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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:03 pm 
 

...on we go...

Insignificant name change #4: Personal War -> Perzonal War
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283787
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2209
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:10 pm 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=108152
...has no own releases, only the re-release of the Priestess demo.
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Zoldaten_ov_Zatan
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:27 pm 
 

EntilZha wrote:
...on we go...

Insignificant name change #4: Personal War -> Perzonal War
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283787
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2209


What? That's legit! Desperados and Dezperadoz are totally different bands!
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Fanfarigoule
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:32 pm 
 

Zoldaten_ov_Zatan wrote:
EntilZha wrote:
...on we go...

Insignificant name change #4: Personal War -> Perzonal War
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540283787
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2209


What? That's legit! Desperados and Dezperadoz are totally different bands!

What has Dezperadoz to do here? He is talking about Personal War, can you read? Besides, Desperados and Dezperadoz ARE the same band.

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Zoldaten_ov_Zatan
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:36 pm 
 

*whoosh*
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BlackMetalGirl
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:12 pm 
 

Hi guys,

I'm quite sure (but 100%) that these two bands are the same band:

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=89384
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=111427

Good work,
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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:52 am 
 

Deleted Nebelhexë, not metal.

Also Troll Gnet El, the band is absolutely not metal, folk rock at best.

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:26 pm 
 

Two Vinterriket side-projects, neither of which has ever released anything on a label with worldwide distribution:

Nebelkorona - http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=24024
Atomtrakt - http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=26986
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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:09 pm 
 

Xyxyxma

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default ... dID=172896

What do you think? I love drone, but this doesn't seem close to drone doom, not even to borderline bands like Sunn, its just a constant guitar feedback noise.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:08 pm 
 

Solution .45 nothing released yet?
Their debut album will be released on April 9th 2010.

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Amnael
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:43 pm 
 

Piotr_Bojka wrote:
Solution .45 nothing released yet?
Their debut album will be released on April 9th 2010.


Actually, their album has been already released in Japan.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=MICP-10910

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:46 pm 
 

:brick::brick::brick::brick::brick::brick::brick::brick::brick:

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:47 pm 
 

...
sorry
who added this first time then you should do this second time

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Drowned
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:34 am 
 

I've removed the band Cerberus from Clifton, New Jersey (progressive hard rock).

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TheGrimWombat
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:08 pm 
 

Whoever deleted Engel from Sweden, you are awesome.
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crusthead
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:39 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
I have deleted Satanic Army, apparently there are no physical releases (no wonder).


:mad:
Does anyone have a link to where I can download the infamous demos... from both incarnations of the band (Satanic Army and 666satanic Army 666.)

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:08 am 
 

crusthead wrote:
Witcher wrote:
I have deleted Satanic Army, apparently there are no physical releases (no wonder).


:mad:
Does anyone have a link to where I can download the infamous demos... from both incarnations of the band (Satanic Army and 666satanic Army 666.)

http://satanicarmy.ic.cz/
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crusthead
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:22 pm 
 

^ Ah, thanks! Someone PMd me the link a bit earlier, but thanks anyway! :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:55 am 
 

crusthead wrote:
^ Ah, thanks! Someone PMd me the link a bit earlier, but thanks anyway! :)

of course we expect an in-depth analysis from you. Posted on a site of your preference.
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crusthead
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:52 am 
 

^ huh? I dont understand... :confused:

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:21 am 
 

^ you did not see the irony tags ... a what a pity.
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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=39617

The band has published two Demos:
- Kill to Exist
- Pursuit of Happiness

and now look here:
http://www.deatholation.de/pages/de/demoarchiv.shtml

I doubt this is a coincidence... and when you read the news section, then you will only find recording sessions but not a real demo mentioned.

I would say: no release.

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are they really metal enough:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=40989

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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=42881
I say this is a fake band ...
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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:30 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=42881
I say this is a fake band ...

It IS fake: the band's photo is a photo of Malefic (of Xasthur).

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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:25 pm 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
oneyoudontknow wrote:
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http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=42881
I say this is a fake band ...

It IS fake: the band's photo is a photo of Malefic (of Xasthur).

It is not only the picture ... it is the band name.

Österreichische Forst... shall I laugh or what?
An Austrian band with such a retarded name, which has also a graven grammar error on it. To me it sounds like a translation from an English name: Austrian Forest or Austrian Woods... something like that.

Moreover, you can also find no clear evidence that the band exist... there is only this one link to the Tartarean one.
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Sleazer777
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:07 am 
 

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=41059

Not Metal.No WW Distro.

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I'm pretty sure that's an exception to the rules because of the LLN association.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:59 am 
 

iamntbatman wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's an exception to the rules because of the LLN association.


????????

Rule No 5

5) Must be a heavy metal band...

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...Or close enough.
As simple as this request may be, it involves a huge debate. None of us here think we’re a supreme authority on all things heavy metal. However, since someone has to draw a line somewhere – after all, if we accepted just about anything it wouldn’t be the Encyclopaedia Metallum anymore – we’ll have to be the one to decide whether or not your submission is valid. So this is perhaps the most important point (other than truthful information), because it can save some people a lot of time they would spend on a submission that will simply get rejected. At worst, non-neutral descriptions can be edited, but this is different.
Now...
We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

* Side-projects of metal band members (ex: Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's)
Note that side-projects will only be eligible if they have at least one release on a label with worldwide distribution (to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).
* Bands that are no longer metal, but are/were still generally recognized as metal bands (ex: Burzum, Metallica)
* Grindcore if it's close enough to death metal (ex: Carcass, Napalm Death)

We do NOT accept the following (this is our decision, please don't argue this):

* Mallcore, also known as "nu-metal" by some (ex: Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit, Drowning Pool, Slipknot)
* Metalcore, unless it's clearly more metal than core (e.g Shadows Fall, The Red Chord, Killswitch Engage are OK: Avenged Sevenfold, Atreyu, Bullet For My Valentine are NOT). If you are uncertain, best avoid metalcore bands altogether.
* Glam rock (ex: Poison, Whitesnake, KISS)
* Classic rock (ex: Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep)
* Progressive rock (ex: Yes, King Crimson, The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard)
* Hard rock (ex: Guns 'N Roses, AC/DC, Alice Cooper)
* Hardcore (ex: Earth Crisis, Converge)
* Grindcore (and all its variants; noise, crust, etc) with little to zero metal influence (ex: Anal Cunt, Libido Airbag)
* Punk (ex: The Misfits, The Ramones, The Sex Pistols)
* Gothic rock (ex: Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy, Fields of Nephilim)
* Industrial (ex: Nine Inch Nails, Rammstein, KMFDM, N17)
* Cover/tribute/gimmick bands (ex: The Iron Maidens, Catch the Rainbow), unless they start as such and eventually write their own music

Now, as mentioned earlier, we do not know all the bands in existence. If you wish to submit a band local to your area that is not very well-known even among metalheads, you’re more than welcome. But we may have never heard them, or of them, and we cannot always know for sure if they’re really a metal band or not, so we’ll have to take your word for it. So if you aren't sure, you can always ask us, or other people, before spending time to submit the band. At worst, someone may report a band that shouldn't be here, but that escaped the moderator's notice.

We ask this, not because we’re so insecure that we’ll go crazy if we ever learn there’s <gasp> one band that was accepted by mistake, but we just don’t want any “Hey, they’re not metal and they are on your site, why isn’t band X too?” reactions.
(Warning: long rambling ahead, but before you start complaining to us, read this...)

Now... let us elaborate on certain things which are apparently controversial, ambiguous or unclear to some members.
- Mötley Crüe, Deep Purple, Rainbow and Rush are not considered metal by some. Understandable, as their music and heaviness varied and was debatable at times. But what they sometimes lacked in "metalness", they made for in historical importance, and they are there to stay. That doesn't mean we're going to accept any glam or hippie rock bands though, and they are about as "borderline" as we are going to have.
They are exceptions. You might not agree. Tough shit. :p
- Side-projects are a big debate. When does a band stop being one and starts being a full-time band? What's the difference between a solo career and a side-project, etc. Now, a side-project is a band started in parallel to another band. This is not the same thing as a band member leaving a band and forming a new one, or to join another band! For example, Soulfly is no more a side-project of Max Cavalera as Voivod is a side-project of Jason Newsted.
One might argue that a band can start as such but can stop being one if the main band splits-up. Or that while it's reasonable to have Wongraven or Chaostar, that a country band started by a Flotsam & Jetsam member would simply look out of place on a metal site. Our answer is that we have no choice but to go with a case by case approach. It might be a little arbitrary, but it's hard to define a rule that will apply for every case of a non-metal side-project. Yes, that might mean you'll have to ask us before submitting this guy's side-project. Usually there shouldn't be any problem, but if the side-project really has nothing to do with the heavy metal scene and/or would really look out of place here, chances are, it won't be accepted.
- Additionally, there will be some non-metal bands featured on the site that we feel are still part of the metal scene despite not being metal themselves (usually darkwave, ambient, neo-classical and/or folk bands, examples being Mortiis, Elend, Autumn Tears, Stille Volk, etc). These bands are selected by the moderators in an admittedly arbitrary fashion, and their submission by normal users is discouraged. Please bear with us on this.

Be careful if you submit a band with an ambiguous genre!
Over the past months we've sometimes seen some bands listed as a genre that would seem fitting, but upon hearing the actual band we've had some pretty bad surprises... So consider the following genres to be "ambiguous", in the sense that if we see a band with one of these terms in their genre field, we WILL have to hear the band, or at least read more than one detailed review, before accepting it.

* Heavy/traditional/80's metal, hard rock, rock or a combination of these. Many of so-called "heavy metal" band submissions ended up being rock, glam or even mallcore bands!
* NWOBHM - a lot of 80's UK rock and AOR bands got lumped into the NWOBHM category, even if they weren't metal
* Melodic metal - often another term for "hard rock"
* Grindcore - Death/grind = OK. Noisegrind, crustcore, jazz/grind, heavy punk/hardcore, etc. = Not OK.
* Metalcore - Be VERY wary. Most of these get rejected, simply because they're hardcore with some metal influences. That doesn't make a band metal!
* Progressive/avant-garde - Could mean anything, really ;) Also, there is a difference between prog rock and prog METAL. We've even had near-mallcore bands listed as such.
* Gothic metal - some people confuse goth music, darkwave or Depeche Mode soundalikes with gothic metal, for some reason
* Crossover - can have the same problem as metalcore, although they generally aren't rejected as often
* Stoner, sludge - same as progressive. There is stoner rock and there is stoner metal.
* Industrial - if it sounds like Rammstein or Nine Inch Nails, forget it
* Dark metal - could mean anything...
* Shred - varies from metal to borderline hard rock to jazzy rock

Note that these are not automatic rejections - they just make the moderators wary :) Just don't be TOO surprised if your favorite grind/metalcore industrial crossover dark metal band gets rejected. :p Especially if we cannot find information or samples. There was a time when we just took your word for it, and the Encyclopaedia was thus cluttered with bands that simply didn't belong there.
Mistakes happen, even with the mods. But note that if you persist in breaking the rules, you might lose points. Depending on the moderator on duty, the amount may vary.

Hopefully this is clear enough! If you have any questions, you can ask the moderators on the message board, but some of us are sick of repeating ourself, so don't take it personally if we don't answer your "Why do you say nu-metal isn't metal?!" or whatever. Keep in mind that the rules of what is accepted or not were ultimately decided by HellBlazer (the mastermind and founder of the Encyclopaedia) and "put on paper" (or rather, screen?) by Morrigan (the co-webmaster). The moderators have given counsel and suggestions but they merely enforce the rules - some of them don't agree with them 100%, but they will do their job! However, they are only humans, and they all have slightly different opinions.

Nobody asks you to completely agree with us. A lot of these decisions could be debated for hours (time that few of us have). Definitions aren't always set in stone, and this is just a website to allow people to lookup information - no need throw a fit because a band you wanted there didn't make it... :) Please understand that we try our best to not have double-standards, but what may seem like an inconsistency to you would make perfect sense to another and so on. We cannot please everyone.


No LLN or another shit is mentioned.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:11 am 
 

:durr:
Sleazer777 wrote:
5) Must be a heavy metal band...

Quote:
- Additionally, there will be some non-metal bands featured on the site that we feel are still part of the metal scene despite not being metal themselves (usually darkwave, ambient, neo-classical and/or folk bands, examples being Mortiis, Elend, Autumn Tears, Stille Volk, etc). These bands are selected by the moderators in an admittedly arbitrary fashion, and their submission by normal users is discouraged. Please bear with us on this.

And anyway, the owners do not need any rule if they want to have a band here. It's their website and they can make what they want.

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Sleazer777
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:30 am 
 

Quote:
And anyway, the owners do not need any rule if they want to have a band here. It's their website and they can make what they want.


I just reported band,and there were no additional notes that this band is here under M-A owners will.So the owners should do some kind of List with such bands or add something in Additional Notes section and save OUR time.

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Witcher
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:52 pm 
 

Magic Bullet Records is a small indie label with no worldwide distribution.
All the Darkest Hour side projects were deleted.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:36 pm 
 

Borutha - Black Metal from Warsaw, Poland. Fake band.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:36 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Ungl'Unl'Rrlh'Chchch - not metal
Trollmann av Ildtoppberg - not metal

Aren't these acceptable under the side project rule? Both are side projects of Dave Terry (Bong), and have widespread distribution.
http://www.skullsofheaven.com/index.php?alpha=t

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:10 am 
 

unclevladistav wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Ungl'Unl'Rrlh'Chchch - not metal
Trollmann av Ildtoppberg - not metal

Aren't these acceptable under the side project rule? Both are side projects of Dave Terry (Bong), and have widespread distribution.
http://www.skullsofheaven.com/index.php?alpha=t

No, they are not on a label with world distribution.
Besides that, Trollman was not a side project, but a pre-Bong band and the scond band his side project to his non-metal band Trollman.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:27 am 
 

Ah ok, that explains it then.

A while ago I submitted "At the Head of the Woods", an ambient side project of James Woodhead (Blood of the Black Owl). This is still going, and definitely is a side poject. How do you determine if a label has worldwide distribution?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:31 am 
 

unclevladistav wrote:
Ah ok, that explains it then.

A while ago I submitted "At the Head of the Woods", an ambient side project of James Woodhead (Blood of the Black Owl). This is still going, and definitely is a side poject. How do you determine if a label has worldwide distribution?

It must have direct distribution in shops around the world, not just online ordering.

Examples -Earache, Peaceville, Nuclear Blast, Limb Music, Massacre Records, Century Media and so on.
If you are not sure, stick to reasonably metal bands.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:07 am 
 

Am I crazy, or has the band (I use the term loosely) Azordan been removed or deleted from the archives? If this is true, you have my deepest thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:51 am 
 

CrushedRevelation wrote:
Am I crazy, or has the band (I use the term loosely) Azordan been removed or deleted from the archives? If this is true, you have my deepest thanks.

There was never a band called Azordan in the archives, if you mean Azordon, then it's still here.

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PiotrB
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:43 pm 
 

Rarog (Pol), Vampyric Hunger and Barad Dur (Pol).
Three bands made by Nazgrim from Titan Mountain.
All of them are not metal.

Samples :
http://www.nazgrim.republika.pl/download.html
http://rarog.mp3.wp.pl/

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stilgar90
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:59 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
unclevladistav wrote:
Witcher wrote:
Ungl'Unl'Rrlh'Chchch - not metal
Trollmann av Ildtoppberg - not metal

Aren't these acceptable under the side project rule? Both are side projects of Dave Terry (Bong), and have widespread distribution.
http://www.skullsofheaven.com/index.php?alpha=t

No, they are not on a label with world distribution.
Besides that, Trollman was not a side project, but a pre-Bong band and the scond band his side project to his non-metal band Trollman.


What about them? http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=16303

Trollmann worship, some songs here: http://www.aardtmann.tk/

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:36 pm 
 

Okay, red flags are going up right now.

I tried submitting a band from my city named Armoured Assault ( http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540303161 ) back in February. Despite having a demo (pictured here, on the right: http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/ ... ure077.jpg ) my submission was denied, despite linking to interviews (here: http://www.uptownmag.com/2009-08-27/page4478.aspx ) which state they had a professionally done demo.

Now, this user wojty666 (link: http://metal-archives.com/userprofile.php?user=wojty666 ) submitted the band with infactual information and less information than I had and they were accepted. How did he do it? He posted their "album art" (they have none, all demos were handed out for free in the slipcases as posted in my picture) and they were NOT limited to 50 copies, as wojty666 put in the entry - the band burns a few for each show and hands them out for fee, and they haven't kept track of #'s.

This is an obvious abuse by a well-established member, as his information is both WRONG, FALSE and MISLEADING. I am cross-posting this in the point whores discussion in the hopes that something is done.

thank you,
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:53 am 
 

http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540304391

Is this really metal?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O8LU77HW

(I took them from here: http://vk.com/club16703945, I left out one track from the page because it seems like an ambient intro or something)

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