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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:38 pm 
 

Inner Odyssey needs at least a Rock tag after their latest album. The first one was way more metal while "Ascension" has lots of Art Rock/Acoustic/Jazz/Blues influences making it a more calm release. Kind of like Steven Wilson's solo albums with heavy guitars here and there.

Ascension: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ReWWSGlmU
Have a Seat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOca6-bYZgc
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:35 am 
 

According to their Bandcamp profile, they play Death/Doom metal. Source: https://hexandhell.bandcamp.com/

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S9NE
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:43 am 
 

I suggest adding "Symphonic" to the genre field of Skywings (Japan).

First Contact (2006)
-Full EP

The Advent Melody (2009)
-Full album

Grace Grade (2012)
-Grace Grade
-Scribble My Love
-A Moment Lyric
-Eternal Memory
-Sky on Smile

Angel's Sky (2013 single)
-Angel's Sky

Freesia (2013 single)
-Freesia

Vice Versa (2014)
-Vice Versa
-Unite Forever
-I Fascinate
-Glass in the Ice

Sky Legacy (2015)
-Love Song
-Gloria

Wings Wind (2016)
-Wings Wind

Skywings (2017)
-Skywings (preview)

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Fekalot
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:41 am 
 

Fekalot wrote:
According to their Bandcamp profile, they play Death/Doom metal. Source: https://hexandhell.bandcamp.com/


They play Death/Doom metal, not Doom/Death metal. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hex/3540425248

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:46 am 
 

Fekalot wrote:
Fekalot wrote:
According to their Bandcamp profile, they play Death/Doom metal. Source: https://hexandhell.bandcamp.com/


They play Death/Doom metal, not Doom/Death metal. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hex/3540425248

Same difference, word order plays no part in how we tag mixed genres.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:27 pm 
 

flexodus wrote:
OK it's FINALLY time to update Twitching Tongues' genre. They are 3 albums past their current genre listed, and the last two have upped the death metal influence considerably. These guys sound similar to Xibalba but with clean vocals and more doom parts, so they need a new genre to reflect this. Here's the newest album Gaining Purpose.

And their 3rd record Disharmony

I have reviews up that explains the transition between their early records, but to reiterate: they've left behind the rock/boogie/ "stoner" influences for a while. The old genre might work for the demo and Sleep Therapy, maybe Preacher Man, but everything from 2013 needs a new tag. They are much heavier and metallic now, with the only bygone from that style simply being the clean vocals. Think of an extreme version of Cro-Mags - Alpha and Omega.

The base of their sound is Doom metal/Hardcore, with influence from slower death metal (Autopsy and Bolt Thrower being the biggest). But there is a weird gothic/alternative 90s metal influence as well: it's basically old Type O/Life of Agony/Alice in Chains with death metal riffs (both slow and fast), doom parts and 90s metalcore circle pit riffs and breakdowns. At this point I think they can be called Gothic/Doom/Death Metal/Hardcore. I'm no authority on gothic metal though, so if a mod can listen to these two albums and confirm if including that is accurate would be appreciated. They certainly have lots of weird gothic sounding interludes and quiet moments and such. Replacing it with "Alternative" or maybe throwing in a "groove" in there would be fair as well.

Please listen to both albums and let me know what you think! if a mod needs me to point out specific styles of music in specific parts of songs let me know.

Still waiting on this. Here's the title track rundown:
Youtube: show

Moshy Candlemass riff ("Dark Reflections")
slower gothy chorus
fast crossover pit riff a la All Out War, Carnivore, Hatebreed, etc with death metal soloing on top
super fucked up breakdown with lots of tempo changes and pinch harmonics. Sounds like Gorguts/Symbolic era Death warped into a beatdown band.

Another video, which is way too thrashy to be called "stoner/rock" in any manner
Youtube: show


Another very gothic/doom track, with a hardcore 2 step twist
Youtube: show
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:26 am 
 

Other claims up there are still valid :)

Addition: 3405

On their newest album they play a mix of various genres, depending on the song including Doom, Classic Metal, Death, and so forth, not just Stoner Metal/Rock

As I can see, there aren't even any Stoner Metal/Rock influences left.

https://3405.bandcamp.com/album/-
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:38 pm 
 

So, here are a couple of more well-known bands that I wanna pick your brains on; Boris and On Thorns I Lay.

Boris' current genre as various isn't wrong, and it's certainly better than the lengthy tag it had before. I brought them up because I saw that sludge metal had been added to The Melvins' tag so that it read "sludge metal, various"; this being because, while they have played multiple different styles throughout their discography, they are most primarily a sludge band and that has been their most prevalent style out of the mix.

I propose the same is done in adding drone to Boris' tag, reading as "drone/doom metal, various". Although Boris too have played several different styles throughout the years, they have always been most primarily known as a drone metal band, and that seems to be the style they come back to the most. Not to mention, there have been several albums in which they may play sludge or stoner metal, but there is a significant drone influence in the mix. The following are all drone metal albums that they have released, in case you weren't familiar with them.

Youtube: show

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So, now we have On Thorns I Lay. They seem to have followed Paradise Lost's progression pretty closely, as they've done a full 360 in their genre changes over the years. They used to play death/doom, then gothic metal, then more alternative rocky kind of stuff, then back to gothic metal, and now they've released another death/doom album. Eternal Silence and Aegean Sorrow are most certainly not hard rock albums, that's for sure.

I would suggest we change On Thorns I Lay to "death/doom metal, gothic metal/rock" like how it was done with Paradise Lost. Hard rock has never been that prevalent a style in the band's sound. Egocentric is listed on the band's page as being a hard rock album, but it honestly sounds like the same kind of borderline alternative rock/gothic metal kind of stuff that Katatonia had been playing at the end of the 90's. So, I think merging rock with gothic metal would be reasonable. The general point being, the band's material has always either been death/doom or gothic metal.

Sounds of a Beautiful Experience (death/doom metal)
Orama (gothic/death/doom metal)
Crystal Tears (gothic metal)
Future Narcotic (gothic metal)
Angeldust (gothic metal/rock)
Egocentric (gothic metal/rock)
Eternal Silence (gothic metal)
Aegean Sorrow (death/doom metal)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:46 am 
 

Po' Metra Crijeva's current genre (Death/Thrash Metal) doesn't do the band's sound justice IMO. All their songs are played in the Istrian scale, as they come from Istria. It sounds very dissonant and the band are not afraid of playing on that dissonance with synths, weird vocals and whatnot. I think adding "Avant-garde" or "Experimental" would make it work better as a genre tag.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:05 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Encore/3540267951

if you listen to their one album, it's more hard rock/heavy metal, definitely not power metal.

sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtFkPOyL7-Y

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:59 pm 
 

The current tag of "Oi!/RAC/Death Metal" doesn't really do Squadron any justice as their music was quite varied over the years.

Our Time Will Come and Take the Sword are Hardcore Punk/Oi!-influenced RAC with some Metal underpinnings: "Take the Sword" and "Show Our Strength" are their most Metal songs from those years.

The switch towards Metal started with Combat: Battle and Burn and the "Unter dem Hakenkreuz" single. "Death Before Dishonour" is an obvious Thrash Metal song and the album has quite a few Crossover Thrash songs. Still, I consider the album to be mostly Oi! and Hardcore.

Decade of Defiance: 1985-1995 compilation featured rerecorded metallicizations of old songs.

Suppression of Faith is a mix of Grunge and Acoustic Rock with some Alternative Metal songs not a world away from Alice in Chains.

Age of Conspiracy is a mix of Groove, Death and Thrash Metal. Those are the songs I could find on YouTube, but rest assured, the entire album follows those conventions.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:07 pm 
 

Lake of Tears is tagged as "Progressive/Doom/Gothic Metal", but I find that them progressive side is much more closer to Pink Floyd than Dream Theater, for example. They're not used to play broken tempos, virtuous solos etc
I think they're genre should be tagged as "Doom/Gothic Metal, Progressive Rock", instead of the current tags.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:16 pm 
 

Leaves' Eyes: they're labeled as Symphonic Metal. Though the folk influence was much less present in their earlier works, it has definitely come out more in recent years. Not saying they're not symphonic, but the correct genre would be some variation of this:

Symphonic Metal (early), Symphonic Folk Metal (later)

Source/Evidence:
Just a couple of songs from each album:

Meredead (2011): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNDWTVqgxBg / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlLUUEs ... st=WL&t=0s / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hVfWAq ... 0s&index=7

Symphonies of the Night (2013): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvNaoLvx-Ww / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvFPZ73ao0U

King of Kings (2015): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsF-hhGXHQ0 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJ10RQl6hQ / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taVJP3_ ... =8&list=WL

Sign of the Dragonhead (2018): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSAtkIs ... 0s&list=WL / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8eOsyd ... 0s&list=WL / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaNdogE ... 0s&list=WL

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:19 pm 
 

Bled to Submission needs to have a genre added to their tag, whether it be Grindcore or Powerviolence. They sort of draw elements of both, but one or the other, even both, would suffice their genre tag. Currently they are "Sludge/Doom Metal/Noise" which fits them; however, they definitely have a fast, extreme punk touch to them--in the sphere of grindcore/powerviolence/thrashcore/hardcore. They’re almost like a mix of bands like Indian/Primitive Man and Full of Hell.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540420492
https://soundcloud.com/heavyblogisheavy ... ion-vermin
https://bledtosubmission.bandcamp.com/a ... ht-remains


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:11 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ho ... 3540301705

I think it's about time that Horrendous have their genre changed to "Progressive Death Metal" or at least "Death Metal (early), Progressive Death Metal (later)". They hinted at this direction with Ecdysis and fully embraced it with Anareta, and with the upcoming album Idol they only seem to be furthering their progressive influences. Here's the new song Soothsayer:

https://youtu.be/-r9iS6fWnMA

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:54 am 
 

TheUnhinged wrote:


Any thoughts on this guys?

BrunoGriloDias wrote:
Lake of Tears [...] "Doom/Gothic Metal, Progressive Rock"

A Crimson Cosmos (1997)
Forever Autumn (1999)


I agree. I do think, however, that Lake of Tears has pretty clear cut early and later eras. The first album was death/doom in the vein of Tiamat/Cemetary (Godless Beauty-era), the second and third were gothic/doom, then everything after that has been some mixed bag between gothic metal and progressive/psychedelic rock. Their later stuff doesn't sound like doom metal to me.

Death/Doom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI8w7EAuSno
Gothic/Doom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_4U1flxR38
Gothic Metal/Psychedelic Rock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2trntNIYCo
Gothic/Progressive Metal/Rock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czqASKbpeMs

I would personally say death/doom metal (early), gothic/progressive metal/rock (later)

FOrbIDen wrote:
Leaves' Eyes

Symphonic Metal (early), Symphonic Folk Metal (later)


I absolutely agree. Quite frankly, I think it'd be suitable just to say symphonic folk metal for their sound as a whole.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:20 pm 
 

flexodus wrote:
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flexodus wrote:
OK it's FINALLY time to update Twitching Tongues' genre. They are 3 albums past their current genre listed, and the last two have upped the death metal influence considerably. These guys sound similar to Xibalba but with clean vocals and more doom parts, so they need a new genre to reflect this. Here's the newest album Gaining Purpose.

And their 3rd record Disharmony

I have reviews up that explains the transition between their early records, but to reiterate: they've left behind the rock/boogie/ "stoner" influences for a while. The old genre might work for the demo and Sleep Therapy, maybe Preacher Man, but everything from 2013 needs a new tag. They are much heavier and metallic now, with the only bygone from that style simply being the clean vocals. Think of an extreme version of Cro-Mags - Alpha and Omega.

The base of their sound is Doom metal/Hardcore, with influence from slower death metal (Autopsy and Bolt Thrower being the biggest). But there is a weird gothic/alternative 90s metal influence as well: it's basically old Type O/Life of Agony/Alice in Chains with death metal riffs (both slow and fast), doom parts and 90s metalcore circle pit riffs and breakdowns. At this point I think they can be called Gothic/Doom/Death Metal/Hardcore. I'm no authority on gothic metal though, so if a mod can listen to these two albums and confirm if including that is accurate would be appreciated. They certainly have lots of weird gothic sounding interludes and quiet moments and such. Replacing it with "Alternative" or maybe throwing in a "groove" in there would be fair as well.

Please listen to both albums and let me know what you think! if a mod needs me to point out specific styles of music in specific parts of songs let me know.

Still waiting on this. Here's the title track rundown:
Youtube: show

Moshy Candlemass riff ("Dark Reflections")
slower gothy chorus
fast crossover pit riff a la All Out War, Carnivore, Hatebreed, etc with death metal soloing on top
super fucked up breakdown with lots of tempo changes and pinch harmonics. Sounds like Gorguts/Symbolic era Death warped into a beatdown band.

Another video, which is way too thrashy to be called "stoner/rock" in any manner
Youtube: show


Another very gothic/doom track, with a hardcore 2 step twist
Youtube: show

Been another month, still waiting for a verdict on this.

Doom Metal/Rock/Hardcore (early), Doom/Death Metal/Hardcore (later) would be simple enough.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:48 pm 
 

Hi, Ulcerate isn't started as a Technical Death Metal, that is error, Ulcerate started as a Brutal Death Metal band and after they changed to Technical/Avant-garde Death Metal, so the correct is:
Brutal Death Metal (early), Technical/Avant-garde Death Metal (later)

Source/Evidence:
Brutal Death Metal stuff:
Demo 2004: https://deepsendrecords.bandcamp.com/al ... f-genocide

Full length 2007: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFSV0sNH0KQ

Technical/Avant-garde Death Metal stuff:
Full length 2009: https://ulcerate.bandcamp.com/album/eve ... re-cd-2xlp

Full length 2011: https://ulcerate.bandcamp.com/album/the ... ers-of-all

Full length 2013: https://ulcerate.bandcamp.com/album/vermis

Full length 2016: https://ulcerate.bandcamp.com/album/shr ... -paralysis

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:18 pm 
 

GermanSteel wrote:
I was informed that the topic at hand will most likely require discussion. Personally I think the genre is correct but it needs something added to it. Toxic Holocaust is a combination of Speed/Thrash/Black Metal but also has heavy influence from Punk, Crust especially. Joel Grind created Toxic Holocaust based on his love for Thrash Metal, Black Metal and Punk Rock, so I think the Punk aspect of the band very much should be acknowledged because many people don't recognize the influence, especially on the vocals and guitar riffs. The vocals are very crust punk influenced and the guitar riffs have that raw, dirty feel that crust has. I listen to quite a bit of Crust so I am very aware of the influence on the band. That's all I have to say, thanks :)

Given the fact that Thrash Metal riffs themselves are highly influenced by punk, the fact that the influences the band includes are already covered by the applied genres and giving all albums a short listen, I think it's fine as it is.

S9NE wrote:
I suggest adding "Symphonic" to the genre field of Skywings (Japan).

Changed

flexodus wrote:
OK it's FINALLY time to update Twitching Tongues' genre. They are 3 albums past their current genre listed, and the last two have upped the death metal influence considerably. These guys sound similar to Xibalba but with clean vocals and more doom parts, so they need a new genre to reflect this. Here's the newest album Gaining Purpose.

Will need some time to look into that.

TheUnhinged wrote:
I propose the same is done in adding drone to Boris' tag, reading as "drone/doom metal, various".

The albums you linked do all have tons and tons of influences in them, none of which is predominantely Drone Doom, at least not without including lengthy interruptions of something else, so I think Various is fine. Especially since their additional note gives more info on their "main" or more often included genres.

TheUnhinged wrote:
I would suggest we change On Thorns I Lay to "death/doom metal, gothic metal/rock" like how it was done with Paradise Lost.

Adjusted.


Will look into the rest soon, I hope.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:54 pm 
 

Sepulchrave wrote:
Po' Metra Crijeva's current genre (Death/Thrash Metal) doesn't do the band's sound justice IMO.

Done.

Vortiene wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Encore/3540267951
if you listen to their one album, it's more hard rock/heavy metal, definitely not power metal.

Changed.

Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
The current tag of "Oi!/RAC/Death Metal" doesn't really do Squadron any justice as their music was quite varied over the years.

Changed.

BrunoGriloDias wrote:
Lake of Tears is tagged as "Progressive/Doom/Gothic Metal", but I find that them progressive side is much more closer to Pink Floyd than Dream Theater, for example. They're not used to play broken tempos, virtuous solos etc
I think they're genre should be tagged as "Doom/Gothic Metal, Progressive Rock", instead of the current tags.

TheUnhinged wrote:
I agree. I do think, however, that Lake of Tears has pretty clear cut early and later eras. The first album was death/doom in the vein of Tiamat/Cemetary (Godless Beauty-era), the second and third were gothic/doom, then everything after that has been some mixed bag between gothic metal and progressive/psychedelic rock. Their later stuff doesn't sound like doom metal to me.

Will look deeper into it soon.

FOrbIDen wrote:
Leaves' Eyes: they're labeled as Symphonic Metal. Though the folk influence was much less present in their earlier works, it has definitely come out more in recent years. Not saying they're not symphonic, but the correct genre would be some variation of this:

They include some folk influences into their music, mostly on Sign of the Dragonhead, but it isn't really folk metal. More like some folky Symphonic Metal at best, might be debatable if they release another album in that vein, but one album in 15 years isn't worth the slight adjustment.

Bonziepsycho wrote:
Bled to Submission needs to have a genre added to their tag, whether it be Grindcore or Powerviolence. They sort of draw elements of both, but one or the other, even both, would suffice their genre tag. Currently they are "Sludge/Doom Metal/Noise" which fits them; however, they definitely have a fast, extreme punk touch to them--in the sphere of grindcore/powerviolence/thrashcore/hardcore. They’re almost like a mix of bands like Indian/Primitive Man and Full of Hell.

Sludge has that Hardcore influence and bursts of punkish aggression, too. I'm inclined to keep it as it is. As you said, it fits them.

MeavyHetal wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Horrendous/3540301705
I think it's about time that Horrendous have their genre changed to "Progressive Death Metal" or at least "Death Metal (early), Progressive Death Metal (later)". They hinted at this direction with Ecdysis and fully embraced it with Anareta, and with the upcoming album Idol they only seem to be furthering their progressive influences

Agreed.

ThStealthP wrote:
Hi, Ulcerate isn't started as a Technical Death Metal, that is error, Ulcerate started as a Brutal Death Metal band and after they changed to Technical/Avant-garde Death Metal, so the correct is:
Brutal Death Metal (early), Technical/Avant-garde Death Metal (later)

Honestly sounds fine as it is. They became darker, but haven't lost much of the aggression and are certainly not Avant-garde.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:38 pm 
 

S9NE wrote:
Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Nomadic (USA) deathcore as opposed to death/black?
https://nomvdic.bandcamp.com/album/horror

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:06 pm 
 

S9NE wrote:
Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Nomadic (USA) deathcore as opposed to death/black?
https://nomvdic.bandcamp.com/album/horror

Yes. Changed.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:14 pm 
 

flexodus wrote:
flexodus wrote:
OK it's FINALLY time to update Twitching Tongues' genre. They are 3 albums past their current genre listed, and the last two have upped the death metal influence considerably. These guys sound similar to Xibalba but with clean vocals and more doom parts, so they need a new genre to reflect this. Here's the newest album Gaining Purpose.

And their 3rd record Disharmony

I have reviews up that explains the transition between their early records, but to reiterate: they've left behind the rock/boogie/ "stoner" influences for a while. The old genre might work for the demo and Sleep Therapy, maybe Preacher Man, but everything from 2013 needs a new tag. They are much heavier and metallic now, with the only bygone from that style simply being the clean vocals. Think of an extreme version of Cro-Mags - Alpha and Omega.

The base of their sound is Doom metal/Hardcore, with influence from slower death metal (Autopsy and Bolt Thrower being the biggest). But there is a weird gothic/alternative 90s metal influence as well: it's basically old Type O/Life of Agony/Alice in Chains with death metal riffs (both slow and fast), doom parts and 90s metalcore circle pit riffs and breakdowns. At this point I think they can be called Gothic/Doom/Death Metal/Hardcore. I'm no authority on gothic metal though, so if a mod can listen to these two albums and confirm if including that is accurate would be appreciated. They certainly have lots of weird gothic sounding interludes and quiet moments and such. Replacing it with "Alternative" or maybe throwing in a "groove" in there would be fair as well.

Please listen to both albums and let me know what you think! if a mod needs me to point out specific styles of music in specific parts of songs let me know.

Still waiting on this. Here's the title track rundown:
Youtube: show

Moshy Candlemass riff ("Dark Reflections")
slower gothy chorus
fast crossover pit riff a la All Out War, Carnivore, Hatebreed, etc with death metal soloing on top
super fucked up breakdown with lots of tempo changes and pinch harmonics. Sounds like Gorguts/Symbolic era Death warped into a beatdown band.

Another video, which is way too thrashy to be called "stoner/rock" in any manner
Youtube: show


Another very gothic/doom track, with a hardcore 2 step twist
Youtube: show

I'm inclined to keep it the way it is. No need to overcomplicate things. They became heavier on recent records, leaning more towards the heavy doom riffs with a stoner touch, but that's pretty much it, I think.
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TheUnhinged wrote:
BrunoGriloDias wrote:
Lake of Tears [...] "Doom/Gothic Metal, Progressive Rock"

A Crimson Cosmos (1997)
Forever Autumn (1999)


I agree. I do think, however, that Lake of Tears has pretty clear cut early and later eras. The first album was death/doom in the vein of Tiamat/Cemetary (Godless Beauty-era), the second and third were gothic/doom, then everything after that has been some mixed bag between gothic metal and progressive/psychedelic rock. Their later stuff doesn't sound like doom metal to me.

Changed to "Doom/Gothic Metal (early), Gothic Metal/Progressive Rock (later)"
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PaganiusI wrote:
Bonziepsycho wrote:
Bled to Submission needs to have a genre added to their tag, whether it be Grindcore or Powerviolence. They sort of draw elements of both, but one or the other, even both, would suffice their genre tag. Currently they are "Sludge/Doom Metal/Noise" which fits them; however, they definitely have a fast, extreme punk touch to them--in the sphere of grindcore/powerviolence/thrashcore/hardcore. They’re almost like a mix of bands like Indian/Primitive Man and Full of Hell.

Sludge has that Hardcore influence and bursts of punkish aggression, too. I'm inclined to keep it as it is. As you said, it fits them.


I agree, but the issue with that is it would be directly comparable to a band like Eyehategod or Acid Bath, which they have elements of but neither of those two bands have "punkish aggression" that I can think of. I feel that if they had no doom elements, then just "sludge" would suffice; however, the sludge/doom misconstrues the perception of their sound. I truly feel that they have enough Grindcore elements (or powerviolence) to have it added to their tag, simply because they overall have a sludge sound while reaching into both the fast and slow sides of metal (doom and grind).

* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540420492
* https://soundcloud.com/heavyblogisheavy ... ion-vermin
* https://bledtosubmission.bandcamp.com/a ... ht-remains

Also bumping from way back:
Bonziepsycho wrote:
The band Grind.bot is pretty unique as it is, but I think Cybergrind should be added to the Electronic Brutal Death Metal tag.

* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540387751
* https://grindbot.bandcamp.com/album/object-oriented


Bonziepsycho wrote:
I know I've asked this before, but it probably got burried. Shit Fucking Shit use to be Noisegrind.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... -2006-2007
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... olico-2010
They even occasionally release something of that style now.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... ation-2016
It probably doesn't need an early/later tag for the genre but it should probably read "Noisegrind, Death Metal/Grindcore."

Also, it might be overkill, but they do have plenty of standard Grindcore releases, probably more than death/grind actually.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... nnibe-2016
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... eform-2013
If you think it may need it, "Noisegrind, Grindcore, Death Metal/Grindcore" is possible.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sh ... 3540408107
https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/

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Bonziepsycho wrote:
PaganiusI wrote:
Sludge has that Hardcore influence and bursts of punkish aggression, too. I'm inclined to keep it as it is. As you said, it fits them.

I agree, but the issue with that is it would be directly comparable to a band like Eyehategod or Acid Bath, which they have elements of but neither of those two bands have "punkish aggression" that I can think of. I feel that if they had no doom elements, then just "sludge" would suffice; however, the sludge/doom misconstrues the perception of their sound. I truly feel that they have enough Grindcore elements (or powerviolence) to have it added to their tag, simply because they overall have a sludge sound while reaching into both the fast and slow sides of metal (doom and grind).
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540420492
* https://soundcloud.com/heavyblogisheavy ... ion-vermin
* https://bledtosubmission.bandcamp.com/a ... ht-remains
On the other hand...they have the Noise tag which neither Acid Bath not Eyehategod have...But their new albums seems to have very view doom metal segments, so a early/later approach might also be valid at this point. I'm gonna look into it in the next week or so.


BUT Acid Bath and Eyehategod don't have the Noise tag :P But looking at their latest album, I think there might also be a early/later approach possible. Will look into that.

Bonziepsycho wrote:
The band Grind.bot is pretty unique as it is, but I think Cybergrind should be added to the Electronic Brutal Death Metal tag.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... 3540387751
* https://grindbot.bandcamp.com/album/object-oriented

Wouldn't quite call it Cybergrind as it lacks the electronic influences as funny as it may sound. It's just computer generated brutal death and doesn't have synth massacres or techno shenanigans in it. And musically I think the genre is accurate enough.


Bonziepsycho wrote:
I know I've asked this before, but it probably got burried. Shit Fucking Shit use to be Noisegrind.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... -2006-2007
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... olico-2010
They even occasionally release something of that style now.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... ation-2016
It probably doesn't need an early/later tag for the genre but it should probably read "Noisegrind, Death Metal/Grindcore."

Also, it might be overkill, but they do have plenty of standard Grindcore releases, probably more than death/grind actually.
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... nnibe-2016
* https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/al ... eform-2013
If you think it may need it, "Noisegrind, Grindcore, Death Metal/Grindcore" is possible.

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sh ... 3540408107
https://shitfuckingshit.bandcamp.com/

Added Noisecore, "Grindcore, Death Metal/Grindcore" seems pretty much redundant, no need to overcomplicate things, really.
Also: NEVER bring them up again, they gave me a severe headache and the urge to :crash: ...
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Bumping "Dark Metal" bands still left to change, so far.

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The "Dark Metal" search continues...

Celeste is Gothic/Black Metal, I hear some Doom elements as well.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Celeste/29613
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXOReogGwPA

Cold Distance is Gothic Metal with some rock elements, but the second album is pretty much entirely rock of some sort, so maybe "Gothic Metal/Rock" is just fine.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540332160
* https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCor6lv ... EQcf0g6_Ig

Shadows of the Past is Atmospheric Symphonic Black/Death/Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... Cell/12445
* https://condemnedcell.bandcamp.com

Crimson Rivers is Symphonic/Gothic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Cr ... 3540339486
* https://www.youtube.com/user/crimsonriversgr/videos

Dakon is Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dakon/56182
* https://www.youtube.com/user/thedakon/videos

Darcanum is Symphonic Black/Gothic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Darcanum/46173
* https://myspace.com/darcanum/music/songs

Debris is Symphonic Blackened Death Metal
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Debris/61058
* https://myspace.com/debrisdk/music/songs

Diskriminator is Symphonic Gothic/Black/Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Di ... ator/34985
* https://diskriminator.bandcamp.com/

Distrust is Death/Gothic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Distrust/10582
* https://myspace.com/distrustvikingmetal/music/songs

Einsamkeit mit Mihr is Depressive Black Metal/Post-Rock.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ei ... Mihr/97045
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4E9EuWUrs
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ADW8RkIOvk
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEfIIXb-xgs

The band Embers has a "Dark/Death" tag; they use to be known as Dark Age which only has "Death" as their genre. I could not find any samples for Embers, but removing the Dark here wouldn't hurt.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Embers/48715

Endless Grief is "Gothic/Folk Metal (early), Gothic/Deathrock (later)"
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/En ... rief/39778
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao3evogKqTk
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-f28JiJX5s
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aqM9vy9eTE (later sound)

Ezekiel is Black/Folk Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ezekiel/111176
* https://myspace.com/ezekielmetal/music/songs

Flowers in Dark is Melodic Death/Gothic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fl ... Dark/63858
* https://www.youtube.com/user/FlowersinD ... =0&sort=dd

Green Division is just Gothic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gr ... sion/44339
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_nZh8gMDdk
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ0IVg-Lb8w
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8G4cyYioeA
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe_t40vuzZY

Herlathing is Melodic Death/Gothic Metal
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Herlathing/37539
* https://herlathingband.bandcamp.com/

Horrorthrone is Melodic Black Metal/Ambient.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ho ... 3540272738
* https://myspace.com/horrorthrone/music/songs

Chaos Dynasty is Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ch ... asty/46444
* https://myspace.com/chaosdynastyband

Sleeping with Knives is Death/Doom Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sl ... ives/54191
* http://gaetan.dc.free. fr/Audio/Sleeping_With_Knives/mp3/03%20-%20Forlorn%20-%20(Sleeping%20With%20Knives) .mp3 (just remove the spaces to get to the link)
Majesty of Silence is Symphonic Black Metal
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ma ... ence/11438
* https://myspace.com/majestyofsilence/music/songs

Moray Firth is Melodic Death Metal; it sounds like Mercenary/Scar Symmetry/Into Eternity ish.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Moray_Firth/74129
* https://myspace.com/morayfirth/music/songs

I couldn't find any samples for the band Leon, but their genre is listed as Dark Progressive Metal and their name change is listed as just Progressive Metal, so I don't think it would hurt to just lose the "dark" in the genre until a sample is found.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Leon/3540311175

Of the Archaengel is Symphonic Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Of ... ngel/52722
* https://myspace.com/ofthearchaengel/music/songs

Oneiros is Symphonic Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Oneiros/16710
* https://myspace.com/oneirosgermany/music/songs

Ruins of Amber is just Melodic Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ru ... mber/57409
* https://myspace.com/ruinsofamber/music/songs

Stygian Shore is Progressive Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/St ... hore/52936
* https://myspace.com/stygianshore/music/songs

The Real Massacre is first wave Black Metal/Heavy Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... acre/35420
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2See7qKB1Yc

This is all I found for Ur Nord Germanisch; I don't know about the other albums, and there are quite a few, but this album is purely Ambient and should be included in the genre. Also, for the time being, I don't think it would hurt just to lose the dark tag and make it solely "Pagan Metal" until something new pops up.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ur ... isch/49643
* https://yadi.sk/d/7RuTIkqm3ChxKZ

A.N.T.I. is Industrial/Electronic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/A.N.T.I./41717
* https://myspace.com/vnti/music/songs

Agonia is Heavy/Alternative Metal, I'm not sure if there's a reason why Ambient is in the genre so I wouldn't remove it entirely for now.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Agonia/38985
* https://myspace.com/agonialink/music/songs

Bliss is Progressive Metal/Rock.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bliss/47155
* https://myspace.com/blissrockt/music/songs


And continuing the list:

Dark the Suns is Melodic Death/Gothic Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Da ... Suns/54971
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B9_CQ0J6OE
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Ga1jH2-yTg

Leviatan is Black Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Leviatan/33236
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_aNLWooq0w
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbcG3fPhjnQ
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_19BMknz3c

Opacity is Black/Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Opacity/50006
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zO--unems
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoIk1qGaARQ
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqisaLLGfYM

Withered Garden is Black Metal with some melodic elements here and there. I cannot speak for the "Death Metal (later)" tag; I was unable to find any samples of their later stuff. I hate to assume stuff on this site, but they changed their name to Sightless and have a black/death tag. They appear to have stayed consistently blackened in some way, so maybe "Black Metal (maybe melodic) (early), Black/Death Metal (later) would not be a reach regarding the sound. Perhaps the lighter sounding "Blackened Death Metal" would even be better in this case since we simply don't know.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Wi ... rden/23343
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCBulw6know
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ezLrRZQJo
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ySD8ZmaEwE

Vanguard is... interesting. Their current tag is Symphonic Gothic Metal (early), Dark/Gothic Metal (later); however, their sound does not really change over the years. I don't think they are Gothic Metal, for I feel was put simply because it's female vocals. It's somewhere between Melodic/"Heavy" and Symphonic metal with extreme metal screaming. If I was submitting it, I'd put "Melodic Metal with Symphonic/Extreme Metal elements." Uhh you guys decide:
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Vanguard/30711
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N97dJg_PM0g (early)
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBLuijBVVY (early)
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJUtYa6TSjg (later)
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFu2On5loXs (later)
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRG0iVRhxR0 (later)

The Falling Crest is just Melodic Black Metal
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540279459
* https://www.reverbnation.com/thefallingcrest/songs

I cannot find any samples for The Dying, but they have a early/later tag while only having one small EP. For now, I think deleting the later tag should be fine.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/The_Deadly/80070

Silence Enshroud is Gothic/Doom Metal. I know this song is not on the demo, but it's the same band. Their tag is "Dark/Doom Metal (early), Gothic Metal (later)" so just replace the dark with Gothic.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Si ... roud/53994
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIoVzZnrrK0
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWZ6u1cFxbQ

Rain is just Industrial/Groove Metal, I do here some Prog elements as well. These samples are from each of their three albums:
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Rain/2903
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AecXKbv-cwQ
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs4izttZnR0
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo3MY6gobwI
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y68mDI8oiEs

Due to the generic band name by Metamorphosis and no albums to show on the archives, there's no way to find any samples on the web. Just removing dark from the long genre tag is probably fine.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Me ... sis/116190

Inner Sanctum is just Melodic Death Metal.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/In ... tum/101605
* https://mp3cc.biz/m/1139581-inner-sanct ... nus-track/ (song from first album)
* https://enterthesanctum.bandcamp.com/

Hyra I'm afraid may just be a rock band that has no place on here; however, this is the only song I can find of them to clear the "dark" tag. It's just Indie/Alternative Rock. Their older stuff may actually be death metal, but I cannot find any other songs at this time.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Hyra/89660
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qLvl7OWers

This is unrelated to the Dark Metal stuff, but I think Morlok Von Grimorog should be "Progressive/Heavy Metal." It's just prog metal now, but it pretty much sounds like progy King Diamond/Mercyful Fate.
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mo ... 3540406249
* https://www.reverbnation.com/morlokvongrimorog
* https://www.facebook.com/pg/mvongrimorog/videos
Sorry, they deleted their YouTube and Bandcamp, for some reason, so these are the only samples I can provide.

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https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Retaliation/2300
Retaliation from Sweden might need a Goregrind (early) tag, their stuff before before Pray For War (their split with Exhumed) feels like old Regurgitate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Kv9wkFA9I (material from their split with G.U.T.)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... E827BE9DC1 (Grindwork split with Nasum, Vivisection and CSSO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg3nOqSdbSs (Devastating Doctrine Dismemberment demo)
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW92ei3rqKU (Acrid Genital Spew demo)

Spoiler on the last one as that's definitely not a SFW cover

I know themes don't do jack for genres but there's also seeming more of a gore theme on this stuff which is characteristic of goregrind.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:01 am 
 

Bonziepsycho wrote:
PaganiusI wrote:
Sludge has that Hardcore influence and bursts of punkish aggression, too. I'm inclined to keep it as it is. As you said, it fits them.

I agree, but the issue with that is it would be directly comparable to a band like Eyehategod or Acid Bath, which they have elements of but neither of those two bands have "punkish aggression" that I can think of. I feel that if they had no doom elements, then just "sludge" would suffice; however, the sludge/doom misconstrues the perception of their sound. I truly feel that they have enough Grindcore elements (or powerviolence) to have it added to their tag, simply because they overall have a sludge sound while reaching into both the fast and slow sides of metal (doom and grind).
* https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540420492
* https://soundcloud.com/heavyblogisheavy ... ion-vermin
* https://bledtosubmission.bandcamp.com/a ... ht-remains

Seems like they exchanged the doom with grind after the first demo -> early/later tag for Slugde/Grind/Noise
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:45 pm 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
I'm inclined to keep it the way it is. No need to overcomplicate things. They became heavier on recent records, leaning more towards the heavy doom riffs with a stoner touch, but that's pretty much it, I think.


I'd like to protest this decision, can I please get any other mod's input on this? There is absolutely nobody who thinks "Twitching Tongues? oh, the stoner metal band?".... there are zero stoner elements in their music that could not be more accurately described with a "doom" or even "sludge" tag. Not to mention their members are straightedge anyways. Not having a "Later: Doom Metal/Hardcore" genre of some sort is just making the site less accurate.
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I gave it a listen, and I agree with Paganius here. I definitely sense a fairly significant stoner element to their music, enough that I feel it warrants inclusion in the genre description.
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ah, I feel like the only human alive, on a planet full of pod people! What I hear is Merauder/All Out War with clean vocals and doom parts; something that's much closer to Xibaba or Life of Agony than Kyuss or Orange Goblin or whatever. I'd be shocked if the members listened to any of that stuff. So be it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:38 am 
 

Hi,

Duskburn, their later genre tag is not quite accurate. after listening to all of their stuff on Bandcamp I can positively say that they are more a sludge/doom band with a touch of post- elements than just a simple sludge metal band. Leave the early genre tag aside because the Bandcamp doesn't have the 2007 demo, the 2009 full-length and Duskburn ep (2010) nor I could find them elsewhere online except this track from 2009 full-length which sounds isn't really that useful. So I don't know about that 3 releases.

I suggest Sludge/Doom/Post-Metal would be more accurate.

Please take your time and give them a listen. Thanks.
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MorbidEngel wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Retaliation/2300
Retaliation from Sweden might need a Goregrind (early) tag, their stuff before before Pray For War (their split with Exhumed) feels like old Regurgitate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Kv9wkFA9I (material from their split with G.U.T.)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... E827BE9DC1 (Grindwork split with Nasum, Vivisection and CSSO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg3nOqSdbSs (Devastating Doctrine Dismemberment demo)
Spoiler: show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW92ei3rqKU (Acrid Genital Spew demo)

Spoiler on the last one as that's definitely not a SFW cover

I know themes don't do jack for genres but there's also seeming more of a gore theme on this stuff which is characteristic of goregrind.

Agreed.

EpicDismemberment wrote:
Hi,
Duskburn, their later genre tag is not quite accurate. after listening to all of their stuff on Bandcamp I can positively say that they are more a sludge/doom band with a touch of post- elements than just a simple sludge metal band. Leave the early genre tag aside because the Bandcamp doesn't have the 2007 demo, the 2009 full-length and Duskburn ep (2010) nor I could find them elsewhere online except this track from 2009 full-length which sounds isn't really that useful. So I don't know about that 3 releases.

I suggest Sludge/Doom/Post-Metal would be more accurate.

Please take your time and give them a listen. Thanks.
https://duskburned.bandcamp.com/

yeah, changed

Edit: yes...saw that dark metal overload...slowly working through that ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:54 pm 
 

My report was rejected so i came here, Embodiment of onslaught is NOT death metal, they are clearly deathcore, from the structure of the songs to the chuggy breakdowns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLqDVUFPvk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9IEiHs4s0I

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Storm of the Light's Bane
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:21 am 
 

OFFICIAL_AWOKENINLIMBO wrote:
My report was rejected so i came here, Embodiment of onslaught is NOT death metal, they are clearly deathcore, from the structure of the songs to the chuggy breakdowns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLqDVUFPvk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9IEiHs4s0I

Thank you for your time.

It's not deathcore, plus 2 other mods agreed on the current tag before approving.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:18 am 
 

Hi everyone, I made a report to suggest Chimaira's genre have "nu metal" added to it, I can't help but feel like the band has had a significant nu metal edge to their sound for more than half of their early albums (especially their albums This Present Darkness and Pass Out of Existence) even the albums where the band supposedly stopped playing nu metal like The Impossibility of Reason, I STILL hear nu metal influence.

For full details, you can read my report I made here (sound samples are also included there as well)
https://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/651712

Storm saw my report and suggested I post this in the forum due to Chimaira being a relatively very popular band and I completely understand and respect that he, as a mod, wouldn't want to change it on his own.

I am confident however, that the band certainly do have nu metal as a part of their genre, maybe it's not the dominant genre that they play (i'd say they're mainly a groove metal band) but nu metal is definitely present in more than enough of their albums.
"Groove Metal/Metalcore/Nu Metal" is 100% accurate for Chimaira.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:18 am 
 

Agreed, I remember the pre-2005 albums in particular having a very nu-metal sound. Haven't followed the band since the self-titled, but that already seems fair enough to modify the genre.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:41 pm 
 

The Brazilian band Auryah is listed as power/groove metal, but it does not really sound like Helloween or Angra to me, even if the vocals are often relatively melodic. I would suggest "progressive/groove metal" as a better genre tag, since the song structures are quite complex and progressive in nature. Full album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUsCjXGDnqs

Edit: The Swedish band WWarpath has two pure doom metal songs with clear vocals on their demo, inthe style of Swedish bands like Stillborn, Faith or Count Raven. Since the demo CD is their only release, I think, that doom metal should be somehow integrated in their genre description. The two songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9qZWMVlQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCvRVzyT3K0
The rest of the demo:
https://www.youtube.com/user/dakotathomasgill

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:04 am 
 

Witcher wrote:
The Brazilian band Auryah is listed as power/groove metal, but it does not really sound like Helloween or Angra to me, even if the vocals are often relatively melodic. I would suggest "progressive/groove metal" as a better genre tag, since the song structures are quite complex and progressive in nature. Full album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUsCjXGDnqs

It certainty has modern power metal elements and doesn't sound progressive enough to re-classify it.

Dealt with. Genre stays.

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