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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:53 pm 
 

Metal Asylum wrote:
No probs, was just having in mind bands like Rotting Christ, the Genre field of whom has been divided into early, mid and late days and thought I might suggest the same.

Zodi, Opsius, Morrigan and I discussed them this week and we've reached this decision. We think it's a good compromise and it does really reflect their current sound. The goal is to keep the genres as brief and simple as possible.
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Simple and accurate, which this appears to be.
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Metal Asylum
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:58 pm 
 

Yep, cool, cheers for checking it :)

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xxXDeathcryXxx
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:40 pm 
 

Facebreaker (sweden)
MA Page: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Facebreaker/7837

Stated as thrash/death, but to me it just sounds like another typical swedish death metal band, I don't think that they belong in that tag, it's just plain death metal.

examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlE421Hu0U8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7pMmpn2huw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GMYymkNqL4

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TheUnhinged
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:45 pm 
 

Concerning Paradise Lost, I had suggested the current genre tag two years ago, and it was ignored. :-P Maybe I know a thing or two about genre labels.

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TheUnhinged wrote:
I think the genre for Czech band, Demimonde, should be updated. Their genre is currently listed as doom/death/gothic metal, which I believe is applicable to their first demo, The Warrior's Poets. However, their albums, Mutant Star and Cygnus Odyssey, are way too wacky, proggy, and weird to be tied down to that genre. If anything, it's closer to avant-garde metal than gothic/doom/death.

"Gothic/Doom/Death Metal (early), Avant-garde/Progressive Metal (later)"

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The Warrior's Poets (gothic/doom/death metal):


Mutant Star (avant-garde gothic/death metal?):





Cygnus Odyssey (avant-garde/progressive metal):





TheUnhinged wrote:
Abysmal Darkening is blackened doom metal.

Spoiler: show





Any updates on Demimonde and Abysmal Darkening?

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:00 pm 
 

Facebreaker: Changed.

Demimonde: It's like avant-garde electro-mallcore. :ugh:

Abysmal Darkening: Sounds like some sorta doom metal to me. Not hearing black metal.

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:07 pm 
 

No black metal in Abysmal Darkening.
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EpicDismemberment wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Addaura/3540303797

https://addaura.bandcamp.com/album/burn ... he-ancient

I think atmospheric should be tagged in the genre field.


Any update?

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Metal Asylum
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:24 am 
 

TheUnhinged wrote:
Concerning Paradise Lost, I had suggested the current genre tag two years ago, and it was ignored. :-P Maybe I know a thing or two about genre labels.

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I see your point, but at the same time you can't really say that Gothic Rock has any presence in the first 5 Full-lengths, or in the latest 2.

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Wings
Report: http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/610002
+ samples and suggestions.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:48 am 
 

The band Grind.bot is pretty unique as it is, but I think Cybergrind should be added to the Electronic Brutal Death Metal tag.

* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540387751
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:28 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
No black metal in Abysmal Darkening.


Zodijackyl wrote:
Facebreaker: Changed.

Demimonde: It's like avant-garde electro-mallcore. :ugh:

Abysmal Darkening: Sounds like some sorta doom metal to me. Not hearing black metal.


Ahhh you're killing me. Regular doom shouldn't have tortured screams like that. It's doom with blackish sounding vocals, hence Blackened Doom since it's an element as opposed to the primary genre.

And for Demimonde, you agree it should be changed, yeah? It certainly doesn't sound like gothic death/doom.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:29 pm 
 

We judge based upon the riffs; not necessarily whether the vocals are harsh or clean.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:30 pm 
 

Derigin wrote:
We judge based upon the riffs; not necessarily whether the vocals are harsh or clean.


I can understand that. That being said, do you also agree that this should be labelled regular doom metal instead of blackened doom?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:34 pm 
 

The band Λ S T R Λ has a wrong genre listed.

The actual genre should read "Atmospheric black metal"

https://astra1111.bandcamp.com/track/--5
https://astra1111.bandcamp.com/album/76

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Antioch
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:45 pm 
 

Lessness
Listed as Melodic Thrash/Groove Metal, but there's no thrash on the EP. I have it ripped if you want it.
The one song I could find off of the full-length isn't thrashy, either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hud8xnOXghY
Groove Metal should suffice, if not Groove/Alternative Metal. It's still acceptable, I think, but it's not thrash, and the only melodic thing about it are the Vedder-esque vocals.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:45 pm 
 

The norwegian band Tomorrow's Outlook is listed as Progressive/Power metal.

A better description would be Classic Heavy Metal, 80's Heavy Metal or just Heavy Metal. Heavy/Power Metal could also work, but they're definitely not a Progressive Power Metal band.

This misunderstanding probably comes from a song or two from their debut album where they had a song or two that was a little bit progressive. But if you check out the band they are clearly
a very straightforward heavy metal band inspired by such bands as Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and Helloween.

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Metal Asylum wrote:
TheUnhinged wrote:
Concerning Paradise Lost, I had suggested the current genre tag two years ago, and it was ignored. :-P Maybe I know a thing or two about genre labels.

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I see your point, but at the same time you can't really say that Gothic Rock has any presence in the first 5 Full-lengths, or in the latest 2.


To avoid any confusion for people new to Paradise Lost, perhaps doom/death/gothic metal (early, now), gothic rock/metal (mid) could work.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:55 pm 
 

Not really necessary. It was discussed and the decision we reached was deemed beter.
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Metal Asylum
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:47 pm 
 

colin040 wrote:
To avoid any confusion for people new to Paradise Lost, perhaps doom/death/gothic metal (early, now), gothic rock/metal (mid) could work.


Indeed, avoids confussion and isn't overcomplicated- just pointing out different eras. Whatever mods choose though, I'm fine, although it's deffinately worth considering.

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TheUnhinged
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:24 pm 
 

Metal Asylum wrote:
colin040 wrote:
To avoid any confusion for people new to Paradise Lost, perhaps doom/death/gothic metal (early, now), gothic rock/metal (mid) could work.


Indeed, avoids confussion and isn't overcomplicated- just pointing out different eras. Whatever mods choose though, I'm fine, although it's deffinately worth considering.


Here's the thing, though, they have played both styles separately and mixed together.

Lost Paradise, Gothic, and Shades of God - death/doom
Icon and Draconian Times - gothic/doom
One Second through self-titled album - gothic rock
In Requiem through Tragic Idol - gothic/doom
The Plague Within and Medusa - gothic/doom *with some death/doom sounding parts*

Their early stuff was not gothic, and the death/doom elements in their new stuff are much less prominent than they were in the first two albums. The tag as is sort of says "sometimes, they play death/doom, sometimes they play gothic metal/rock, and sometimes they play a combination of the two". I feel as if that is the most accurate way of going about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:31 pm 
 

Yup, I agree on that, I just disagree with the usage of Gothic Rock. Gothic Metal was/is prominent throughout their career, Gothic Rock, meh, not so much.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:14 pm 
 

Metal Asylum wrote:
Yup, I agree on that, I just disagree with the usage of Gothic Rock. Gothic Metal was/is prominent throughout their career, Gothic Rock, meh, not so much.




This doesn't sound metal to me.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:25 am 
 

You guys are wasting your posts by the way. We've reached a consensus about Paradise Lost and 3 mods PLUS Morrigan were included in the discussion.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:30 am 
 

Metantoine wrote:
You guys are wasting your posts by the way. We've reached a consensus about Paradise Lost and 3 mods PLUS Morrigan were included in the discussion.


I'm saying I agree with you guys. The current tag is the one I wanted. :-P

So, I take it it's a no on Abysmal Darkening. Still wanting to see a change on Demimonde, though.

TheUnhinged wrote:
I think the genre for Czech band, Demimonde, should be updated. Their genre is currently listed as doom/death/gothic metal, which I believe is applicable to their first demo, The Warrior's Poets. However, their albums, Mutant Star and Cygnus Odyssey, are way too wacky, proggy, and weird to be tied down to that genre. If anything, it's closer to avant-garde metal than gothic/doom/death.

"Gothic/Doom/Death Metal (early), Avant-garde/Progressive Metal (later)"

Spoiler: show
The Warrior's Poets (gothic/doom/death metal):


Mutant Star (avant-garde gothic/death metal?):





Cygnus Odyssey (avant-garde/progressive metal):





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TheUnhinged wrote:
Metantoine wrote:
You guys are wasting your posts by the way. We've reached a consensus about Paradise Lost and 3 mods PLUS Morrigan were included in the discussion.


I'm backing you guys up. The current tag is the one I wanted. :-P

Good. :beer:
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:31 am 
 

TheUnhinged wrote:
Metal Asylum wrote:
Yup, I agree on that, I just disagree with the usage of Gothic Rock. Gothic Metal was/is prominent throughout their career, Gothic Rock, meh, not so much.




This doesn't sound metal to me.

You posted something off ''One Second'', which, along with the following 2 Full-lengths, are moving on the same direction. OVERALL though, Gothic Rock isn't as promiment as, say, Gothic Metal.

Since a consensus was reached, I really don't mind. It was recently brought up again and I just spent my 2 cents.

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Defated

Their first EP is pretty straight Metalcore with minor electonic influences.

In 2014, however, they started to include more and more Electronic stuff in their music leading to something they call "Electrocore".

Songs from debut album (2017):
Utopia
Repeat

2014 Demo
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DAI are labeled as a death metal band on the archives, but upon listening to them I'd say they're far more than that. :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ifq_Q7CnCg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BK5zC0FEs4

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:01 pm 
 

EpicDismemberment wrote:


Bump.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:19 pm 
 

I realized that the band is classified as Black Metal Avant Garde, although the last Ep of the band shows a more drawn sound for Death / Crust. It has a battery with a D-Beat footprint reminding much the band Fukpig.

Bandcamp Ep:https://omfalos.bandcamp.com/album/fallacy

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https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ph ... eign/98860

Sounds like standard Heavy Metal to me, mid-paced thoughout (can't be speed), no synths (can't be euro-power), and tends to lack the over-the-top drive of US-power.

stream of their one full-length:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... xW_ItewA9g

if you can't listen to that (blocked where I live):
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:32 am 
 

I hope a mod views this post. I think the current genre for Anaal Nathrakh should be changed to technical black metal or blackened technical grindcore. I don't think the term industrial is the correct moniker. Also, the genre, "technical black metal" isn't used enough.

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TheConqueror1 wrote:
I hope a mod views this post. I think the current genre for Anaal Nathrakh should be changed to technical black metal or blackened technical grindcore. I don't think the term industrial is the correct moniker. Also, the genre, "technical black metal" isn't used enough.


I think that Technical Black Metal contradcits the genre itself, because black metal is a simplistic genre, Idk what the admins think tho.

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I got two bands that might need a change in their genre field, the first one is Pagan Reign (Folk Metal), while their music is in theory folk metal, the riffs are very black metal, same with the vocals and drumming, I would say that "Folk/Black Metal" or "Pagan Black Metal" would fit better for this band. Their 2004 album is a good example: https://morehate.bandcamp.com/album/des ... gone-faith

The second is Acid Drinkers (Thrash Metal/Crossover). I'm not an expert in crossover and I haven't heard a lot, but I think that some of their stuff (mainly the songs in the 1994 album Infernal Connection) is kind of groove (or even nu) metal too. Here are some songs from the album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cEyZIEQH20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D46_FQQNCXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzBxxhnFzI
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PaganiusI wrote:
Defated

Their first EP is pretty straight Metalcore with minor electonic influences.

In 2014, however, they started to include more and more Electronic stuff in their music leading to something they call "Electrocore".

Songs from debut album (2017):
Utopia
Repeat

2014 Demo


Changed.

colin040 wrote:
DAI are labeled as a death metal band on the archives, but upon listening to them I'd say they're far more than that. :p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ifq_Q7CnCg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BK5zC0FEs4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LXxXtg2omA


I need to listen to more of this, since the songs you posted was basically two death metal songs and an atmospheric interlude. I'll get to more of this one later.

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EpicDismemberment wrote:


Bump.


Changed.

TheConqueror1 wrote:
I hope a mod views this post. I think the current genre for Anaal Nathrakh should be changed to technical black metal or blackened technical grindcore. I don't think the term industrial is the correct moniker. Also, the genre, "technical black metal" isn't used enough.


The genre is fine as it is.

BuriedUnborn wrote:
TheConqueror1 wrote:
I hope a mod views this post. I think the current genre for Anaal Nathrakh should be changed to technical black metal or blackened technical grindcore. I don't think the term industrial is the correct moniker. Also, the genre, "technical black metal" isn't used enough.


I think that Technical Black Metal contradcits the genre itself, because black metal is a simplistic genre, Idk what the admins think tho.

-

I got two bands that might need a change in their genre field, the first one is Pagan Reign (Folk Metal), while their music is in theory folk metal, the riffs are very black metal, same with the vocals and drumming, I would say that "Folk/Black Metal" or "Pagan Black Metal" would fit better for this band. Their 2004 album is a good example: https://morehate.bandcamp.com/album/des ... gone-faith

The second is Acid Drinkers (Thrash Metal/Crossover). I'm not an expert in crossover and I haven't heard a lot, but I think that some of their stuff (mainly the songs in the 1994 album Infernal Connection) is kind of groove (or even nu) metal too. Here are some songs from the album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cEyZIEQH20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D46_FQQNCXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzBxxhnFzI


Pagan Reign changed to "Folk/Pagan Black Metal" I'm listening to the earliest album and it seem like the amount of folk influences changes depending album.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:21 am 
 

Nightrage's Genre requires the addition of Metalcore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JN6nIB-Gc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv4YI_6hfRs
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Metal Asylum wrote:
I see your point, but at the same time you can't really say that Gothic Rock has any presence in the first 5 Full-lengths, or in the latest 2.


...

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Almost blatantly stupid enough for me to sig, but not quite.

This guy needs to keep posting, sooner or later he's bound to say something that's comedy gold.

I'm hoping for something along the lines of "there's no Sabbath influence in doom metal." :-D
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:46 pm 
 

Yes, quite, thank you for your input in a finished conversation from one month ago.

If it isn't about the changing of a genre or comment on a changing of a genre, please refrain from these type of comments in this section. We don't need the peanut gallery.

In other news:

Metal Asylum wrote:


I don't know, I'm just doing a cursory listen and it just sounds like typical Gothenburg MDM, I don't think it really requires the "Metalcore".
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Yeah it's really just the post-Clayman style of melodeath that metalcore usually mixes with. The Black Dahlia Murder had this same problem all the time (despite being 100x heavier than Nightrage), when you take out the breakdowns and clean vocals and extensive post-hardcore elements, you're just left with the metal half of metalcore, which is pretty much by definition not metalcore anymore. Yeah, it's probably the lightest style of metal this side of prog but it's still just plain old melodeath.
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simonitro
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:29 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Alm%C3%B4ra/3943

Almôra

I believe this band's sound is more leaning towards Symphonic Gothic/POWER Metal especially on their third album "Shehrâzad"

Proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDvJNucqVcU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwEMaJyt_3c

Those two songs do sound more Power Metal than Gothic even on their debut has this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_2PmAk0pjM

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