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BuriedUnborn
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:01 pm 
 

Why was In Ketten (The band where Absurd's members played while in jail) accepted if it is a Oi! band? Was it historical purposes, or because it's considered a part of the metal scene?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:06 pm 
 

BuriedUnborn wrote:
historical purposes

This, pretty much. Basically Absurd under another name and as such a selected exception.
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avisioncame
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:04 am 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
avisioncame wrote:
Can we just accept that there is a form of Ambient music that files under Metal, apart from Dark Ambient and be done with it?

No, not really. Ambient music files under Ambient music. Metal files under Metal. That arguement is like saying that there are certain kind of birds that file under fish just because they swim.


I think you are being pretty subjective about this. There is indeed a genre of ambient that is parallel toi Black Metal, that is not in the same school of Dark Ambient. Avoid it if you want, but it's true.

Guess I will have to run off and slap together a "black metal" album to fit in.

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:15 am 
 

Ambient is not metal, end of story. Bands can mix these and yes, black metal and ambient share a certain bond, but that doesn't magically turn the latter into a subgenre of the former. They are sonically quite distinct.

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Guess I will have to run off and slap together a "black metal" album to fit in.

If you have so little self-confidence and artistic integrity that you are gonna let some site online dictate to you what kind of music you should make in order to "fit in", sure, knock yourself out. We can't stop you. It's certainly lame as hell, though.

"And what was the creative process for this release?" - "Well, I wanted to be listed in this metal database and for some odd reason they don't accept ambient bands, so..."
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:02 am 
 

Deleted Flock of Crows. Drone/noise.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:44 am 
 

^ Shall we get rid of this, too?
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:45 am 
 

Since it's not connected to anything, it will get purged automatically after a time.
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:02 pm 
 

Hey, In some month ago I submited one band called Svargaroth.
And recently the band has been accepted (based on what?) https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sv ... 3540429460
When I sub it, the mod told me that there was no proof of physical release ( and it was true ).
So, I don't really understand, there is absolutely no proof for this band, no physical copy, and no digital ( around 9 minutes the EP ).
The band is probably split-up, the guy of this band don't go on his facebook.
What I want is to know if a physical proof has been found, or if Emptiness Cycle added this band with no proofs.
I just want to know how Svargaroth has been accepted.
Thanks.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:10 pm 
 

Deleted. EC added the release as a CD, but he did not include any evidence in the submission or moderator notes, nor did he ever share his sources. As a moderator at the time, his draft was auto-approved, since we assume a certain level of trustworthiness and transparency from staffers, among other things. EC has recently been let go due to a lack of those very attributes and thus this entry does not stand up to scrutiny. Regrettably, all of his band additions should be double-checked, really.
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:12 pm 
 

Yep, those bands might be verified too ( for them I don't really know annything about but there's no photos, no links etc... )
Weltbezwinger : https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/We ... 3540430484
Erga Homines : https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Er ... 3540430212
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:08 am 
 

That Weltbezwinger tape seems to exist. Erga Homines doesn't even have the full tracklist added, so that one may get nuked...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:25 pm 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Ambient is not metal, end of story. Bands can mix these and yes, black metal and ambient share a certain bond, but that doesn't magically turn the latter into a subgenre of the former. They are sonically quite distinct.

avisioncame wrote:
Guess I will have to run off and slap together a "black metal" album to fit in.

If you have so little self-confidence and artistic integrity that you are gonna let some site online dictate to you what kind of music you should make in order to "fit in", sure, knock yourself out. We can't stop you. It's certainly lame as hell, though.

"And what was the creative process for this release?" - "Well, I wanted to be listed in this metal database and for some odd reason they don't accept ambient bands, so..."



Was my sarcasm not obvious enough there?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:27 pm 
 

We get so many people making that claim in earnest that I kind of got desensitised.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:55 pm 
 

Deleted Mutilation from New York. No releases.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:06 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fi ... 3540428862

Grey area case... no physical release, and the full-length album listed on the page is still on pre-order and has been since the release date. There was an alternate (different mix) version of the album released on the same day to anybody who messaged the band's social media pages for a period of about a week requesting a copy of it. This version isn't on MA, but I have a copy and could add it if that's considered a valid release. Otherwise, these guys should probably be deleted.
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Bachstein
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:39 am 
 

Hi Mods,

I'd like to query why was Squalus https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Squalus/3540431766 accepted? Yes, it has some sludge/doom(?) elements, but I don't feel that is predominantly metal, but mostly some punk-hardcore mix.
Their album can be listened to below;
https://squalus.bandcamp.com/

What do you think about it?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:15 am 
 

Oh cool, Giant Squid 2.0. I'll have a look. EDIT: I'm still rather drunk from yesterday, but it sounds fine to me.

MutantClannfear wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fishslaughter/3540428862

Grey area case... no physical release, and the full-length album listed on the page is still on pre-order and has been since the release date. There was an alternate (different mix) version of the album released on the same day to anybody who messaged the band's social media pages for a period of about a week requesting a copy of it. This version isn't on MA, but I have a copy and could add it if that's considered a valid release. Otherwise, these guys should probably be deleted.

It's a digital release given out on request. Seems valid, both as a basis for inclusion and a separate version.
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Bachstein
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:53 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Oh cool, Giant Squid 2.0. I'll have a look. EDIT: I'm still rather drunk from yesterday, but it sounds fine to me.


Haha. :D
Okay, maybe you should give it another try once you sober up, if you feel like.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:12 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
The Plasmarifle - Dissonant technical hardcore similar to The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganze or a deathcorified Dillinger Escape Plan Lite


sometimes your blacklisting reason is helpful to discover a new band. thank you. :)

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:27 am 
 

Deleted Odal Rune and Herrlisheim Kommando. Ambient and riffless programmed... something, respectively.
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odium
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:31 am 
 

Why Vendel has been approved already, if their EP is still only for pre-order? Is 15 minutes digital material already accepted as enough length release?

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:32 am 
 

Deleted Moskote. Folk rock.
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Krister Jensen
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:11 am 
 

Vendel's tape is already available in a store:
Reforestation Records' post in VK - https://vk.com/club151471742?w=wall-67116905_1258
it does although say that the official release is in a week, but the tape is available anyway
"Horizon" shop's post - https://vk.com/horizonmoscow?w=wall-126283647_2908
all in Russian.

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odium
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:14 am 
 

Krister Jensen wrote:
...but the tape is available anyway
"Horizon" shop's post - https://vk.com/horizonmoscow?w=wall-126283647_2908
all in Russian.

Ok, did not see this link, thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:33 am 
 

Blood Iscariot was added a couple hours ago, however none of its releases are metal in the slightest: https://bloodiscariot.bandcamp.com/
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:54 am 
 

This was included for listening in the submission notes and it's black metal all the way through. Question is, would that be enough if the rest is power electronics? There's also some discrepancies here, like said demo not being listed in the discography and the label link refers to it as the second and final demo after Rotten Pose whereas our disco has another one before and several after it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:14 am 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Fromage_Qui_Pue wrote:
Hi,

Not about deleting a band, but i'm suspicious with country of this band:

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ka ... 3540408147

Their story looks a lot like a glurge, all known scenes in Angola are in Luanda and Benguela, their production and English sound suspiciously good and it's unusual to find Death/Grind bands out of Maghreb and South Africa...

No really proofs at this time i know, but maybe doubt can be introduced in description?
"In absence of proof this band is considered as angolan, but their story and material introduced some doubts about it"


Yes, this does seem suspicious. The "band photo" posted here appears to predate the band by several years, based on a TinEye search, and there is no evidence that it is actually this band. This makes me quite suspicious about the "missing limbs" story, as they're quite overt about capitalizing on it as a gimmick, yet there's no actual pictures of them. Besides that, no mention of them in the Death Metal Angola documentary.

I agree, it does seem suspicious. I will remove the picture and add a note to the page.


Little bit of necromancy from July (and not totally in line with this thread's purpose anymore), but since there are so many red flags on this band's background, would it not be better to change the country from Angola to Unknown? We've done it several times in the past when country of origin seems dubious (see Hautaaminen, Infertile Surrogacy, Janaza, Luftwaffe, Seeds of Iblis, Syphilitic Vaginas, تدنيس, etc), so it makes sense to change Katingation as well.
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Azmodes
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Agreed, changed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:05 am 
 

Pulse 8: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Pul ... iscography
You may wanna go back to 118527 bands.

Nu-metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6bOvpvM_ZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAo1rms7TcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHFnzZgLT6w

Groove/Nu-metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrrKeTUMIq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhuY4vyO63o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFD8Ey5M9Q

CDBaby: http://store.cdbaby.com/Artist/Pulse8
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pg/Officialpulse8/
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:36 am 
 

Is the rule of "at least 20 minutes digital releases" actual now?
Please look here:
Antre
Malakhim
Necrologium
Physical releases aren't mentioned for these bands, digital releases are less than 20 minutes.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:37 am 
 

^ Antre has a CD version, https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/A ... _EP/677065
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:18 am 
 

well, it was added a bit later my previous post =)
and what about the others?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:04 pm 
 

I wasn't sure where else to post this, and I figured that this was the best thread.

Why does Inhuman_Nameless get to submit bands with the minimal information possible? A few weeks ago, I wanted to submit a band, and he already sent it to the queue without adding the album, photos, or links. I looked through his history, and this seems to be the case for every band that he's added.

I've been reprimanded for poor submissions before, and I'm surprised he hasn't changed his habits.
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There might be different approaches from moderators. Personally it's not uncommon I reject sloppy work from experienced users.

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Midnight Rider
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:03 am 
 

Deleted Peace and Silence,

Hard Rock/Grunge/Alternative Metal with a strong resemblance to Stone Temple Pilots. Not predominantly metal.

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odium
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:20 pm 
 

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bl ... 3540433688

Any more info on that?

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odium wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bloody_Vengeance/3540433688

Any more info on that?


http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... -vengeance
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odium
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Diamhea wrote:
odium wrote:
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bloody_Vengeance/3540433688

Any more info on that?


http://depressiveillusions.com/items/ta ... -vengeance

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:01 pm 
 

Regarding Wheel of Doom (Japan), is it just me or does their first EP (the only release added when the band was approved here) sound more like nu-metal/alternative rock than doom/sludge?
Origin
Zo.Di.Ac
Border-Less
Float

In fact, their later releases don't seem to hold up much better.
Esperanto + Inner the Sky from Cosmosage (2008)
Nerius from Elcarim (2017)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:40 pm 
 

S9NE wrote:
Regarding Wheel of Doom (Japan), is it just me or does their first EP (the only release added when the band was approved here) sound more like nu-metal/alternative rock than doom/sludge?
Origin
Zo.Di.Ac
Border-Less
Float

In fact, their later releases don't seem to hold up much better.
Esperanto + Inner the Sky from Cosmosage (2008)
Nerius from Elcarim (2017)

Definitely not metal. Nü Metal/Alt-rock as you said. Removed.

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