folk elements.



Desire is in the same boat. Very romantic, the pianos and synths lead the music, sounds closer to funeral doom than regular death/doom at times.


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Volarg, https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vo ... iscography

There is no evidence this band played any sort of doom metal. However, I cannot hear any samples of the band. I have strong doubts about the funeral doom part, even on the early demos the song lengths seem standard for ordinary black metal.
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Bonziepsycho wrote:
I know there's been an effort to fix up the "Dark Metal" bands on here so I dug through a good bit of them.

Tenebra is Symphonic Gothic/Death/Doom Metal. There's a lot of operatic vocals so I'm not sure if that should be included as well.
* http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Tenebra/71197
* https://myspace.com/tenebra/music/songs
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpWdi5F6pGc (4:51)

Chaos Dynasty is Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ch ... asty/46444
* https://myspace.com/chaosdynastyband

Dark Forest is Melodic Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dark_Forest/10543
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHW9LXbRE2M

Mental Frost is Black Metal, like it's previous page: Zandrium.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mental_Frost/42978
* http://www.mikseri.net/artists/mental-f ... st/246656/

Naglfar is Atmospheric Black Metal.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Qgi5sXMAw
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uing3csjDbw
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C2qfLSKNTs
But this is also one of their singles and it's Heavy Metal.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_nunPPrUk
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Naglfar/10450

Nokturnal Rust is Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/No ... Rust/18658
* https://myspace.com/nokturnalrust/music/songs

Orpheus is Gothic Metal, but none of these songs on YouTube/Myspace seem to be on an album, or even the demo already on the page.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS3DBSdXPic
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aiFAcCqNPQ
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Orpheus/67650

Sleeping with Knives is Death/Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sl ... ives/54191
* http://gaetan.dc.free.fr/Audio/Sleeping ... h%20Knives).mp3

Taramantia is Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Taramantia/35451
* http://best-muzon.audio/?song=Taramantia

Ноктюрн is Heavy Metal, or something of that sort.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540411533
* https://vk.com/audios-66776079

Anomy is just Progressive Metal, maybe Gothic as well.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Anomy/11183
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Qi4Kj8klo
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFphsc8_1TM
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMyl8fyIisU

Aquaritia has reformed and play Melodic Death Metal, but I can't find any samples for their 1997 demo.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aquaritia/50631
* https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFR2tv ... f3ls0H6Qbw

Deus Diabolus is Melodic Black/Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... olus/10575
* https://myspace.com/deusdiabolus/music/songs

Endtyme Inc. is Progressive/Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Endtyme_Inc./43760
* https://myspace.com/endtymeinc/music/songs

Fifth Reason is Progressive Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fifth_Reason/3947
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whfHIJ2QqGE
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz1khEJZvds
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZudQQgbWmI
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY3s7B7ZaQE


I changed the ones that didn't require vk or Myspace. Don't have a vk account and myspace audio seems to have stopped working for me. I'll try to get around to them later. On Aquaritia, I'm just going to put the fact that they are MDM next to their original tag as atm we have no idea what side on the "dark metal" spectrum they are. With Naglfar it would be good to try to hear their latest released single to see if the heavy metal single was just a one-off joke. I think it is but I'll mention it since they don't really have that many songs.

Goatfangs wrote:
Volarg, https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vo ... iscography

There is no evidence this band played any sort of doom metal. However, I cannot hear any samples of the band. I have strong doubts about the funeral doom part, even on the early demos the song lengths seem standard for ordinary black metal.


And there is no evidence any which way. The genre stays unless you can find some audio. Changing is because of song length is dumb. To put into context, I recently rejected a drone band with 2 minute long songs. No, it wasn't ambient.

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Goatfangs wrote:
Next is Talsur. However, I admit I've only heard their most recent album. Their tag is kinda confusing, "Melodic Doom Metal", what does that even mean? Doom metal is generally melodic, and they use death growls so there is definitely a doom/death element. It's certainly slow enough to be considered funeral doom, or at least it scratches that ever present itch I have for anything funereal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN6L35fnRc


To me, melodic doom metal is stuff like The 3rd and the Mortal or Elbereth. That being said, Talsur's other releases sound almost like gothic/doom like The Foreshadowing or My Dying Bride. Even his newest EP, Offertorium, is more mid-tempo and melodic than the release you shared. It's not bad, actually. I think maybe melodic doom/death metal would tie in both the more mid-tempo releases, and that more funeral sounding album.

https://talsur.bandcamp.com/album/tuonela
https://talsur.bandcamp.com/album/offertorium-ep

So sometimes Diamhea agrees with my reports, other times he closes them and sends me here. I guess this is what I shall do, then. Here come the sub-genre OCD.

Shadowseeds is not plain death metal. Their music is really weird and difficult to categorize, due to the odd spoken vocals and Medieval atmosphere. I think perhaps atmospheric death metal would be at least a little bit more accurate, though I'm not sure I'd even call it death at all. Here is their full-length, Dream of Lillith.



Coronatus are not gothic sounding, just because they use female vocals and keyboards. It's very operatic, folky, and orchestral sounding. While there are a lot of bands that combine symphonic and gothic metal, I just don't hear the gloomy, haunting, goth-rock vibes that come from bands like Type O Negative, Tristania, or Moonspell. If anything, it's more in the kind of camp that Nightwish or Midnattsol play. So, I would suggest they be changed to symphonic/folk metal.

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Eternal Cry are also labeled as gothic metal, but I think their self-titled first album is pretty standard death/doom metal. There are some ethereal undertones such as female vocals and eerie sounding keyboards, but other than that, it's no different from Anathema from their 'Serenades'-era. I've only been able to find two songs from their second album, The Garden of Dead Flowers, and I will agree with the gothic metal tag for this release, though there still seems to be some lingering aggression and death/doom influence in the mix. I would either suggest death/doom metal (early), gothic metal (later) or wrap it all up as doom/death/gothic metal.

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First album in its entirety


Two tracks from The Garden of Dead Flowers



Earthshine are listed as plain doom metal, but they actually have a pretty oddball style. They mix doom riffs with deep death grunts, organs, and post-rock textures (creating kind of a Cascadian atmosphere, like Wolves in the Throne Room or Agalloch). It almost sounds as like a Skepticism album being played at double the tempo. I would suggest listing them as melodic doom/death/post-metal or melodic doom/death metal/post-rock. I would like to refrain from calling it atmospheric doom, due to the harsh vocals, but I suppose it could potentially be accurate as well.

Spoiler: show


I'm going to really split hairs and say that Lycus should have death metal as a part of their tag, making it funeral doom/death metal. Yeah yeah, I know funeral doom stems from death/doom, but a majority of funeral doom bands tend to stick to a consistently slow, sluggish pace. Lycus, however, are always changing tempos, and make use of plenty of full on death and black metal sections, along the lines of Ataraxie or Esoteric, opposed to bands like Worship or Mournful Congregation.

Spoiler: show
Start at around 3:50 on this track.


Start at 5:20 on this track.


Start about 9 minutes in on this track.


Start at around 3:50, 6:20, AND 7:50 on this track.


Desire and Thorns of the Carrion both play death/doom metal, but they both heavily saturate their sound in keyboards and romantic atmosphere, with a lot of Medieval and folky sounding elements. I would say they should both be labelled as atmospheric death/doom metal.

While Thorns of the Carrion's first album is admittedly pure death/doom, their second album, The Scarlet Tapestry, is incredibly atmosphere and has tons of Medieval, gothic, and folk elements.



Desire is in the same boat. Very romantic, the pianos and synths lead the music, sounds closer to funeral doom than regular death/doom at times.



Firstly, shit, I thought I changed Coronatus weeks ago. Eh, memory has been sketchy cus of stress. Changed now. Anyways, the others.

Eternal Cry. Changed. They seem to have the album available on an archive site, but my harddrive doesn't have the space and I'm waiting for a new external HDD to come in. That's going to have to wait for a couple days to check out properly but based on the two songs, yeah, gothic metal.

Lycus - Funeral Doom ain't my thing so I'll have to let someone else get to that one.

Thorns of the Carrion - I went and also listened to the other albums. The latest EP had no death metal in it (okay, I say EP, the site says EP but it is just really a single 8 minute song). "Atmospheric Gothic/Death/Doom Metal" might be alittle much but since there isn't really any big definition change in their sound and it is pretty gradual, I'll leave it like that. Sort of reminds me of a more death metal Empyrium (The good era).

Desire - Sounds a little bit more like gothic/doom to me. Granted, the only funeral doom I know is Ahab (and only one album at that) but some parts sound a little... fast?

And now... Shadowseeds. God, this one might haunt me. But yeah, further listening, there is some death metal in there but idk... I think it might be more worth calling it atmospheric doom metal. I agree with you that it is hard to categorize. I guess it is basically a more fast paced doom than anything. Like can't really call it death metal, can't really call it heavy metal. Atmospheric doom is the closest I can think of. The EP doesn't help as it was a limited release with only one song downloadable, and it was dark ambient. According to some scarce reviews it is like a dark ambient/martial industrial EP so can't rely on that. Atmospheric doom is what it'll be, unless a mod has a better idea.
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Goatfangs wrote:
In my deep dig for funeral doom, I've come across several bands (some I have known about for a while) that ought to be listed as funeral doom. There are also some bands that I haven't found any evidence of them being funeral doom. Possibly some that aren't even metal.
I'm working in this.
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Next is Talsur. However, I admit I've only heard their most recent album. Their tag is kinda confusing, "Melodic Doom Metal", what does that even mean? Doom metal is generally melodic, and they use death growls so there is definitely a doom/death element. It's certainly slow enough to be considered funeral doom, or at least it scratches that ever present itch I have for anything funereal.
Out of all of Talsur's albums, only Slough of Despond and half of Offertorium are Funeral Doom. The first two albums and the Angerdoom EP bounce between more traditional Doom to Doom/Death (but always emphasizing on melody, so I do get the tag), and Inanitas goes from the same style of trad-y Doom (most of the album) to the a more Stoner-influenced kind (in a couple of songs), so while still Doom, it bounces around the subgenre. That being said, the tag that I find more encompassing of the whole output will be Melodic Doom/Death Metal, as TheUnhinged suggested. I'll post the other bands as I advance. Also, don't flag bands for genre change unless you're familiar with their overall sound. It's like asking to change Therion's genre to just Death Metal, having only listened to "Of Darkness"
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I changed the ones that didn't require vk or Myspace.
I'll check the Myspace ones. IIRC, Zodi has a VK account. I'll ask him to check those out.
PDS wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
Volarg (...) There is no evidence this band played any sort of doom metal. However, I cannot hear any samples of the band. I have strong doubts about the funeral doom part, even on the early demos the song lengths seem standard for ordinary black metal.
And there is no evidence any which way. The genre stays unless you can find some audio. Changing is because of song length is dumb. To put into context, I recently rejected a drone band with 2 minute long songs. No, it wasn't ambient.
What PDS said +1. You have to back your arguement with actual proof. Having "a hunch" is not enough.
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Lycus - Funeral Doom ain't my thing so I'll have to let someone else get to that one.
I'll take that.
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Enter The Soil.
Agreed, and changed.
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Bonziepsycho wrote:
Ноктюрн is Heavy Metal, or something of that sort.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 3540411533
* https://vk.com/audios-66776079


Symphonic metal. Changed.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:16 pm 
 

TheUnhinged wrote:
I'm going to really split hairs and say that Lycus should have death metal as a part of their tag, making it funeral doom/death metal. Yeah yeah, I know funeral doom stems from death/doom, but a majority of funeral doom bands tend to stick to a consistently slow, sluggish pace. Lycus, however, are always changing tempos, and make use of plenty of full on death and black metal sections, along the lines of Ataraxie or Esoteric, opposed to bands like Worship or Mournful Congregation.

I'm afraid that you're indeed splitting hairs, mate. While yes, those kind of passages are present on some of their songs, they're more of a resource, or something complementary to the music, than actual "additional" focus to the music. I do get what you mean, but I think the genre is fine as is.
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Bonziepsycho wrote:


yeya, that's my channel, ahah!

I would like to bump this one again:
MDL wrote:
Lacuna Coil's current genre tag is "Gothic Metal/Rock (early), Alternative Rock (later)", but well, it doesn't seems quite accurate, at least, since "Delirium" came out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dw6lJheudQ

This is totally not alternative rock. Most like a mix between gothic/alternative metal and Metalcore.



And also suggest a change for Shattered Morality's genre, which is "Doom/Dark Metal" to something such as plain Doom Metal or even Doom/Black Metal. You can access the full demo on youtube: http://youtu.be/-9QJzlIvjck
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sha ... 3540390303

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Some more "Dark Metal" clean up.

Inner Sea is Melodic Symphonic Metal, maybe Gothic as well.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Inner_Sea/45768
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34GABMZP_Y
* http://www.mclub.com.ua/vcat.phtml?acti ... lbum=63290

Majesty of Silence is Symphonic Black Metal
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... ence/11438
* https://myspace.com/majestyofsilence/music/songs

Moray Firth is Melodic Death Metal; it sounds like Mercenary/Scar Symmetry/Into Eternity ish.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Moray_Firth/74129
* https://myspace.com/morayfirth/music/songs

I couldn't find any samples for the band Leon, but their genre is listed as Dark Progressive Metal and their name change is listed as just Progressive Metal, so I don't think it would hurt to just lose the "dark" in the genre until a sample is found.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Leon/3540311175

Of the Archaengel is Symphonic Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Of ... ngel/52722
* https://myspace.com/ofthearchaengel/music/songs

Oneiros is Symphonic Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oneiros/16710
* https://myspace.com/oneirosgermany/music/songs

Penetralia is Symphonic Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Penetralia/9178
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji0m2IIFLXE
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfmWl94 ... HHSFVqzbyz

Perfect Symmetry is Symphonic Progressive Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pe ... etry/74690
* https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqbSbU ... lCsI8SJdfw

Ruins of Amber is just Melodic Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ru ... mber/57409
* https://myspace.com/ruinsofamber/music/songs

Stygian Shore is Progressive Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... hore/52936
* https://myspace.com/stygianshore/music/songs

The Real Massacre is first wave Black Metal/Heavy Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... acre/35420
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2See7qKB1Yc

This is all I found for Ur Nord Germanisch; I don't know about the other albums, and there are quite a few, but This album is purely Ambient and should be included in the genre.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ur ... isch/49643
* https://yadi.sk/d/7RuTIkqm3ChxKZ

Usva is Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Usva/20922
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwWv8MzaqE

Vanity is just Melodic Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vanity/16637
* https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLj0hV ... Wxw/videos

Вихрь is just Experimental Metal, Ambient/Noise.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/%D ... 1%8C/54683
* https://soundcloud.com/novemberkays

A.N.T.I. is Industrial/Electronic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/A.N.T.I./41717
* https://myspace.com/vnti/music/songs

Agonia is Heavy/Alternative Metal, I'm not sure if there's a reason why Ambient is in the genre.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Agonia/38985
* https://myspace.com/agonialink/music/songs

Antisacrum is just Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Antisacrum/20234
* https://www.realmusic.ru/antisacrum/music/

Aquilon is Melodic Death/Experimental Metal (early), Industrial/Electronic Rock (later)
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Aquilon/15956
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5CEPaWBhA8
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTb1iEgYjOo
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSWJRh-iqkM (their latest album)

Atheistc is Symphonic/Melodic Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Atheistc/79903
* https://myspace.com/atheistcbr/music/songs

B.X.M.S. is Black/Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/B.X.M.S./83685
* https://vk.com/audios-2099569

Banner of Wrath is Death/Gothic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ba ... rath/10259
* https://myspace.com/bannerofwrath666/music/songs

Belmez is just Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Belmez/3750
* https://myspace.com/belmezfanpage/music/songs

Black Nazareth is Black Metal, with some Gothic elements.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... reth/73282
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibK33EP1QXs

Bliss is Progressive Metal/Rock.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bliss/47155
* https://myspace.com/blissrockt/music/songs

Bouq is Epic Black/Death Metal
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bouq/3540318719
* https://bouq.bandcamp.com
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Serjuh666
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:03 am 
 

Hello everyone.
I'm currently looking for bands i can contribute and i stumbled across a band i tried to submit last year.
I thought they got rejected because they were not metal, turns out it got rejected due to EP being too short.
Now, i'm still learning the differences between genres so i can't really pinpoint the band i submitted.
Hear for yourselves and let me know, also if you can tell me how you came to that conclusion it would be awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6e0L0DlGk
I'd personally say they're Brutal Death Metal with some Deathcore influences here and there, thats why i originally put them under "Brutal Death Metal / Deathcore"

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TheUnhinged
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Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:28 pm
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:19 pm 
 

PDS wrote:
Desire - Sounds a little bit more like gothic/doom to me. Granted, the only funeral doom I know is Ahab (and only one album at that) but some parts sound a little... fast?


I would have said that Desire are still doom/death, though they're definitely one of the sappier bands out there. My reason for mentioning funeral doom is because they have a lot of similarities to early-Skepticism (ultra slow, mournful riffs with organs and deep, gurgling growled vocals) and Pantheist. I'd even go as far as to say there's some Katatonia (Dance of December Souls-era) styled death/doom there too. Because of how romantic and cheesy it is, though, I can understand calling it goth doom.

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And now... Shadowseeds. God, this one might haunt me. But yeah, further listening, there is some death metal in there but idk... I think it might be more worth calling it atmospheric doom metal. I agree with you that it is hard to categorize. I guess it is basically a more fast paced doom than anything. Like can't really call it death metal, can't really call it heavy metal. Atmospheric doom is the closest I can think of. The EP doesn't help as it was a limited release with only one song downloadable, and it was dark ambient. According to some scarce reviews it is like a dark ambient/martial industrial EP so can't rely on that. Atmospheric doom is what it'll be, unless a mod has a better idea.


As for Shadowseeds, I failed to hear anything doom in the mix at all. I would almost say atmospheric heavy metal or even some form of atmospheric/melodic black metal. Atmospheric doom to me is like The Gathering or Lethian Dreams.

Regardless, I appreciate your responses and how quick you were about it!

Kadath is listed as death metal, but there is definitely some doom and dreamy, ethereal sounding passages in there. It sounds a lot like The Gathering's first album. I would suggest death/doom metal.



Bonziepsycho wrote:


I back this up 100%.

Here are a few "Dark Metal" bands I've heard.

Dark the Suns is listed as "Melodic Dark/Gothic Metal", though I would suggest changing it to melodic death/gothic metal. It sounds like a mix of melo-death/doom with some mid-tempo late-Sentenced style riffage. It reminds me a lot of bands like Daylight Dies or Rapture.

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Leviatan is listed as "Dark/Black Metal" but could easily be summed up as melodic black metal. There is no outside influence to their music, it just sounds like black metal with a slightly more laidback feel to it.

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Belmez is also listed as "Dark/Black Metal". The material I've heard from them definitely has some Bethlehem elements to it, without the manic depressive aspects to it. I hear some slight hints of industrial in the mix, though this might just be because of the weak programmed drums. I'm not sure if it'd be enough to make it part of the primary sound, so I'd perhaps suggest black metal with industrial elements.

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Belmez also had a later project known as Opacity, also labelled as "Dark/Black Metal", which just sounds like plain black metal to me. Therefore, I'd suggest removing "Dark" from the tag, leaving it as black metal.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:17 pm 
 

Serjuh666 wrote:
Hello everyone.
I'm currently looking for bands i can contribute and i stumbled across a band i tried to submit last year.
I thought they got rejected because they were not metal, turns out it got rejected due to EP being too short.
Now, i'm still learning the differences between genres so i can't really pinpoint the band i submitted.
Hear for yourselves and let me know, also if you can tell me how you came to that conclusion it would be awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6e0L0DlGk
I'd personally say they're Brutal Death Metal with some Deathcore influences here and there, thats why i originally put them under "Brutal Death Metal / Deathcore"


Submit the band with whatever genre you think it is. If it's different we'll change it.
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