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~Guest 62838
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:27 pm 
 

Viral wrote:
Abhorer's Unholy Blasphemer is considered a bootleg by the band. I found this on their official MySpace: "A BIG FUCK OFF TO XTREEM MUSIC FOR RELEASING A PIRATE CD OF OUR MATERIAL!!!"

So maybe a mod could get around to deleting it from their page.

This is it, by the way: http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=210910

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:36 am 
 

Borgarholt wrote:
RE: Borgarholt/ Frostskorg split release

This cd never got "released" as the guy from Likmarkji is a rip off!

We decided not to try and find someone else to release the split.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:17 am 
 

Sorry to be a pain about this, but can some please confirm whether or not that Abhorer release is legit? It's been dismissed by the band as a bootleg, but it's still in their discography.

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kampfplatz666
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:32 pm 
 

Bootlegs are not accepted, but in Evil's discography there are some.

According to OFFICIAL EVIL'S MYSPACE, runned by Warlord:

Bootleg Releases:
"War Metal Holocaust" - Demo 1995
Rehearsal Demo 1995
Rehearsal Demo 1996
"Nocturnal Rites Of The Black Pentagram" - Demo 1998
"Holocollection Vol.1" Best of/Compilation 2000
"Only the War is Hygiene of the World" - split 2002

(Can I correct this and earn some points, or is it just moderator's work?...)

Enciclopedia Metallum's Evil's Discography: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9623
Evil's Official Myspace runned by Warlord: http://www.myspace.com/evilbm


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jonas666
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:49 am 
 

why Slayer(US) "demos" are added to discography???? This band never ever released any demo.Thats official.Discography is fake.As well as Metallica most "demos" and lot's more.metal-archives have wrong discography section with thouzens fake demos.

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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:57 pm 
 

jonas666 wrote:
why Slayer(US) "demos" are added to discography???? This band never ever released any demo.Thats official.Discography is fake.As well as Metallica most "demos" and lot's more.metal-archives have wrong discography section with thouzens fake demos.

To quote Philip Best: "Your Zen Is Shit". As is your Engrish.
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Distrusted
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:07 pm 
 

Why isn't "Vomit from Helvete" by Mayhem (Nor) added?
It's official, according to the band and the label.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:31 pm 
 

Distrusted wrote:
Why isn't "Vomit from Helvete" by Mayhem (Nor) added?
It's official, according to the band and the label.


Official discography:
http://www.myspace.com/officialmayhem
There is only a split tape with Vomit, which was released independently, not a label release with such name.

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Distrusted
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:26 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Distrusted wrote:
Why isn't "Vomit from Helvete" by Mayhem (Nor) added?
It's official, according to the band and the label.


Official discography:
http://www.myspace.com/officialmayhem
There is only a split tape with Vomit, which was released independently, not a label release with such name.


http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... truemayhem

That's the official Mayhem Forums, and if in doubt, why not ask the band themselfs?

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:57 am 
 

Distrusted wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Distrusted wrote:
Why isn't "Vomit from Helvete" by Mayhem (Nor) added?
It's official, according to the band and the label.


Official discography:
http://www.myspace.com/officialmayhem
There is only a split tape with Vomit, which was released independently, not a label release with such name.


http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... truemayhem

That's the official Mayhem Forums, and if in doubt, why not ask the band themselfs?

I am not in doubt, since the release is not listed in official discography.
When it will change, it can be reconsidered.
Forum talk does not interest me at all.

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Wargnattallfihrr
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:29 am 
 

IMMORTAL / AMPUTATION - Split Demo

released by Columbian Terrorists Records in 33 pieces, featuring Amputations "Slaughtered in the Arms of God" Demo and Immortals "Promo 91".

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kampfplatz666
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:44 am 
 

Bootlegs are not accepted, but in Evil's discography there are some.

According to OFFICIAL EVIL'S MYSPACE, runned by Warlord:

Bootleg Releases:
"War Metal Holocaust" - Demo 1995
Rehearsal Demo 1995
Rehearsal Demo 1996
"Nocturnal Rites Of The Black Pentagram" - Demo 1998
"Holocollection Vol.1" Best of/Compilation 2000
"Only the War is Hygiene of the World" - split 2002

Enciclopedia Metallum's Evil's Discography: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9623

Evil's Official Myspace runned by Warlord: http://www.myspace.com/evilbm

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mrchris
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:11 am 
 

Posting it once is enough, kampfplatz666.
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HeroinAddikt
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:44 am 
 

Black Wood [rus] - Ignis ov Draconis Nigra

I am guessing this is a bootleg, my submission of this CD was rejected.

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:05 am 
 

HeroinAddikt wrote:
Black Wood [rus] - Ignis ov Draconis Nigra

I am guessing this is a bootleg, my submission of this CD was rejected.

I guess you have found it in the internet. Have you ever heard any Black Wood (Rus) albums? If you do, then you would realize that it's not their album. Judging from song titles, it's supposed to be Black Wood (Per) release, but there's no mentioning about it on their website, so it looks like some internet bootleg. Some moron posted it for download and said that it's Russian band, and you were not the first who have added it to Black Wood (Rus) page (or were it you both times?), at least two times I've reported about its deletion in the past. Black Wood (Rus) hasn't released anything after "Kill Me Satan".

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Shadoeking
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:11 pm 
 

I tried searching but I couldn't find anything on this. Is the recent Burzum anthology released by Candlelight Records considered a bootleg?

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Nordic_Warhammer
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:19 pm 
 

Since Enthroned (Bel) do not consider their boxed set to be official shouldn't it be removed from the list of albums? It seems like the same kind of situation as Behemoth's regarding their boxed set, some DVD and other such things.
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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:33 pm 
 

Yes, it was even written in the notes and the box doesn't appear in their official discography. Gone.

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MMisantropo
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:47 pm 
 

If the label has the rights over the releases, should it matter to us what the band thinks? That kind of stuff happens all the time.

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:01 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=78625

Bootleg?

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Alex
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:37 pm 
 

dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=78625

Bootleg?


Metal Enterprises... weird as fuck:
http://www.thecorroseum.com/features/me ... prises.htm

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Mieresch
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:30 pm 
 

Alex wrote:
dust666 wrote:
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=78625

Bootleg?


Metal Enterprises... weird as fuck:
http://www.thecorroseum.com/features/me ... prises.htm


Hmm... interesting... Well i guess the album should be deleted from the Killer Fox page. It wasn't even the band who made it. I don't think M.A. had a situation like this before. If that fake album is metal, should there be a separate page for fake killer fox? After all that was a band as well, with a physical release. Waiting for a mod :)

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Nightgaunt
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:04 pm 
 

Yes, an unusual situation, indeed. I will remove the album from the Killer Fox page. As for whether or not the doppelganger release deserves a page, I personally think it pretty clearly does not. Aside from the fact that album may not be very metal (according to the article), and that the site's format really has no way of dealing with this (beyond making a note of the matter on the Killer Fox page, and any other pages which may be involved), information for a suitable page is, of course, lacking. One might even go so far as to argue that the group that recorded this doesn't even really qualify as a "band" (perhaps the most fundamental of all requirements for a page here), having no identity of any kind outside of its usurpation of the Killer Fox name. Of course, one could also try to settle the case on expressly legalistic grounds--e.g. for all we know, the label could've owned the name, and thus had the right to call any group of primates it could throw together as "Killer Fox"--but in this case, I think that pragmatics ought to trump legal minutiae.
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Alex
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:54 pm 
 

I think it shouldn't be on here as well (same reason, not being a band and all) - however, just in case this should ever become an issue (as unlikely that might be), there's a lengthy excerpt from the album on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt7fvbmhX2k

And Thrash Queen - Ashes to Ashes can be deleted then as well, btw:
http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=135843

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~Guest 62838
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:29 pm 
 

Sorry for bringing this up again...but I really would like some mod insight on Abhorer's Unholy Blasphemer release. It's a bootleg denounced by the band. I inquired about this in the past and never got an answer.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:31 pm 
 

Deleted.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:35 pm 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
Deleted.

Thank you. :)

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MDeth
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:19 pm 
 

Does anybody here knows about a Vendetta - Brain Damage bootleg?

And I must say, the new Korn album is a great bootleg!

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Fulgurius
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:38 am 
 

Ildjarn - "Son of the Northstar":
http://metal-archives.com/release.php?id=2998
it says "Considered a bootleg by the artist", so is it an exception or what?

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:17 pm 
 

Artists can consider some albums as bootlegs because they didn't want to see it released, even though the label had a contract with them and it's a legal release. You can't take the artist's word for everything.

That said, I'm not sure if that album should be deleted or not. If it was indeed released without his knowledge, it should probably by deleted, though it might be the case that FMP only bought the rights from Freezing Records and decided to release it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:25 pm 
 

Hey, someone re-added the Unholy Blasphemer release to Abhorer's discography. When deleted, a note should be written informing people to not add it again for a third time.

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Evenfiel
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:07 pm 
 

Viral wrote:
Hey, someone re-added the Unholy Blasphemer release to Abhorer's discography. When deleted, a note should be written informing people to not add it again for a third time.

It seems it's not a bootleg:
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=abhorer

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fukkwitt
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:46 pm 
 

Evenfiel wrote:
Artists can consider some albums as bootlegs because they didn't want to see it released, even though the label had a contract with them and it's a legal release. You can't take the artist's word for everything.

That said, I'm not sure if that album should be deleted or not. If it was indeed released without his knowledge, it should probably by deleted, though it might be the case that FMP only bought the rights from Freezing Records and decided to release it.


Wasn't Freezing a sub-label of FMP? I believe the artist got a few copies as payment. Either way, it was listed on his old site.

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fukkwitt
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:47 pm 
 

Distrusted wrote:
Why isn't "Vomit from Helvete" by Mayhem (Nor) added?
It's official, according to the band and the label.


Not official. Anyone can make a boot and write 'official' on it. Doesn't mean that it is actually official.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:52 pm 
 

fukkwitt wrote:
Wasn't Freezing a sub-label of FMP? I believe the artist got a few copies as payment. Either way, it was listed on his old site.

Well, it's still listed here, and if it was on his old site, then I guess it should stay.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:12 pm 
 

Yeah, I agree. There are countless releases that could be counted as boots or unofficial in one form another (like 'release was delayed, artist not informed, label went bankrupt before payment of royalties, artist pissed at label because of whatever reason', and so forth) without becoming actual bootlegs in the true sense.
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ralfman
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:39 am 
 

About:
Brutality "Metamorphasis - Dimension Demented"

Their page indicates that it is official... at least they include it on their discography...

http://originalbrutality.tripod.com/music/

I guess it should be added. No?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:55 am 
 

ralfman wrote:
About:
Brutality "Metamorphasis - Dimension Demented"

Their page indicates that it is official... at least they include it on their discography...

http://originalbrutality.tripod.com/music/

I guess it should be added. No?

No, read the 2008 interview with Jeff Acres. Only the myspace page is correct.

The old page has some false info from Larry Sapp.

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ok (...just saw it on eBay...)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:34 am 
 

fukkwitt wrote:
Evenfiel wrote:
Artists can consider some albums as bootlegs because they didn't want to see it released, even though the label had a contract with them and it's a legal release. You can't take the artist's word for everything.

That said, I'm not sure if that album should be deleted or not. If it was indeed released without his knowledge, it should probably by deleted, though it might be the case that FMP only bought the rights from Freezing Records and decided to release it.


Wasn't Freezing a sub-label of FMP? I believe the artist got a few copies as payment. Either way, it was listed on his old site.
Freezing and FMP are separate entities. I recently got this CD off eBay and I believe Ildjarn took issue with it due to poor quality. Really one of the worst releases I've ever seen. Booklet is a single one-side panel. Logo on the cover is clearly pixelated and blurred. Ildjarn probably decide it wasn't official on those grounds - did not measure up to an acceptable release. Or so my theory goes.

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