On 2023-11-24 13:47:23, I changed the band's themes from "Anti-Abrahamic religions, Cruelty, Depravity, Perversions, Misanthropy" to "Anti-Judeo-Christianity, Cruelty, Depravity, Perversions, Misanthropy, War". On 2023-12-05 19:12:19, the moderator OpsiusCato changed "Anti-Judeo-Christianity" back to "Anti-Abrahamic religions". He decided to keep the "War" theme that I added, because it's a common pattern in their lyrics.

First of all, before even listening to Clandestine Blaze and reading their lyrics, we can read some sources like Wikipedia. According to Wikipedia: "Mikko Aspa is part of the Finnish National Socialist black metal scene, and has expressed racism, antisemitism, white supremacy, and social Darwinism in his lyrics on Clandestine Blaze". We can also see some anti-Judeo-Christian and somewhat antisemitic artwork from Clandestine Blaze: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/C ... ._1/223042

Now, if we read the lyrics, it's obvious that the band focuses on Jews and Christians, exclusively opposing both Judaism and Christianity (thus making the band anti-Judeo-Christian). Some of their songs are also antisemitic and racist. I'll give some examples:



Chambers (Anti-Judeo-Christianity, Antisemitism, possibly National Socialism/praising the Holocaust):
"Living Flesh On The Row
Heading Towards Certain Death
Chambers Full Of Zyklon-B
Ready For Mass Extermination

Sheep Without Will To Fight
Illusion Of Salvation
They Have Submit To The Destiny
Holocaust Of The Weak

Gas Among The People
Exposes True Raw Nature
Sacred Beliefs Forgotten
Bestial Side Of Man Revealed

In Chambers Full Of Zyklon-B
Christians Cry For jesus
In Chambers Full of Zyklon-B
Jews Cry For god"



Tearing Down Jerusalem (Anti-Judaism, Anti-Zionism, possibly Antisemitism):
"Strike to the holy city
Crush Jerusalem
Torture the followers
Of weakening god
Let the blood stream
Through dirty streets
Zionist cancer
Faces zero tolerance"



Night of the Unholy Flames (Anti-Judeo-Christianity, possibly Antisemitism):
"Synagogues And Temples
Church's Buildings
All Set In Fire During the Night
Nothing Is To Be Saved"



Raping Baby Jesus (Anti-Judeo-Christianity, possibly Antisemitism):
"In scent of animal feces
Barn in land of Jew
From blood cunt of Holy Mary
Miracle infant rises"



Nation of God (Anti-Judaism, Anti-Zionism, possibly Antisemitism):
"They see the biblical promises coming true
You'll see rotten faith filthy Zionist conspiracy"



Evocation Under Starlit Sky (Anti-Judaism, Anti-Zionism, possibly Antisemitism):
"Those under spell of Zion
Still tails between their legs
Hide their faces in fear
When our teeth are exposed"



The Voice of Our Mythical Past (Anti-Judaism, possibly Antisemitism):
"Those commandment Moses had issued to the depraved rabble in the desert
in order to make that horde grasp the rudiment of humanity
These teachings are a deadly poison to our blood
This plague - doctrine from Sinai
One can recognize from the mere necessity of such commandments
which demand nothing more than the barest behavior to claim the designation human beings
to what kind of creatures they had been given
To creatures truly entitled to claim no more, than a resemblance to human beings
And commandments from Sinai were offered as guiding lights for their lives!
Can one understand why some men laughed when they heard of this abominable scribble!
He who slumbers still, whose blood is dull and sour! No glory for him!
All those will be thoughtlessly tramped underfoot by the valiant who rush into battle
So let there be rise out of burning indignation of the nordic blood
Return again and again to lead it into battle against doctrine from Sinai
For those teachings are a deadly poison to our blood blood what only dies with the last northman
We are free of sin - like our ancestors were. Aiming to conquest eternity
He who slumbers still, whose blood is dull and sour, no glory for him!"



Return into the City of Slaughter (possibly Antisemitism):
"Then wilt thou flee to a yard, observe its mound. Upon the mound lie two, and both are headless -
A Jew and his hound. The self-same axe struck both, and both were flung
Unto the self-same heap where swine seek dung; Tomorrow the rain will wash their mingled blood
Into the runners, and it will be lost in rubbish heap, in stagnant pool, in mud"



God on the Cross (Anti-Judeo-Christianity, possibly Antisemitism):
"Like foul excrement on display for cheap amusement
A submissive Jew nailed to the croess - a god of the lowest of men!"

"Image of their god - not an image of power and might
Instead - the embarassing god on the cross!
The submissive Jew"



Native Resistance (Nativism, Nationalism):
"They come to our land
They told what to do
With power of sword
They brought us their lord
Native resistance!"



On the other side of the coin, Clandestine Blaze's most anti-Christian song is called "Anti-Christian Warfare":
"Anti-Christian warfare
Reign supreme
Blaze in the house of lord
Their crossess and statues
Destroyed to pieces
Priests hanged in trees
Crucifixes shoved up
Virgin nuns cunt"

It's clear you have invested a lot of time in analyzing each word to categorize the bands with a very specific theme of a theme, but for what? Sorry, but the end result is nitpicking. In this case I don't see what was wrong with leaving the themes as they were - Abrahamic religions is a group of religions including Christianity, Judaism and others. You should also keep in mind that even an in-depth lyrical analysis on its own is not always a sensible way to determine the best choice of a theme, as it is not just about the lyrics but also the titles, artwork etc. It's not "Lyrical themes" anymore, it's now just "Themes".

If you would like to contribute to the site, there are many site-related tasks to focus on that will include things like adding new data or fixing factually incorrect data. Nitpicking the themes is only going to be a time-consuming task for you that really will not improve the site much if at all.

I get your point, but I think it's important for Clandestine Blaze. The band is fairly racist; some of their songs are the definition of racial antisemitism. "Anti-Abrahamic religions" or "Anti-Abrahamism" means that the band also criticizes other Abrahamic religions, mainly Islam. In reality, there is only one single mention of Islam in their entire discography, in a song that mainly criticizes Jews. The song is called "Fist of the Northern Destroyer".

And the same goes for their artworks: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/C ... ._1/223042

Look mate, between April and this week you've been told three different times by three different moderators to quit your needless, nitpicky edits regarding band themes, as well as your complaints of genres, AND to focus your energies in activities that would indeed help the site. Like I told you, there's plenty of other stuff to do instead of making hundreds upon hundreds of minor, needless updates regarding the themes. You want to help? Stop taking issue with the genres and themes (like you have being doing so far) and focus your energies in stuff that actually matters and makes a difference.

Re-read Midnightwards666 post over and over please, until you understand our stance. Hopefully you'll start actually helping.

Even if there is relatively little mention of Islam from the band it is still clear enough that their themes are anti Abrahamic religions in general and clearly not pro-Islam, so the theme works fine. Just looking at your other thread, pinpointing the exact subcategory of Satanism was not necessary for the MA audience especially when you were not even able to. We do not lose out on going by more general themes.

The time you are investing in nitpicking themes is only resulting in users complaining on forums, moderators sending you instructions and warnings to stop what you are doing, and no worthwhile contributions to the site. You are actually doing the site more harm than good, because your attempts to pinpoint such specific themes are bringing us more headache over completely pointless matters. None of us want or need extra unnecessary headache.

I'll say it now, and it's for the sake of you not wasting your own time any longer - please stop the nitpicking.

La ilaha illallah, Muhammadur rasulullah

Lol what do you want from me? I'm not a religious person at all.

What about adding themes to bands that don't have themes yet, and changing wrong themes reported by other users; is it also unproductive?

Adding themes where they are non-existent is indeed a useful addition provided it is correct and sensible. As for changing themes when users report them, it depends on what you mean by wrong. If it's a case where the listed theme is Satanism but the main themes and lyrics are pirates, then fair enough. If however, the report consists of a similar level of nitpicking to what you were doing with very specific types of Satanism, then yes it is unproductive and such reports are unnecessary.

Just avoid nitpicking.

Anti-Abrahamic vs Anti-Judeo-Christian might be nitpicky, but I think it's worth adding antisemitism to the themes, considering those lyrics. That's clearly beyond just criticizing Judaism.

I agree, thanks for taking it seriously. I'll be less picky from now on.