Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Message board

* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 



Reply to topic
Author Message Previous topic | Next topic
Azmodes
Ultranaut

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
Posts: 9594
Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:55 pm 
 

Yes, they were. Also, wrong thread.
_________________
Da Däéfö schlåft nèd. || Last.fm | Discogs | Goodreads | BOINC
Quote:
Napero: Two tons of wood, 90 meters... I'd give him 13 minutes
Derigin: Works for me. I'll be right on over

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:06 pm 
 

I have another suspicious band, the Japanese band Metalfolk. This is my original re¨port , which I did on them in January, unfortunately anonymosly,so it was deleted, when Jun senoue official website, my source, went down and later was deleted. MetalMetalfolk was actually a project of the Animetal franchise, specialising in covering Japanese pop songs from the sixties and seventies. It was also a project led by Crush guitarist Jun Senoue, who was hired by Sony to form a band, so it was certainly not a side project of the band Gargoyle. But as a cover band with no own material, it would be against the rules to have it listed here, So I think an investigation isneeded. Original report:
Report for Metalfolk


All Reports > Metalfolk > Reports > General update / mistakes
> Add new comment






Next
Last


Guitarist Jun Senoue, current member of Crush 40 and former member of Sons Of Angels, was a former member of Metalfolk. In fact, he was the main driving force behind this project. According to the interview with him, Metalfolk was another project in the Animetal franchise owned by Sony Music. Unnlike Animetal, Metalfolk specialised in covering Japanese pop songs from the sixties and the seventies. In thelight of that, aquestion arises, if Metalfolk has recorded any original music besides the Japanese pop covers? I think, that this matter would need further investigation by someone, who knows the originals of the songs or can read Japanese. Please, read the interview for proof: Excerpt from the interview:
JS.com: How did you end up on Metalfolk Jamboree? How did that come about?

Jun: Ahhhhhh (laughs). That was kind of a fun project, you know. That was done in 1997 or so… that was the time that I enjoyed that kind of outside projects. It all started from Metalcchi. I will send you details later, but Metalcchi was a second project from Sony as an Animetal franchise. Do you know the work called Animetal? It was a kind of collaboration between Japanese cartoon songs playing with hard rock style and uh.. they had an agreement with Sony and Sony in Japan had a second or third wave for those kinds of stuff. Second wave was not with anime songs, but with Japanese pop-songs from 70’s or 60’s. Sony had a singer but no arrangements or musicians for that project. I know several guys for a team and they (Sony) asked me to do that job… to make an arrangement for that kind of stuff and also to hire the musicians. Then I teamed up with Naoto Shibata who took the bass job for Sons of Angels too, and then also Katsuji (Crush 40) was a drummer for that project. We did an EP and then after that we did a similar one for another company and the third one was Metalfolk Jamboree.
!
https://matome.naver.jp/odai/2145891490 ... 8581127503

Top
 Profile  
TvvrAskesis
Marathon Man

Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:33 am
Posts: 110
Location: Netherlands
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:51 am 
 

^ I own the first Metalfolk-single, and there is no mention of Jun Senoue anywhere. It was performed by Mitsuo Takeuchi plus the musicians from Gargoyle.
_________________
夢の果てを。

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:59 pm 
 

I believe you on that, but the source for my post was directly the Jun Senoue official site, whre Metalfolk was even mentioned in the forum under "other Jun related stuff" header. there was also the link to the "Heavy Metal Folk Jamboree_ album, that I have posted. I trust you about the info about the first single, but then Jun could play only on the full length album. In any case , Jun Senoue and Naoto Shibata should be added to the past members of Metalfolk. I am glad, that you have replied, so that I can ask you , if the material on the first songle is original or also covers of Japanese pop songs? The second album seems to be just the medley of covers in Animetal style, considering the length of the songs and the number of them.? If the first single contains original material, the case can be closed, I gues, since it was my main concern, but the missing members should be certainly added. Maybe there is somebody on the forum., who kknows more abut internet than me and could help us to retrieve the content of the removed Jun senoue site, if that's possible?
The address was www.junsenoue.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgeh ... tar_heros/
As I said, I have reported it, when the site was still online.

Top
 Profile  
Azmodes
Ultranaut

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
Posts: 9594
Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:07 am 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
I'm wondering why Carcereduro was accepted. Their music is mostly Punk and Viking Rock, although the last album from 2016 has a couple Metal songs.

derigin approved them, I've asked for his input.

Witcher wrote:
To my surprise, ny report on Der Bassist ist ein Arschloch was deleted, so here it is in details, since the situation is quite clear from my view. The band does not play thrash metal, but hardcore punk. It is quite clear from the samples and also from the genre tags and description on Discogs.com. The music is not even close to thrash metal, instead is similar to other German fun-Core bands like A.O. K.
Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inSxrRseSCo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQuGY7qdEw0 https://www.discogs.com/artist/3309224- ... -Arschloch https://myspace.com/derbassististeinarschloch
https://www.discogs.com/Der-Bassist-Ist ... se/4603868 http://www.derbassististeinarschloch.de/ https://www.musik-sammler.de/media/661819/ https://www.senscritique.com/album/Krank_EP/17578320 https://www.visions.de/platten/4093/der ... loch-krank
https://www.last.fm/de/music/Der+Bassis ... +Arschloch
http://www.bandmine.com/derbassististeinarschloch

I agree, based on the samples available. derigin closed that report, so again, waiting for him to comment.

Witcher wrote:
Next
Last


I have recently bought the Tenside album Chain Reacion in an internet auction, hoping for a thrash/groove metal release. To y shock and surprise, the album turned out to be a nu-metal/metalcore/modern hardcore album, full of downtuned, often dissonant riffs. The comparisons to early Soulfly and Ektomorf are fully in place I thinkk. It is not really metal, but nu-metal/metalcore, which is really more on the core side. Here are some samples, including several full albums by them:

Source/Evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVGLKzrTDZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HgIA0p ... 1ut4vavxFS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqKkIcQYrW8
http://coreradio.ru/metalcore/16817-ten ... gence-2017
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenside_(Band)
http://tenside-music.de/
https://www.youtube.com/user/Tenside

I went through their discography on Spotify, agreed. Deleted.

Krister Jensen wrote:
Awaiting the Doomsday sounds too -core. https://awaitingthedoomsday.bandcamp.com/

+

Mystical Depth sounds more like dronish ambient rather than metal. #1 / #2 / #3.

Both gone.
_________________
Da Däéfö schlåft nèd. || Last.fm | Discogs | Goodreads | BOINC
Quote:
Napero: Two tons of wood, 90 meters... I'd give him 13 minutes
Derigin: Works for me. I'll be right on over

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:00 am 
 

Thanks a lot for your answer, Azmodes. I only would like to remind, that also my report on Black Uniforms, for I consider not predominantly metal, was closed in a similar way without any further explanation, so if please this band could also be reviewed again. I have also a question regarding what I wrote abut the band Metalfolk above. Did the moderator, who approved them back in 2014, asked the submitter abot the proof, that the band has also original material and is not only a cover band? Thanks.

Top
 Profile  
TvvrAskesis
Marathon Man

Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:33 am
Posts: 110
Location: Netherlands
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:25 am 
 

The first Metalfolk single is a covers medley, Animetal-style, too. As far as I remember they were accepted as a side-project of Gargoyle.
_________________
夢の果てを。

Top
 Profile  
Azmodes
Ultranaut

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
Posts: 9594
Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:29 pm 
 

I've already notified the mod who approved BU to check this thread. My personal thoughts on it are that it sounds okay as far as this metalpunk style goes, albeit close to the borderline.
_________________
Da Däéfö schlåft nèd. || Last.fm | Discogs | Goodreads | BOINC
Quote:
Napero: Two tons of wood, 90 meters... I'd give him 13 minutes
Derigin: Works for me. I'll be right on over

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:19 pm 
 

Thank you both for the answers. If Metalfolk was really was accepted as a side project, then it really does make much sense, since it clashes agains the "No cover/tribute/gimmick/ bands ruerule. this logic is very strange, beacause in this manner, the Motörhead cover band The Bombers could be accepted as side project of Abbath of Immortal and Tankwart as a side cover projecgt of Tankard. If this was really the reason, then I don't get it. a

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:19 am 
 

O.K., since no moderator has commented my complaint about Metalfolk directly yet, here is my direct question: Can the band Metalfolk be deleted, now that it wasconfirmed, that it is entirely a cover band without own songs: I think the rules are quite clear on that-no cover bands, side project or not. there are no exceptions mentioned and I have seen cover bands, that were also a side project , ddeleted from the database in the past, because they had only one song of their own on their albums, for example Tankwart or presumably also my submission of the band Treasure Seeker, which was a side project of members of Lightmare and Seventh Avenue. I think equal cases should be treated equally. https://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules https://www.discogs.com/Treasure-Seeker ... se/3277674
https://www.discogs.com/artist/628118-Tankwart

Top
 Profile  
Derigin
The Mountain Man

Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 5054
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:19 pm 
 

There are *some* exceptions for cover bands, particularly if they cover traditional folk songs or classical music. It's when such bands cover contemporary music that they're not OK.

We are in the process of confirming whether this band covers contemporary music or not. We are doing that investigation. Please be patient.
_________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

R.I.P. Diamhea 1987-2018
Live young, die free. Gone, but not forgotten.

Top
 Profile  
OpsiusCato
Mexican Metal Inquisition

Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:42 am
Posts: 2541
Location: Mexico
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:07 pm 
 

Witcher wrote:
Thanks a lot for your answer, Azmodes. I only would like to remind, that also my report on Black Uniforms, for I consider not predominantly metal, was closed in a similar way without any further explanation, so if please this band could also be reviewed again.

Azmodes wrote:
I've already notified the mod who approved BU to check this thread. My personal thoughts on it are that it sounds okay as far as this metalpunk style goes, albeit close to the borderline.

Yeah, Black Uniforms, while indeed borderline, do check out Metal-wise. Acceptable Metalpunk.
_________________
Uncolored, commenting on Erosion of Humanity's allergies wrote:
Your house in Chicago is possessed by Unholy Virus
PhilosophicalFrog, making accurate statements as usual, wrote:
Opsius is Metal as fuck.

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:54 pm 
 

Thank you both for your replies. I will wait patiently for the result of the investigation on Metalfolk. The reason of my concern about this band, that had already once deleted them for being a cover band during my time as a moderator and to come back and see them here again felt like a minor deja vu. If will be decided in the end, that black Uniforms are borderline, yet acceptable metalpunk, then I will lilive with it and accept it. But the situation of the band Der Bassist ist ein Arschloch is different, they are clearly in the hardcore punk/Deutschpunk style and all internet sources seem to acknowledge that.

Top
 Profile  
odium
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:32 pm
Posts: 81
Location: Lithuania
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:20 am 
 

Any proves of physical release, or longer digital release for Grium?

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Grium/3540442878

Top
 Profile  
Azmodes
Ultranaut

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
Posts: 9594
Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:27 am 
 

http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... grium-demo
_________________
Da Däéfö schlåft nèd. || Last.fm | Discogs | Goodreads | BOINC
Quote:
Napero: Two tons of wood, 90 meters... I'd give him 13 minutes
Derigin: Works for me. I'll be right on over

Top
 Profile  
odium
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:32 pm
Posts: 81
Location: Lithuania
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:00 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/tape/black-metal-pagan-metal-blackgaze/grium-demo

Thanks, couldn't find it myself.

Top
 Profile  
Storm of the Light's Bane
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:16 pm
Posts: 520
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:26 pm 
 

Deleted Dominion III - Electronic/industrial.
_________________
ThrashFanatic wrote:
He's not in the photo because he has yet to meet with Kim Jong-Un. Damn, grow some brain cells. You probably lost them all from headbanging LOL.

tomcat_ha wrote:
I am sad that this retrospective did not check if Geoff can still jump backwards and if he can if he still loves doing so.

Top
 Profile  
Storm of the Light's Bane
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:16 pm
Posts: 520
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:25 pm 
 

Deleted a duplicate of Alabama Church Fire. Turns out they were actually the same band, just having moved locations and changing the line-up.
_________________
ThrashFanatic wrote:
He's not in the photo because he has yet to meet with Kim Jong-Un. Damn, grow some brain cells. You probably lost them all from headbanging LOL.

tomcat_ha wrote:
I am sad that this retrospective did not check if Geoff can still jump backwards and if he can if he still loves doing so.

Top
 Profile  
Bachstein
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:49 am
Posts: 68
Location: Hungary
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:02 pm 
 

Image

Top
 Profile  
Zodijackyl
Definitely Proportionate

Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:39 pm
Posts: 7251
Location: Longmont Potion Castle
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:52 pm 
 

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
I'm wondering why Carcereduro was accepted. Their music is mostly Punk and Viking Rock, although the last album from 2016 has a couple Metal songs.


Just listened to this one. This is acceptable folk metal.

Top
 Profile  
TrooperEd
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:18 pm
Posts: 1830
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:49 pm 
 

I feel sort of dirty asking this, but Phil Lynott's solo career? I'm gonna guess Solo In Soho and The Phillip Lynott Album are not Thunder & Lightning x years before hand.
_________________
whoever made the original banned list wrote:
HEY GAIS GOATSE IS FUNNY (if you ever see this person, please pour hot lead down his anus).

Top
 Profile  
odium
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:32 pm
Posts: 81
Location: Lithuania
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:16 am 
 

On 19th of May band Verwulf Tyrant was rejected because of ""Too short and/or makeshift/rough for (a) digital-only release(s). Please wait for additional releases or a physical version of the existing one(s). If there is already a physical release, provide clear and definitive evidence for its existence".

Yesterday the band was accepted (https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... 3540442728) with the same digital demo, adding just two digital singles as additional discography. I can't find that the physical release has been released. Different opinions of moderators, or am I just missing something?

Top
 Profile  
Azmodes
Ultranaut

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
Posts: 9594
Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:37 am 
 

TrooperEd wrote:
I feel sort of dirty asking this, but Phil Lynott's solo career? I'm gonna guess Solo In Soho and The Phillip Lynott Album are not Thunder & Lightning x years before hand.

Are you questioning it as a regular metal inclusion or as a selected exception? Because it's obviously not the former.

odium wrote:
On 19th of May band Verwulf Tyrant was rejected because of ""Too short and/or makeshift/rough for (a) digital-only release(s). Please wait for additional releases or a physical version of the existing one(s). If there is already a physical release, provide clear and definitive evidence for its existence".

Yesterday the band was accepted (https://www.metal-archives.com/history/ ... 3540442728) with the same digital demo, adding just two digital singles as additional discography. I can't find that the physical release has been released. Different opinions of moderators, or am I just missing something?

Appears to be a difference of mod opinion. I'll talk to OC about it.
_________________
Da Däéfö schlåft nèd. || Last.fm | Discogs | Goodreads | BOINC
Quote:
Napero: Two tons of wood, 90 meters... I'd give him 13 minutes
Derigin: Works for me. I'll be right on over

Top
 Profile  
TrooperEd
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:18 pm
Posts: 1830
Location: United States
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:04 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
TrooperEd wrote:
I feel sort of dirty asking this, but Phil Lynott's solo career? I'm gonna guess Solo In Soho and The Phillip Lynott Album are not Thunder & Lightning x years before hand.

Are you questioning it as a regular metal inclusion or as a selected exception? Because it's obviously not the former.



What do you mean selected exception?
_________________
whoever made the original banned list wrote:
HEY GAIS GOATSE IS FUNNY (if you ever see this person, please pour hot lead down his anus).

Top
 Profile  
Azmodes
Ultranaut

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
Posts: 9594
Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:01 am 
 

The rules wrote:
We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

  • Side-projects of notable metal band members (ex. Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Evas). We prefer side-projects to be on a label with worldwide distribution and have a full-length release, but do not require it (this is to avoid a flood of bedroom/MySpace bands).
  • Non-metal projects included arbitrarily as they are seen by the staff to belong as a part of the metal scene. Their inclusion is rare, exceptional, and discretionary of the staff.

[..]

Additionally, there will be some non-metal bands featured on the site that we feel are still part of the metal scene despite not being metal themselves (usually darkwave, ambient, neo-classical and/or folk bands, examples being Mortiis, Elend, Autumn Tears, Stille Volk, etc). These bands are selected by the moderators in an admittedly arbitrary fashion, and their submission by normal users is discouraged. Please bear with us on this.
_________________
Da Däéfö schlåft nèd. || Last.fm | Discogs | Goodreads | BOINC
Quote:
Napero: Two tons of wood, 90 meters... I'd give him 13 minutes
Derigin: Works for me. I'll be right on over

Top
 Profile  
Texas King
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:55 am
Posts: 13
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:18 am 
 

Why are Rush and Faith No More incuded on Metal Archives, but bands as Rammstein and Tool aren't? I don't get it.
I definitely consider Rammstein to be more metal than FNM, who is an alternative band with some heavier tones.
I think Rush were never metal, although they had a couple of heavy moments in the 70's (Necromancer, the second part of 2112, Cygnus X-1 I). Tool have plenty of metallic tones.

Top
 Profile  
Zodijackyl
Definitely Proportionate

Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:39 pm
Posts: 7251
Location: Longmont Potion Castle
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:42 am 
 

Rush is an arbitrary exception.

FNM was judged to have a metal album, a long time ago, I think.

Rammstein is NDH, and Tool are some sorta progressive/alternative hard rock band.

Top
 Profile  
Texas King
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:55 am
Posts: 13
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:25 am 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Rush is an arbitrary exception.

FNM was judged to have a metal album, a long time ago, I think.

Rammstein is NDH, and Tool are some sorta progressive/alternative hard rock band.


OK. How about bands Sunn O))) and Earth? Are those bands considered metal, because they also have a place on MA?

Top
 Profile  
PaganiusI
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:49 pm
Posts: 347
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:06 pm 
 

Doesn't their genre tag say so?
_________________
!Low-Life Arrogance!
~Feel free to visit: Blog - Shop~
~Live young, die free~

Top
 Profile  
OpsiusCato
Mexican Metal Inquisition

Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:42 am
Posts: 2541
Location: Mexico
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:37 pm 
 

Texas King wrote:
OK. How about bands Sunn O))) and Earth? Are those bands considered metal, because they also have a place on MA?

They're Drone Doom Metal.
_________________
Uncolored, commenting on Erosion of Humanity's allergies wrote:
Your house in Chicago is possessed by Unholy Virus
PhilosophicalFrog, making accurate statements as usual, wrote:
Opsius is Metal as fuck.

Top
 Profile  
Derigin
The Mountain Man

Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 5054
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:07 pm 
 

Another thing to keep in mind. Just because a band has non-metal albums, or is more well-known for its non-metal music, that does not mean it does not have an acceptable metal album somewhere in its discography. From this point of view, it's best to see MA less as an encyclopedia of metal bands and more as an encyclopedia of metal albums. Now, most bands that have metal albums are widely seen as metal bands, but that is not always the case. It is just something to think about.
_________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

R.I.P. Diamhea 1987-2018
Live young, die free. Gone, but not forgotten.

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:00 am 
 

Since some time has passed, may I know, how is the situation with the band Der Bassist ist ein Arschloch: The last time I aaasked, Azmodes agreed with me, that the band is not metal and said, that he awaits the input from Derigin, on why he closed my previous report on the bandd. So,k, can a decision on the band be made now? I think , that the links, that I provided, shoow clearly, that the group is a hardcore punk band and not metal.

Top
 Profile  
Azmodes
Ultranaut

Joined: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:44 am
Posts: 9594
Location: Gradec, Austria
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:34 am 
 

Deleted.
_________________
Da Däéfö schlåft nèd. || Last.fm | Discogs | Goodreads | BOINC
Quote:
Napero: Two tons of wood, 90 meters... I'd give him 13 minutes
Derigin: Works for me. I'll be right on over

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:39 pm 
 

Thanks a lot.

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:46 pm 
 

I see, the the black metal band Inexorum was accepted. Musiclly the band certainly plays metal, so there is seemingly nothing wrong with that. But.. The album was released on July 27th 2018 and the submission was made on July the 10th 2018. I have a proof here, see: https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/I ... kes/723343
So the user broke the rules by making a premature submission of a band without releases. I find this behavior to be really cheeky and absolutely unfair to other users, who properly wait for the release date. Hence my question, why this behaviour is tolerated and even "rewarded" by acceptance of such incomplete submission:

Top
 Profile  
Derigin
The Mountain Man

Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 5054
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:58 pm 
 

If another user had submitted the project after July 27th, we would have considered that person's submission. However, that was not the case. It is regrettable that a user jumps the gun, and we frown upon and discourage that, but we're not going to reject a submission for that reason alone if we get around to it after the album is out and the submission is valid. If this becomes a common thing that this user does, then we'll punish accordingly. However, we are not in the business of rejecting valid submissions once they are valid, that is so long as there are no alternatives that would be more valid under the circumstances.

Witcher, things have changed since you were a mod here. The band queue moves more slowly, but we're also less hostile to our submitters, especially for minor transgressions like this one. It's our fault that we didn't get to this submission beforehand, and we accept that shit happens. No need to punish the submission or the submitter after the fact for that.
_________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

R.I.P. Diamhea 1987-2018
Live young, die free. Gone, but not forgotten.

Top
 Profile  
PaganiusI
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:49 pm
Posts: 347
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:13 pm 
 

The lack of submissions after July 27th might have been caused by the big red waring sign: "Warning: a band called "bandname" (genre from location) is already present in the queue!" which usually prevents users from submitting duplicates.

But the rest seems relatable. ;-)
_________________
!Low-Life Arrogance!
~Feel free to visit: Blog - Shop~
~Live young, die free~

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:46 pm 
 

I was not asking for an exemplary punishment or a ban on the user. All I was asking for was a strict rejection of such premature submission. Being non.hostile to users is a good thing, but users, who do such submissions, are tthemselves "hostile", selfish and discriminatory to other users, because they negate their chances to make the sumbission of the same band at right, correct date. In this wway, the users, who are polite enough to wait get siscriminated and those, wthose, who are careless enough, wiwill get their undeserved advantage. Is it fair : I do not think so. As it was mentioned, the other users do not submit the same band because they are warned, that they should not make dual submissions. All I was asking for was a rejection of such submissions on sight in the future. Nothing more, nothing less. Here is my original report on the band: https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/645186

Top
 Profile  
Derigin
The Mountain Man

Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 5054
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:30 pm 
 

Your concern is acknowledged.
_________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

R.I.P. Diamhea 1987-2018
Live young, die free. Gone, but not forgotten.

Top
 Profile  
Witcher
Metal freak

Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:27 am
Posts: 6129
Location: Czech Republic
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:05 am 
 

In the light of recent submission of Rokka, I have listened again to the band Panza Division and was surprised, how much soft the band has sounded. This is just basically just Boogie style hard rock, clearly influenced by bands like Status Quo and AC/DC and in such manner similar to other boogie hard rock bands, that are often mistaken for NOBHM, for example spider and Dummpy's Rusty Nuts. Panza Division:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0z8Lnj_uh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNnphFv6yJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOLU8Uu6Uuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzitEMD6Yjo
The Lonely Hearts - even more commercial hard rock, without the dirty AC/DC edge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHI9iFIz-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFW779iIkk

Rokka:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqyten8Lzm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhJAjkwobQ
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pa ... sion/58101
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... arts/99749


Last edited by Witcher on Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic Go to page Previous  1 ... 91, 92, 93, 94, 95  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

 
Jump to:  

Back to the Encyclopaedia Metallum


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group