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droneriot
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:14 pm 
 

The genre of Forgotten Daylight is currently "doom metal" (I submitted it as that for some reason, it would be more accurate to change it to "melodic death/doom metal", or at least "death/doom metal" (the former would be far more accurate, but I know the staff likes to keep genres short.)

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=83291
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todesengel_hell
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:53 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=12381
http://www.myspace.com/punishedband

This is definitely not Deathcore in the modern sense of the term. It's more like Death/Thrash Metal/Crossover.

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W1kt00r
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:04 pm 
 

That's an interesting topic... So I noticed that stoner band called Solarized was't accepted here. It's of course stoner - but only rock or rock/metal like some bands in MA? I'd like to give you some links telling that Solarized plays metal too.

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/solarized-p366221 (there's nothing about rock)
http://www.lastfm.pl/music/Solarized
http://metalarea.org/forum/index.php?sh ... 9912&st=0&

OK, so are they proof of fact that Solarized plays stoner rock AND stoner metal? I read there that MA accept bands playing stoner rock/metal like this.
If they are, can I resubmit Solarized?

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Funeralord
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:07 pm 
 

@W1kt00r That belongs to a different thread: http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... hp?t=64985
This thread is to discuss the genres of bands that ALREADY ARE on the site.
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W1kt00r
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:14 pm 
 

That already exists? Sorry.

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Carter
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:38 pm 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540319197

Sounds more like Thrash/Crust.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:22 am 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=39539

This band certainly don't play straight thrash, sounds much more like Trivium-esque metalcore to my ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KT6vTcFfUA
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Helvede
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:14 am 
 

Carter wrote:


I agree. Even add sludge to the pot.

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Carter
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:06 pm 
 

The Contortionist should definitely have deathcore/metalcore added to their genre. Lots of breakdowns/chugz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldtghA7xleE

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~Guest 152635
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:19 am 
 

The Toll:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540317735

More like Drone Doom Metal if it even belongs here:

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:59 pm 
 

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:38 am 
 

L'Acephale:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=35182

Aren't ambient or folk. Yes, they have elements of both in their music, but it's really a lot of neither. Their style's been dubbed as Ritual more than anything, so it's probably more accurate to say "Black Metal / Ritual".

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:57 pm 
 

Band: Devil's Blood, genre Black/Heavy Metal/Crossover. The genre should be Thrash Metal/Crossover.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:35 pm 
 

In Flames recent genre was recently changed to just "Modern Metal"

This, I think, is sufficient. It should also be that way for Soilwork. Their recent albums are modern and still metal, quite gothenburg, but not metalcore.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:42 pm 
 

Wet the Steel.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540319976
http://www.myspace.com/wetthesteel

Genre should clearly be changed to deathcore. Calling this band blackened death metal would be like calling Whitechapel blackened death metal.
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:24 am 
 

Shadowsong.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540271502

"Death/Black Metal"...? I'd lump this "Melodic Black Metal", and drop the "Death-" component altogether. This isn't exactly Infernal War that you'll hear on their MySpace:

http://www.myspace.com/shadowsongmetal

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:55 pm 
 

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:07 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=6056
Dead Horse - please add crossover to their genre line.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=34882
Bloodbath - please delete 'brutal' from their genre line. It's not brutal death, it's death/thrash metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=334
Exhorder. It's groove/thrash metal, one of the creators of groove metal sub-genre.


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TheMirroringShadow
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:38 pm 
 

I suggest a change of genre regarding the band "Submission (Dnk)".

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22390

The current genre for this band is "Death/Thrash metal". I have only listened to their latest offering "Code of Conspiracy", but I am very sure that this tag is misleading and should be changed to "Melodic Death Metal" first and foremost, and maybe "Groove Metal" should be added as well.

The reason is that in my ears the music sounds like Natural Born Chaos-era Soilwork in the choruses, and in the verses it doesn't really sound thrashier than The Haunted - making me consider this band either post-thrash or groove metal. I'm pretty sure this isn't death/thrash in any case.

Song examples from "Code of Conspiracy" (2009) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcZg0nOZK-k - "In The Eyes of the Tyranny"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9QOPxgLFdI - "Rebel of Society"


Thank you for your time!

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:14 pm 
 

As someone pointed some time ago, Ramesses are not death/doom, they're stoner/sludge doom
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9752 http://www.myspace.com/ramesses666

Sepia Dreamer are not Extreme Progressive Metal, just instrumental progressive metal (and quite soft, nothing extreme about them), so the tag "extreme" should be removed.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=47100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJMapvB2YE

Same for Egoist, nothing extreme about it, all clean vocals and no extreme elements, also it's not so progressive, but it's experimental and technical, so the right tag should be "Technical/Experimental Metal"

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=85552
http://www.myspace.com/egoistpoland

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ChantingOfThePriests
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:08 am 
 

The genre for the band Dark Forest is listed as Black/Viking/Pagan Metal.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=43479

Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Pagan metal? there is no such thing. Lyrics do not make a genre, the instrumentation does. You can be in a black metal and write about cuddly children's toys.

Also, Viking metal? give me a break, the vikings sure as hell didn't listen to metal so I don't know what the deal is there.

Lyrics do not create a genre. There are common lyrical themes in black metal such as the Norse culture and the Vikings, but that does not constitute a genre of music.

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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:48 am 
 

ChantingOfThePriests wrote:
Honestly, this is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Pagan metal? there is no such thing. Lyrics do not make a genre, the instrumentation does. You can be in a black metal and write about cuddly children's toys.

...

Lyrics do not create a genre. There are common lyrical themes in black metal such as the Norse culture and the Vikings, but that does not constitute a genre of music.


Correct. But "Pagan Metal" isn't really a style that's defined purely by lyrical content. A lot of the time, it's a label applied to any black metal band that's a bit too folkish to be pure black metal, but not folk enough to be folk metal...

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Hail_Chaos
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:49 pm 
 

I was wondering why Mastodon are listed on the archives as simply "Technical/Progressive Groove Metal" when their song output, paying especial attention to their earlier material such as LIFESBLOOD for instance, was very much a progressive sludge-core (sludge metal & hardcore punk) sound. While they've certainly progressed (pun) into a more Prog-Groove influenced branch, they still retain elements of Sludge and Hardcore in their music. Enough so, I believe, that their genre should be switched for either :


(earlier) Sludge Metal/Hardcore (later) Technical/Progressive Groove Metal

or

Technical/Progressive - Groove/Sludge Metal


I'm not necessarily the authority on all things metal music, I don't typically notice most of the little "intricacies" that separate hardcore-influenced doom/grunge/stoner metal from hardcore-influenced heavy/thrash/death metal. In the bigger picture of things, I guess if you took enough liberties with either genre, they'd sound practically the same.

Considering this, I can only go off of the output of other musical bands from the two genres, sludge and groove respectfully. I know what Crowbar, Melvins and Eyehategod sound like, and I know what Pantera, Devil Driver and Machine Head sound like.

This is ultimately the decision of a moderator to make the change, but to help prove my case, I've selected the following videos

Mastodon - Hail to Fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIwFfdUD ... re=related

Crowbar- The Cemetery Angels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ7O5VlTZ_M

Machine Head - Davidian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mWPPBW4DU8&feature=fvst


And tell me if it can not be said that Mastodon are a sludge metal band, as well as groove.


And for your trouble, here's this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL_LUbr6 ... ure=relmfu

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:36 am 
 

Lately accepted band The Defiled is listed under Groove/Progressive Metal the genre should be changed to something like Groove/Metalcore

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:31 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
why is this not a sticky?

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540310801
http://www.jamendo.com/de/artist/Dysphoric

the last track of their first release is some sort of depressive rock/metal. The latest release is more on the death than on the black metal side.


and here:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540261917
Black Metal / Dark Ambient
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:09 pm 
 

i'd like to change the genre of Vreid to Melodic Black metal instead of only black metal. They have some diverses influences (prog, some symphonic moments, some thrashy and even a rock n'roll approach to black metal). They also have some clean vocals, so i guess it's not pure black metal, just like Windir weren't either.

Vreid - Empty (soft song with only clean vocals)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duuLvqkajGo

Helvete (very atmospheric song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd7orvV4 ... re=related

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:55 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
i'd like to change the genre of Vreid to Melodic Black metal instead of only black metal. They have some diverses influences (prog, some symphonic moments, some thrashy and even a rock n'roll approach to black metal). They also have some clean vocals, so i guess it's not pure black metal, just like Windir weren't either.


I second this; it's wrong to simply dub Vreid a vanilla Black Metal band. Their musical style is very similar to Sworn, and every song is driven more by melody than rhythm.

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TheMirroringShadow
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:55 pm 
 

Do you guys still consider "Dååth" to be an industrial death metal band?

Or has the genre tag simply remained like that throughout the years?

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:00 pm 
 

TheMirroringShadow wrote:
Do you guys still consider "Dååth" to be an industrial death metal band?

Or has the genre tag simply remained like that throughout the years?


I think that it remained so through the years, yes it should be changed to something like...death/groove metal (now) ??

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:16 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=136215

this release of the band is a mixture between ambient and drone; so the term 'black metal' should be updated.
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Alhadis
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:16 am 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540321360

Okay, I just got my copy of "The Fading Light" in the mail today and in retrospect, it was probably wrong to follow the band's own description of their style as "depressive black metal". This is Doom Metal, through-and-through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0an0WOicM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7OFeS3kxQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVuZLT71eD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIfyNr20D_Q

At least to my ears. Thoughts?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:26 am 
 

Alhadis wrote:
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540321360

Okay, I just got my copy of "The Fading Light" in the mail today and in retrospect, it was probably wrong to follow the band's own description of their style as "depressive black metal". This is Doom Metal, through-and-through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0an0WOicM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7OFeS3kxQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVuZLT71eD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIfyNr20D_Q

At least to my ears. Thoughts?

It is some kind of midtempo black metal, not doom.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:14 pm 
 

I don't have any idea why Aerial View's genre tag was changed to Hard Rock (early), Progressive Metal (later) after the band got accepted. It should've be kept Progressive Metal/Hard Rock.

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GraveWish
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:59 pm 
 

Lately accepted band Ladies & Gentlemen, death/black metal?! This is grindcore.

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AcidWorm
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:38 pm 
 

Wulfgar is labeled as just death metal. I propose the change to Death metal/viking metal or Death metal (old), Viking metal (now)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnNeEwnV ... re=related

The viking themes are not limited to their lyrics and the folky rhythms are clearly present in that song and the rest of the album. It sounds more like Ensiferum to me than Amon Amarth.

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=71210

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:13 pm 
 

I didnt know that for band genres errors i should write on forum and not report it. So now that i know it i have a point.
I think that there is no possibility that Unseen Terror is a Grindcore band like it says.
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8521
Grindcore first appear at the end of 80's - start of 90's :P
I have listened all their albums. They are Thrash/Crossover Metal with some death influences only in their last EP in 1989.
A song from their album clearly thrash/crossover:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAqeZ2x ... re=related
and a song from their 1989 EP thrash with death influences:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DADbPacB ... re=related

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:07 am 
 

[quote="chr_nwobhm"]I didnt know that for band genres errors i should write on forum and not report it. So now that i know it i have a point.
I think that there is no possibility that Unseen Terror is a Grindcore band like it says.
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=8521
Grindcore first appear at the end of 80's - start of 90's :P
I have listened all their albums. They are Thrash/Crossover Metal with some death influences only in their last EP in 1989.
A song from their album clearly thrash/crossover:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAqeZ2x ... re=related
and a song from their 1989 EP thrash with death influences:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DADbPacB ... re=related[/quote
That "thrash with death influences" is actually grindcore. Listen To Repulsion.

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chr_nwobhm
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:52 am 
 

I dont actually agree with that. I think is just Thrash/Death. You cant base on some fetures of a track to say their genre. The genre grindcore they have now is based only in some small parts of one or two songs only from their EP, in their first album there is no death features is clearly thrash/crossovers, so i can tell that they are Thrash/Crossover. If i was asked to say the genre of the band i said only thrash/crossover not even death. This repulsion you say is a too early form of death. There is a big difference. They are more like DRI, they have no relation with dying fetus for example. Thats my opinion :P

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:34 am 
 

Agents of Satan aren't stoner/sludge metal. They are powerviolence/grindcore. Maruta should be on Metal-Archives since they are grindcore with a lot of death metal influences.

Agents of Satan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch-8lW6h0ck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYMHj-P6 ... re=related

Maruta:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIDnNPHK ... IDnNPHKJaQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaXgitp ... re=related

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