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mmeixner
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:56 pm 
 

The genre for Sepultura needs to be changed slightly. This is the current version: Death/Thrash Metal (early), Groove/Thrash Metal, Nu-Metal (later). The issue I have is with the last tag: Nu-Metal (later). Sepultura's nu-metal period was not in their late period - it was in their mid period, with albums such as Nation (2001), or Roorback (2003). Sepultura dropped nu-metal influences on their recent records from 2009-present. Albums like The Mediator Between Head and Hands (2013), Machine Messiah (2017), or Kairos (2011) are influenced by groove, thrash, and even some death metal. Therefore, the tag should be adjusted to something like this: Death/Thrash Metal (early), Nu-Metal/Groove Metal (mid), Groove/Thrash/Death (later).

Here are some links that show Sepultura's evolution of sound.

Album - Nation, Song: Sepulnation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiMqW-i8bl8
Album - Against, Song: Choke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLBWlgmR7qk
Album - Roorback, Song: Corrupted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PacgO_tAGss
This shows Sepultura's mid period sound - Nu-Metal and Groove Metal influenced.

Sepultura's recent work:
Album: The Mediator Between Head and Hands Must Be the Heart, Song: Manipulation of Tragedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CEE4uTCzgM
Album: Kairos, Song: Mask https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrmSKglkWw
Album: Machine Messiah, Song: I am the Enemy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCEe44CgyAM
Album: The Mediator Between Head and Hands Must Be the Heart, Song: Trauma of War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5XBAKoEDSc
Sepultura's late period is heavily influenced by thrash metal, groove metal, and some death metal.

Sepultura's late period is NOT nu-metal! This should be adjusted to Death/Thrash Metal (early), Nu-Metal/Groove Metal (mid), Groove/Thrash/Death (later).

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:21 am 
 

Maldicion from Chile needs to have a genre update:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... iscography

They have just released new material that is of death/black metal variety.

https://soundcloud.com/butacarecords/ma ... del-horror
https://soundcloud.com/butacarecords/ma ... uro-ritual

This is half of the new demo, and my understanding is that they have been playing this style for some time now. I am unfamiliar with the older stuff, but if it is, ineed, death/doom, I recommend gothic/doom metal (early); death/black metal (later)
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Hanten Kurosu
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:40 am 
 

Though Finntroll are not straight up Black/Folk like Sorgsvart, they have obvious Black and Death influences and it's true (as noted by another user) it could mislead fans of bands Korpiklaani or Alestorm.
They even appear in a book about the history and concept of Black Metal (http://www.elargonauta.com/libros/histo ... 5191-20-9/), and the author is slightly elitistic.
I suggest you change it to Extreme Folk Metal or Folk Metal with Black Metal influences or Folk Metal with Blackened influences, instead of just Folk Metal.
Source/Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkVwA__Fk9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_J6cZEfXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZU5RovODg

(This is a copypaste of my report on their page)

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:49 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Inmost_Ego/117429

I think the genre (Melodic/Atmospheric Metal) is lacking. Melodic and Atmospheric are mainly used as descriptors of subgenres here, not as subgenres themselves. I may be wrong, though.

Gothic Rock/Metal may work. Have a listen here.
Latest EP (goth rock):
https://soundcloud.com/inmost-ego
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC-ejG ... 6S359X4iNA

From full-length (goth rock/metal?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T28G96D2VLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSpdeIt9F4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrbbWa-Akt0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Z-IQD95pA

From the demo (based on which they were accepted):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmIE72ycHhU
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PDS
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 am 
 

Hanten Kurosu wrote:
Though Finntroll are not straight up Black/Folk like Sorgsvart, they have obvious Black and Death influences and it's true (as noted by another user) it could mislead fans of bands Korpiklaani or Alestorm.
They even appear in a book about the history and concept of Black Metal (http://www.elargonauta.com/libros/histo ... 5191-20-9/), and the author is slightly elitistic.
I suggest you change it to Extreme Folk Metal or Folk Metal with Black Metal influences or Folk Metal with Blackened influences, instead of just Folk Metal.
Source/Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkVwA__Fk9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_J6cZEfXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZU5RovODg

(This is a copypaste of my report on their page)


Those that listen to folk talked amongst ourselves. Basically it was up to blackened folk metal or black/folk Metal. black/folk Metal was the agreed upon genre, but I"m doing some more listening and I can't really say there is a big 50/50 of black and folk. So I'ma go a little over my head and go with Blackened Folk.

TheUnhinged wrote:
I think the listing for As Divine Grace is kind of misleading. First of all, their early stuff was never pure death metal. It was romantic, melodic sounding death/doom like My Dying Bride or Paradise Lost. As for their later work, it's incredibly gothic sounding. When I think of "doom rock", I think of Witchcraft or Bloody Ceremony. Their first full-length, Lumo, is pretty standard gothic/doom, whereas Supremature is almost pure gothic rock/shoegaze.

I think it'd be better if their genre were changed to "Doom/Death Metal (early), Gothic/Doom Metal/Rock (later)". The latter is sort of a broad way to cover both Lumo and Supremature.

First EP (doom/death metal):
Youtube: show


Lumo (gothic/doom metal):
Youtube: show


Supremature (gothic rock):
Youtube: show


Yeah, sounds about right.

I'll try to get to the rest of these over the course of the week.
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TeskiMetal
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 pm 
 

I think classifying Shining as a straight forward Black metal band is wrong. Not because it offends me or something like that, but because I simply think it is wrong. Shining has huge Black metal influence, but there is also doom and some progressive elements in their songs. The use of varying vocal techniques such as growl,shrieks, clean and whispers give better range to their music. Also solos play big role in their sound(I'm not saying there is no solos in BM, but these solos are bit different, more melodic and kinda resemble rock music), use of samples in songs play part in their music and this reminds me of 90s experimental and progressive rock bands. And of course the production value. Black metal is known for lo-fi dirty production ( in general), but Shining really relies on strong and rich production. There are shifts in tempo, dynamics and overall feel of music all the time. They don't feel like your average black metal band. There is some kind of different mood when you listen to Shining compared to something like Vlad Tepes. My last argument will be Niklas' dislike for term Black metal. He once called his music ' Evil fucking music ' or something like that and I kinda get him. For me, calling them Progressive Black Metal or maybe even Progressive Extreme Metal would be closer to describing them than just simply Black metal.

'Proofs':

Change of pace at 1:17 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhfedoq1JT4

Whole intro( yes there are acoustic guitars and solos in BM,but nothing like this) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U48VHQQDP8o

Middle part with pianos and sampled vocals( and string section) at 1:51 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5MyNBSu7WQ

Vocal delivery at 1:25 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scZU2o542LQ

I think this is enough evidence for my case.

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OpsiusCato
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Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:42 am
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Location: Mexico
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:28 pm 
 

TeskiMetal wrote:
calling them Progressive Black Metal or maybe even Progressive Extreme Metal would be closer to describing them than just simply Black metal.

Nope. It's definitely not Progressive.
TeskiMetal wrote:
The use of varying vocal techniques such as growl, shrieks, clean and whispers give better range to their music.

That doesn't mean anything, music-wise.
TeskiMetal wrote:
They don't feel like your average black metal band. There is some kind of different mood when you listen to Shining compared to something like Vlad Tepes.

While that is true, the term "Black Metal" means a certain kind of sound. A kind of sound that, even taking into account the genre's canon, isn't that narrow of a sound. It can descrinbe lots of sounds and there's many, many ways to play Black Metal. To put it clear, Absu, Emperor, Summoning, Bethlehem, and Marduk sound completely different from each other, but all of them are Black Metal, for instance.
TeskiMetal wrote:
My last argument will be Niklas' dislike for term Black metal. He once called his music ' Evil fucking music ' or something like that and I kinda get him.

Whatever he calls his music is irrelevant. "Black Metal" is accurate enough without splitting hairs on their genre.
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Bachstein
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:34 am 
 

Bachstein wrote:
Hi mods,

I've recently listened to the new album of Inverted Serenity, and I think the genre field could be updated with the 'progressvive' tag. You can check their latest release below:
As Spectres Wither

Waiting for your comments about it.


Bumping this since one month has passed.

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Charlo
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:59 pm 
 

Inner Visions is listed as "Melodic Heavy Metal" even though it is clearly just straight Power Metal in the vein of Stratovarius. I honestly hear no heavy metal influence in any of their songs.

Youtube: show

Youtube: show
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:52 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ev ... 3540382925

This band can have "raw" removed from their genre. I don't really know what that means, but they are just a thrash metal band.

https://soundcloud.com/evilalive
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:49 pm 
 

Done.
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MegaMcTaco
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:59 pm 
 

Genre update to Espionage (https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Es ... 3540372816)

Currently listed as Heavy/Speed Metal... Should be updated to Heavy/Speed/Power Metal

Heavy Metal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBYU8OC4huU

Speed Metal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qZVlBFOmDQ

Power Metal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMquA74wf3Q

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:38 pm 
 

MegaMcTaco wrote:
Genre update to Espionage (https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Es ... 3540372816)

Currently listed as Heavy/Speed Metal... Should be updated to Heavy/Speed/Power Metal

Heavy Metal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBYU8OC4huU

Speed Metal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qZVlBFOmDQ

Power Metal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMquA74wf3Q


The current genre is accurate.

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:16 am 
 

Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:
Hexx's new album, Wrath of the Reaper, is back to the power/thrash metal style that they played on their first two albums. Their genre should probably be updated to "Power/Thrash Metal (early, later), Death Metal (mid)".

Bump.
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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:19 am 
 

TheGrimWombat wrote:
Maldicion from Chile needs to have a genre update:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... iscography

They have just released new material that is of death/black metal variety.

https://soundcloud.com/butacarecords/ma ... del-horror
https://soundcloud.com/butacarecords/ma ... uro-ritual

This is half of the new demo, and my understanding is that they have been playing this style for some time now. I am unfamiliar with the older stuff, but if it is, ineed, gothic/doom, I recommend gothic/doom metal (early); death/black metal (later)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2P1zC67VMA here is the first demo, clearly gothic/doom and the new demo tracks are clearly death/black.
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:41 am 
 

Hexx and Maldicion corrected.

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:01 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
Temisto: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Temisto/3540408237

Listed as simply "death metal" but there are a lot of jangly, galloping arpeggio riffs that are definitely closer to Ved Buens Ende than to any sort of death metal. I would call it "Black/Death Metal" or perhaps "Progressive Black/Death Metal".

Listen to their only release here: https://temisto.bandcamp.com/releases

Bump?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:11 am 
 

Changed.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:58 am 
 

Used to be some kind of metalcore, apparently, but now they write industrial/goth music.
https://itunes.apple.com/it/album/the-m ... /992418827
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540307735
They need a genre change.
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BlackMetallist2666
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:53 pm 
 

i dont know how this forum suff works but on the ravencult page it says black metal but its black thrash.
proof: http://ravencultofficial.bigcartel.com/ ... romancy-ts

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S9NE
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:12 pm 
 

BlackMetallist2666 wrote:
i dont know how this forum suff works but on the ravencult page it says black metal but its black thrash.
proof: http://ravencultofficial.bigcartel.com/ ... romancy-ts

Just a general tip: It's better to share the band's music as proof, rather than a shirt with the words "Black Thrash" printed on the back.

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Bachstein
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:31 am 
 

Bachstein wrote:
Bachstein wrote:
Hi mods,

I've recently listened to the new album of Inverted Serenity, and I think the genre field could be updated with the 'progressvive' tag. You can check their latest release below:
As Spectres Wither

Waiting for your comments about it.


Bumping this since one month has passed.


Another bumping.

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