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MorbidEngel
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:40 am 
 

I'm fully aware of why Meyhnach is blacklisted (I'm told not metal based on the samples), so I found as much as I could of the album on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7O96BCr9I Non Omnis Moriar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yEaZOZSZsI Nocturnal Caravan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4KjMbZUjUQ Psy Low
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibP9AmNrxQ Tarred Orchid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA7zbh1oe4A In My Nightmares Circus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTPKNGXR14 The Gutters Underneath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4hiQjvnuo Alcohonaut Diary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5eK6nbGe8 Moonshine Beam

I omitted Cenobites and On the Eternal Sea as those are far more ambient. If it matters, the thin static is actually a guitar. It's a horrendous tone, I know. If it's still not enough, then that's fine.
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lhtfu13
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:12 am 
 

here the proof of distribution
http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... im-freezin

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pale_horse
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:10 am 
 

Is there a way to check if a band has already been rejected so we are not making the same mistake someone else has?
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MasterOfSin
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:30 am 
 

pale_horse wrote:
Is there a way to check if a band has already been rejected so we are not making the same mistake someone else has?


Hi,
not exactly, if a band is blacklisted, the user ask in this thread the reason, if the band has been rejected if the moderator don't pointed the reasons, the user can asked here too, sometimes the mods add in the rejection message the reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:53 am 
 

Hey guys i wnted to know why Dipygus is blacklisted? Sure there are some Hardcore hints here and there but the death/doom parts are more prominent

https://dipygus.bandcamp.com/releases
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:51 pm 
 

NARAKU666 wrote:
Hey guys i wnted to know why Dipygus is blacklisted? Sure there are some Hardcore hints here and there but the death/doom parts are more prominent

https://dipygus.bandcamp.com/releases


It's a combination of unprofessional recording and too much on the hardcore side of the fence. Blacklisted in May of this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:54 pm 
 

lhtfu13 wrote:


Being that past submissions have been mostly ambient, we're going to need to hear some sound samples before this comes off the blacklist. Samples from this release only please, preferably a link to listen to the whole thing.
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pale_horse
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:21 pm 
 

MasterOfSin wrote:
pale_horse wrote:
Is there a way to check if a band has already been rejected so we are not making the same mistake someone else has?


Hi,
not exactly, if a band is blacklisted, the user ask in this thread the reason, if the band has been rejected if the moderator don't pointed the reasons, the user can asked here too, sometimes the mods add in the rejection message the reason.
Thank you


The moderator provided the reason not metal enough. Which is fine. I understand that is subjective. Just wish I could see if that was already done before wasting my time typing up album tracklists etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:37 pm 
 

pale_horse wrote:
Is there a way to check if a band has already been rejected so we are not making the same mistake someone else has? (...)
(...) The moderator provided the reason not metal enough. Which is fine. I understand that is subjective. Just wish I could see if that was already done before wasting my time typing up album tracklists etc.

If a band is properly judged and rejected for musical reasons it usually becomes blacklisted.
A band may also become blacklisted for other reasons (for example, if too many users submit the same band before the official release date. In that case it can be blacklisted temporarily, but is less common)

Anyway, you can always feel safe to submit a whitelisted band if you follow our rules and include all the evidence needed ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:38 pm 
 

In other words, if a band has already been assessed musically and found unacceptable, you'll know (by not being able to submit it in the first place).
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TexanCycoThrasher
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:43 pm 
 

I have a couple bands I'm inquiring about here:

First of all trying to add Skeleton from Austin, Texas but it tells me that attempting to submit any band with this name from the states is blacklisted. The link here is for this skeleton, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIAw1rLzvnk
Not for sure if they would be metal enough, but I'm pretty sure this is not the already blacklisted Skeleton

Also curious why both bands on this split are blacklisted? I understand the ambient parts with Fuath Vough are legthy but there is black metal there. https://vinlandcorpse.bandcamp.com/albu ... uath-vough

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pale_horse
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:36 pm 
 

Thanks for the explanation folks. I just assumed it had been already rejected by how quickly it had been rejected when others were in the queue for a few days.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:17 pm 
 

TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
I have a couple bands I'm inquiring about here:

First of all trying to add Skeleton from Austin, Texas but it tells me that attempting to submit any band with this name from the states is blacklisted. The link here is for this skeleton, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIAw1rLzvnk
Not for sure if they would be metal enough, but I'm pretty sure this is not the already blacklisted Skeleton

Also curious why both bands on this split are blacklisted? I understand the ambient parts with Fuath Vough are legthy but there is black metal there. https://vinlandcorpse.bandcamp.com/albu ... uath-vough


As far as Skeleton goes, I'm pretty sure this is a different band than the one that was blacklisted. I've whitelisted it, so it can be discussed once it's submitted.

As for both bands on the split, they were both blacklisted for being predominately noise, which after perusing the split sounds completely justified.
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Itmritual
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:03 pm 
 

I was wondering why the band In This Moment was blacklisted?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:31 pm 
 

Itmritual wrote:
I was wondering why the band In This Moment was blacklisted?


Blacklisted for being non-metal gothic-y/core stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:17 am 
 

Howdy, I recently submitted the Narrows, and had them rejected. I knew didn't fit perfectly well into the stoner/doom/sludge/shoegaze genres, but thought their independence and approach were and are, very much metal. Which is why I submitted them. I think of bands like the Melvins and Karp whose catalogs/songs/sound are pretty diverse and largely outside of what's thought of as metal, and probably as much from punk backgrounds as they are from metal, if not more, and thought they fit in with those bands similar metal spirit, so I submitted them. I was hoping some latitude would be given for approach, riffs and some crossover value. From a fan's standpoint, I've seen them play some of the heaviest music I've ever heard, and I think that's why I think of them personally as from metal's tradition. I knew at some point there'd probably be a metal test, and figured I'd weigh in with something in response. They have several releases and are a very much legitimate band, albeit one with next to no internet presence. I read the stuff at the beginning of this thread, and appreciate it, and the work you all do maintaining this great database. If there's anything additional I can do, I'd be happy to. If it's simply not going to happen, so be it. Thanks--

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lhtfu13
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:42 am 
 

TheStormIRide wrote:
lhtfu13 wrote:


Being that past submissions have been mostly ambient, we're going to need to hear some sound samples before this comes off the blacklist. Samples from this release only please, preferably a link to listen to the whole thing.


here the link where you can listen to THAT ALBUM ONLY:
https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... im-freezin

digothal has release albums, eps and demos since the day it was blacklisted, some of them also release in physical format, here the link to listen to other release that also have physical release:
Love Has Been Taken From Us (EP)
Proof of DISTRIBUTION : http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... ly-version
Sound samples : https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... en-from-us
Ravened Owlsong For My Freckled Moon (Album)
Proof of DISTRIBUTION : http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... ckled-moon
Sound Samples : https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... ckled-moon
desperate and alone (split) available on cd
Sound Samples : https://cvlminis.bandcamp.com/album/the ... -and-alone
Promo 2017 available on cd
sound samples : https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... ntai-promo

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KrongoggWarsong
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:32 am 
 

Hi everyone.

I would like to ask why Of Feather and Bone are blacklisted. It sounds pretty much clearly as Finnish-styled death metal.

https://offeatherandbone666.bandcamp.com/

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:35 am 
 

KrongoggWarsong wrote:
Hi everyone.

I would like to ask why Of Feather and Bone are blacklisted. It sounds pretty much clearly as Finnish-styled death metal.


Was blacklisted in 2015 for being blackish hardcore/crust/grind. While the 2016 promo does sound metallic enough, it's not long enough for a digital only release. Is there a publicly available physical version at all?
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TheStormIRide wrote:

Was blacklisted in 2015 for being blackish hardcore/crust/grind. While the 2016 promo does sound metallic enough, it's not long enough for a digital only release. Is there a publicly available physical version at all?


Yes, they have tape versions of that demo:

https://www.discogs.com/Of-Feather-And- ... se/9456689
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:41 pm 
 

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5AC30E3E

It appears that it was available on cassette at one point.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:38 pm 
 

KrongoggWarsong wrote:
TheStormIRide wrote:

Was blacklisted in 2015 for being blackish hardcore/crust/grind. While the 2016 promo does sound metallic enough, it's not long enough for a digital only release. Is there a publicly available physical version at all?


Yes, they have tape versions of that demo:

https://www.discogs.com/Of-Feather-And- ... se/9456689


Whitelisted for internal discussion. Go ahead and resubmit with all of the info included.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:20 pm 
 

Congratuliations for this amazing website and all your work. Amigo de Nadie has been blacklisted for "not being a metal band"... not much agree with this.

Only 4 of their 11 release "Más que Recuerdos", but you can realize. Could you please reconsider your decision?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AmCeP_q_3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVO7YnMYWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBwNBRLHLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFWBoOzp44E

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:41 pm 
 

fagozito wrote:
Congratuliations for this amazing website and all your work. Amigo de Nadie has been blacklisted for "not being a metal band"... not much agree with this.

Only 4 of their 11 release "Más que Recuerdos", but you can realize. Could you please reconsider your decision?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AmCeP_q_3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVO7YnMYWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBwNBRLHLI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFWBoOzp44E

Thank you for your attention.

We evaluate albums in its entirety so all the 11 songs were taken in consideration.

Amigo de Nadie was blacklisted for having too many songs in the alternative rock/metal side (some of them having nü metal influences aswell).
This is specially evident in songs like Un Mundo Mejor, Renacer, Pecado Sin Perdón and Cruza La Línea.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:32 pm 
 

Hi, why have Tehillah (USA) been blacklisted? They meet the time requirements and seem metal enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:26 pm 
 

What blacklist notes says on Hegemony of God from Indonesia?
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Tehillah: Digital-only basement-quality

Hegemony of God: Too core
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MorbidEngel wrote:
I'm fully aware of why Meyhnach is blacklisted (I'm told not metal based on the samples), so I found as much as I could of the album on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7O96BCr9I Non Omnis Moriar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yEaZOZSZsI Nocturnal Caravan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4KjMbZUjUQ Psy Low
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibP9AmNrxQ Tarred Orchid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA7zbh1oe4A In My Nightmares Circus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTPKNGXR14 The Gutters Underneath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4hiQjvnuo Alcohonaut Diary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5eK6nbGe8 Moonshine Beam

I omitted Cenobites and On the Eternal Sea as those are far more ambient. If it matters, the thin static is actually a guitar. It's a horrendous tone, I know. If it's still not enough, then that's fine.


This is metal. Whitelisted.

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pale_horse wrote:
Thanks for the explanation folks. I just assumed it had been already rejected by how quickly it had been rejected when others were in the queue for a few days.

Mods don't work the queue linearly, plus more obvious, "easier" submissions may get dealt with faster. Others can take more time, because we aren't sure about the music, the release's legitimacy, etc. and want to wait for more staffer opinions.

lhtfu13 wrote:
here the link where you can listen to THAT ALBUM ONLY:
https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... im-freezin

digothal has release albums, eps and demos since the day it was blacklisted, some of them also release in physical format, here the link to listen to other release that also have physical release:
Love Has Been Taken From Us (EP)
Proof of DISTRIBUTION : http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... ly-version
Sound samples : https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... en-from-us
Ravened Owlsong For My Freckled Moon (Album)
Proof of DISTRIBUTION : http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... ckled-moon
Sound Samples : https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... ckled-moon
desperate and alone (split) available on cd
Sound Samples : https://cvlminis.bandcamp.com/album/the ... -and-alone
Promo 2017 available on cd
sound samples : https://lovehasbeentakenfromus.bandcamp ... ntai-promo

Whitelisted.
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Hi.
Why was "Nostalgic Agony" from Italy blacklisted?
And when?

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"User won't stop submitting with only two youtube songs available" (2016-10-02)
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my last question about digothal (if you dont mind). in what genre digothal fit the most? dark metal/ambient or black metal or trance metal or doom metal? which release that make digothal whitelisted? the "... by cold easterly wind ..." only or by the last 3 release?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:14 pm 
 

Attempting to add the band Torture from Austin, Texas. The name in the US is blacklisted, pretty sure this is not the one,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yReM9_ZlDig

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TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
Attempting to add the band Torture from Austin, Texas. The name in the US is blacklisted, pretty sure this is not the one,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yReM9_ZlDig

It was a different one. Whitelisted, go ahead and submit.

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So I'm assuming Full of Hell was blacklisted? It looks like the mods were discussing them a few months back, but I haven't been able to find any other discussion.

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DeadLikeLeaves wrote:
So I'm assuming Full of Hell was blacklisted? It looks like the mods were discussing them a few months back, but I haven't been able to find any other discussion.


Was discussed internally (back in May for the latest release) and was determined to not be metallic enough yet. We can always revisit once they have another release.
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how the fuck are Rush on here and not Aerooklath?

https://aerooklath.bandcamp.com

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Completely amateur, bedroom noise. Barely music on many tracks let alone metal.
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But Rush?

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5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:
1) We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar. And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead.
2) Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
3) Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1). To be clear, nobody thinks that we'd otherwise be doomed to ride into fallacy territory and in danger of including BB King or whatever, but we are quite strict about keeping the database focussed.
4) Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".
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Leave a steaming, stinking Rotting Repulsive Rotting Corpse = LIVE YOUNG - DIE FREE and move on to the NEXT form of yourself....or just be a fat Wal-Mart Mcdonalds pc of shit what do I give a fuck what you do.

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