Hey there,

I went to submit my own band, Zeolite and I was informed the band was blacklisted. I can can understand this if someone submitted in 2013 when there were core elements to our sound. However as of 2018, I feel our current release would qualify a listing -

www.zeolite.bandcamp.com

Couldn't find anything about Phantasma - band featuring Delain's vocalist. Sounds like a bit more symphonic version of Delain, had album out on Napalm Records.



What was the reason for blacklisting that one?

Blacklisted for being more symphonic/rock based than metal, November, 2015.

Well it's a collab between Serenity guitarist and Delain vocalist, has guest vocalists from Evergray and Van Canto (all 4 bands present on MA), and the album is out on Napalm Records (a predominantly metal label).

More "symphonic/rock based"? It ain't Stravinski collab with AC/DC.
It's basically same Delain + a little bit more orchestration, and Delain is present on MA.

But the decision is yours of course.

All of those elements are tangential and not really relevant when it comes to listing a band here. What matters most is whether or not the music itself is metal, and it's not with Phantasma. And, just for shiggles, even if where the members came from did matter, you're talking about a collab involving some of the lightest bands this site feasibly accepts along with a selected exception, playing an even less metal version of their already barely-metal main bands. They never stood a chance.

And it should go without saying, but in a world where Nickelback can be signed to Roadrunner, what label something is released on obviously holds no weight.

Hi, I would just like to know the reason why Everon from Germany is blacklisted.

Here's a link to their discography https://www.discogs.com/artist/1484188-Everon

And a song I listened to yesterday that made me want to know more about the band:

Thank you.

My friend submitted my band to MA a few months ago but were ultimately rejected for 'lack of release' from what I remember, despite the fact that a demo, EP and full-length have all been released. Any chance it can be removed from the blacklist? Genre is atmospheric black metal so I'm unsure as to what the problem is. cheers.

Everon is progressive rock, not progressive metal. We have some bands on MA that balances enough between the two to be included, but this one doesn't.

Alright, fair enough.

They're either tangential or irrelevant, can't be both.


Now you make it sound like I did not talk about the actual music - but I did. Read carefully:

This is about music, not about lineup, label or something else.

To make it especially clear for you:
Phantasma's music is just like Delain's music, only with a bit extra orchestration.
And again, Delain is on MA. So either Phantasma should be too, or Delain should be removed.


Says who? Isn't that subjective? If not - how was it objectively measured?


That, my friend, depends on a label. If shit label X signs all the bands they can - that doesn't mean that there can't exist a label Y that is very strict with what they sign.
In short, your example of Roadrunner and Nickelback is... tangential

Why was Derisum from Poland (now active as Cisza) blacklisted? Archived version of their site shows that their EP was physically released. Here's their Bandcamp.

Hello!
a few years back I requested to add a band under my solo project name ''Danny Kross'' and I was amateur I broke some rules on this website.
I am willing to add myself right now but it says that it is black listed.

I would like to request for the removal of the blacklist, as I am published with a label and have a valid digital release

see examples here:
https://www.amazon.com/Conflict-Explici ... B074WC2G73

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/conflict/1272763506

(or a simple google of Danny Kross - Conflict)

My apologies for my idiocies a few years back.

Cheers

Maybe you could start by revealing what band we're talking about and give some samples too.

Why has the progressive/experimental metal band What Escapes Me been rejected?

Because they aren't metal by our standards.

The guy has this link in his profile: https://inautumnus.bandcamp.com/album/intrusiveless

Hi.
It's my first time here because I never had sorta problems uploading stuff on this wonderful place since I'm in.
Anyway: I tried to add the band quoted in the subject (Le Ceneri, Death Metal) but when I sent it for submission, I forgot to put a link for music samples (my bad!). MY submission was obviously rejected because "the band is not metal".
Then I've updated the draft with Bandcamp and Soundcloud, where anybody can find music samples of the band but I can't submit the draft anymore because the band was blacklisted!!!
What can I do now?

Here the links, just to let you hear if the band is metal or not:
https://leceneri.bandcamp.com/releases
https://soundcloud.com/le-ceneri

Thank you!
Horns up.

Seems the idiocy is still going strong, since you apparently couldn't wait for a response and got yourself banned by evading the blacklist.


The Soundcloud tracks sound okay to me, but I wasn't the one who blacklisted the band. I'll reach out to the mod who did for comment.

thank you!

Please resubmit, but make sure to include the links.

Hi, guys

I just found out that one of my band submission was blacklisted under the slightly different name. I believe it was blacklisted before the time of my submission got accepted. It is "The Hangmans Lament" from Netherlands which was blacklisted under the name "The Hangman's Lament". I'm clarifying this to let you know that there is no way I was trying to evade the blacklist at that time. I'm fully aware of the consequence of evading the blacklist from my time here. I sincerely apologize that this happened.

So I think the re-evaluation is needed for this case.
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Th ... 3540428543
https://thehangmanslament.bandcamp.com/releases

Best regards

Thanks for letting us know. It was blacklisted in 2016 as predominantly nu-metal. I'll have a listen and delete (or not) soon.

Thank you so much. And whatever your decision is, I will accept that.

Done! I've updated the profile with all the band's links for music and social networks. Thank you!

I saw that the band Mourning Souls released an EP in 2016 and it was accepted, but in 2017 it was deleted from Metallum, I saw that their EP has enough Metal with a cover of Swedish band Lifelover, although it only had a record in Digital. But on August 30, the label Cvlminis released the album in 20 copies and in physical material, I have evidence of the CD and the sound.

EP:

https://cvlminis.bandcamp.com/album/dias-nublados

CDr:

https://www.discogs.com/Mourning-Souls- ... e/12460703

Photo:

https://img.discogs.com/VXh4K1I4KKpTr_t ... strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-12460703-1535729891-1786.jpeg.jpg

Whitelisted for further reevaluation.


Whitelisted.

More responses coming up, just waiting on some input from my colleagues.

Two other mods agree with me that this is acceptable brutal deathcore. Whitelisted.


Trying a new approach after constant blacklist evasion didn't work?


Not entirely sure, but this still sounds too -core.


Whitelisted.

So uhh... what's your point again?

The fact of the matter is that Phantasma is not metal by our definition, that's really the beginning and end of it. You've been around for fourteen years, surely you must know that that's how it works by now. MA defines metal as having metal riffs, which is obviously subjective but after nearly 124k bands accepted, the mods collectively have a pretty good idea of what the standards are. Phantasma doesn't pass those standards, oh well, doesn't mean they aren't good or you can't call them metal if you want to, that's fine, they just won't have a page here.

The thing is, you brought up a bunch of other points that don't factor in to our decision (comparing to other bands, what other bands the members play in, what label they're signed to) and I addressed those other points and explained why we don't take them into account. And in response you... argue semantics and try to rules-lawyer your way around those long standing reasons by just making the same point a second time? Yeah no, sorry.

Not trying to be pushy here, but bringing this up from a few pages back to make sure it doesn't get lost

That's alright, this thread can get busy and it's good when users repost stuff from a few pages back that we overlooked.

As for the music, this album is still progressive rock for the most part, so the blacklisting stands.

Well, that's a shame. It would have been nice to be included here.

Thanks for looking into it regardless

My point is clearly stated. Scroll up and read.


There is no formal metal definition anywhere on MA, and there couldn't be one - we both know evaluation of music is subjective and it can't be properly formalized without going into broad generalizations, every one of which would still be subjective.


Unfortunately, in 14 years all I've learned about how MA works is that it's ruled by snobbery, moderated by people who put their own subjective (and often baseless) opinions above everything else - even above facts. That is one thing I've learned well in 14 years, and, unfortunately, that doesn't seem to change.

I've even moved to discogs at one time, but there's a lot of work to be done there to have it close on metal part - so I gave MA a chance again, and, frankly, I must admit I was wrong


See above.


Actually you've tried to make it look like I didn't take into account the music at all - which I did. And then you've simply dismissed other factors as irrelevant, not "addressed" them in any way.


Whatever. I don't care if you include that band actually - I already know you won't and no amount of discussion can influence your decision, because you're closed to any information/opinions of others - you just don't have an open mind.

But again, I don't care. Merely pointing out inconsistencies in your replies.
Anyhow, not sure if I get a ban after this post, but I'm going back to discogs anyway.

Hi, the band April Fool was rejected for not having proof of a physical release, and my apologies for that, I tried to provide enough info despite not owning the CD currently, so I'd merely used a scan of the cover art that I had sitting around.

Sorry for the small photo, but this is from a closed Yahoo auction for the CD, and was the best I could find showing the actual CD, as PaganiusI requested. I've seen the CD for sale on multiple occasions, I just had never thought to grab photos of it before.

https://i.imgur.com/uIj0Bq5.jpg

We're not gonna ban you for disagreeing with us. That said, I hope you have a better time at Discogs.

Take care, and know that you're always welcome back.

Regarding April Fool, I have actually made a report on the band supporting the addition by showing links, So I am surprised, that Iwas rejected. Here is the link to a review by The site Melodic-Hardrock.com, which clearly says it is a CD, shows the cover scan, line-up, tracklisting and even has a short band bio. I hope, that it will clrar things up, since they do not certainly review digital or non-existent releases over there, it is a collector based resource:
http://melodic-hardrock.com/april-fool- ... -1st-1996/

That's not completely accurate. Has this site ever claimed to be a supreme authority on the definition of what is or isn't metal? I don't think so. All they are doing is setting standards and drawing a line somewhere, which is an unavoidable must for any metal site... what other choices do they have? Of course, their standards won't please everyone and no one is expected to agree with every single decision... I don't agree with some of the additions of selected non-metal bands (Stille Volk)... but the decisions of the site owners and staff have to be respected.

Secondly, bands are not assessed based on opinions nor personal likes and dislikes... I have frequently seen moderators speak very positively about blacklisted bands, and in other instances show a passionate dislike for bands that are on the site. Every single band in the queue is evaluated solely by its metalness. Last time I saw a moderator throwing in his personal opinions when a user asked about a blacklisted band, he was later scolded by an administrator in the same thread.

That all said, enjoy Discogs.

Greeting Mods,

cheers for checking out my request on the band High Tension from Australia.
Just editing this shorter. Realized that I don't care anymore if they are on this site or not.
If they are aloud sweet... I think they are pretty insane. Some Heavy/Stoner style metal. Maybe you will too?

cheers for your time, I still left the links if you or others want to check them out.

Some of their links:
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5l50jECqj1B8vSMOvdPrDH?si=AyJh_XS0TteCWYK8fGLz0A
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HighTensionBand/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCErDIAeR4N_A4SB9ncRGjUw
Web: https://www.hightension.com.au/
BandCamp: https://hightensionband.bandcamp.com/

Feel free to resubmit, but include the link in the submission notes

I swear the MA has the worst acceptance methods. I tried to add the black metal band Vermut that has a full length longer than 30 minutes but it said to wait for the band to have something physical. I wonder what you will do in the future because now less bands release their music physical. It's contradictory because you just accepted a band called "Mormo" that has a 36 min digital only demo and it was accepted. Another band that is blacklisted without need is Damaged from Puerto Rico. They are a pure thrash metal band and has a physical EP. Who are the moderators? Not satanic or kult enough?

Hi,

I just want to know about why The Greatness Design is blacklisted. You said is more core than metal but I think TGD has only few core influences.

Here's their full album if want to listen to them again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foCTQDdKVQ