the demo released on youtube(official chanel) from the band! check the links
do you mean the genre is wrong?

A Youtube stream is not a valid release. And I mean that the band was primarily rejected because it's not metal.


Let's not mince words. You specifically asked for "old mods", not simply a second opinion. That suggests that you do not accept the judgement of one group of mods as opposed to another. That's not too different from the often-cited and maligned "running to mommy if daddy says no" tactic. It's fine to ask for another set of ears, but to me this reeks of "can't a REAL mod take this one?".


Sure, newer mods are still getting the hang of how to deal with the site's various complexities, but we aren't appointing staffers willy-nilly. Implying that a certain mod's judgement is less worthy of being heeded is not only disrespectful to them, but also to the rest of us, who deemed them fit to be modded.

I'm listening to Grott right now, it's certainly quite crusty/hardcore. I would probably have kept it to a comment in the mod notes, without either approving or rejecting. I'm leaning no for now, though.

5. Comparing bands (don't)

This may seem like the obvious course of action in some cases, but be advised that we generally frown upon arguments like "you have band A listed and band B is similar, hence you must also accept band B". Please avoid this, as it comes with the following problems:
1) We simply do not work that way. Each band is assessed and judged on its own merit and trying to compare two distinct bands is treacherous business, even if they may sound similar. And if the two are indeed sonic carbon copies, perhaps the listed one should be deleted instead.
2) Since the site lists a (very) small number of non-metal exceptions, one might be tempted to use them as a reference point. However, these are exactly that, exceptions, and not subject to our guidelines on music.
3) Slippery slope. We do not want to base further inclusions solely on one or more listed band(s) that might be questionable or were wrongly approved to begin with. We would rather (re-)assess the proposed inclusion and the compared listed band(s) on their own instead of expanding a part of the database based around repeated instances of a resigned "we'll, we have this, why not this as well?". See item 1).
4) Most importantly, the Archives can in some ways be seen as a database of metal releases rather than bands. What that means is that in order to gain entry, a band only needs one predominantly metal release (ideally a full-length), regardless of the rest of their discography. This can result in bands starting out as metal, but changing to non-metal later or the reverse. More subtle cases exist, with bands being listed based on a (possibly lesser-known) fraction of their discography. So how does this connect to comparing bands? Well, it's simple: Since we judge releases, comparing band A as a whole to band B as a whole is a fallacious argument when one is actually comparing non-metal output of band A (accepted based on their metal output) to non-metal output of band B (unacceptable because they have no metal output). Consider it one level above arguing that band B should be included because they have a few songs as metal as band A's releases.

So again, each band is judged individually and we don't do the blind approach "A, hence also B".

Hello,

can you tell me, why my band "AdvenA" is blacklisted?
We play Progressive Thrash- Deathmetal, so i think we play "real" metal.
And we released our Album "Realität" on 2017-12-17.

I think this is a error.

Best regards
Denni97

"2017-12-17"? I assume you mean 2016.

The blacklist says it's more -core than metal. Please link to samples if you want a second opinion.

Oh, sure. Sorry.

I hope Spotify-Links are ok. (i have also Bandcamp-links)

https://open.spotify.com/track/7p5qkqLzAt0wyqbTUU7I0E
https://open.spotify.com/track/10yhDHOQLbjQm8qjpEasSY

https://advena1.bandcamp.com/track/am-siebten-tag
https://advena1.bandcamp.com/track/realit-t

...omg, so much fuss from one word... :-/

Could we PLEASE take it as "can't other-mod-whose-nickname-I've-seen-much-more-times take this one?"
Not because I don't believe that mod but because I want other opinion and oops! all of the others are "older" here, is it my fault too?!
Thanks for parenting me, I appreciate it but in Russian the word "old" means also "former", "previous", so I just meant the one whom I "know" here for a little bit more time.
I didn't mean his age although I am listening to rock and metal more than he lives
Anyway sorry for my English, and for other culture maybe, I also sometimes say racists words and condemn Christianity and politics, ok, come on, who's next to beat a boy?
And I've said "sorry" just some messages ago, should I make it again and again for every moderator who decides to curse me for the word "old"?


Sorry again for my English!
Does the last sentence means you doesn't hear metal there too?
Guys, I'm concerned much, several bands I've submitted last months were rejected for being not metal, some criteria have changed here or I'm getting too OLD?

Looks like two different mods agreed on this one being more -core. Myself, I'd say it's acceptable as far as borderline metalcore goes, but that's not enough to overturn the decision on its own.


Not entirely sure that any of this necessarily invalidates all of my previous points, but let's put this to rest already and chalk it up to a poor choice of words/language barrier. Please tone it down with the victim complex, though. It's a bit childish.


No, I hear it. I'm just doubtful as to whether it is predominant.

When was the first decision?
I think to that time we only had a song with metalcore elements.
Is there any possibility to remove us from the blacklist?

I just gave Advena another listen and discussed it with Azmodes. While there's some metal in here, it doesn't seem predominantly metal - it's more on the -core side of metalcore. Erosion and I discussed this band when it was submitted earlier this year. It will remain blacklisted.

Do you think so?
You are the first who said, we are more -core.
Well, i think i can't convince you.
Maybe with our second album.
Have a nice day

FYI, that doesn't necessarily mean no one else chipped in for a band assessment, since most of our staff discussion is done either in IRC or the HQ, both which are private and hidden to nonmods.

Hello guys,
can you tell me, why my band "The Fallen Lives" is blacklisted?
I think we play "real" metal.
we released our Album "Lallen Leaves" on 2012

Best regards
Yousl

Can Left to Starve be accepted now? They are crusty death metal and have a valid release, a digital EP from 2014. here's their bandcamp

https://lefttostarve.bandcamp.com/

First of all, no, they don't have a valid release.
Second, this is straight up crust punk.

The entry in the blacklist is old, so before a note was required. It's also for a band from Greece. Post samples of your music and we'll go from there.

Poem from Greece


mm nope, not in legal way
(on youtube there are all the tracks)

anyway, i've seen Poem and Persefone in a gig a few weeks ago,
and imho they are prog metal-prog rock with a little "sistem of a downish" line on the vocal part

but, i'm not an expert on recognize all metal genres..!

thanks and bye

"Fallen Leaves" is the debut album from "The Fallen Lives", released on 2012. It's the same greek band, from Thessaloniki.
The album consist on 8 songs:

Samples: 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · 8 songs

There's a streaming-only EP called "Architect of Grief" (sample)

Genre description & influences: link

ReverbNation / Facebook / YouTube / Twitter

Except of you can listen all first album and acoustics here https://myspace.com/thefallenlives/music/songs and 2 more songs for ep here https://www.reverbnation.com/fallenlives (my revemge and architecture of a grief)

Oh. Well apparently you went and got yourself banned for blacklist evasion. The answer to both your submissions is no, this is Nu Metal. Not acceptable.

Any resolution yet, guys?

maybe no Nu-metal but still metal!
i cant undestrand your reaction!

I checked on Youtube and sounds like the blacklisting still applies.


It's simple: As the rules clearly state, this site does not consider nu-metal to be metal.


The release is fine with me, but the music isn't, actually. Unacceptable goregrind.

yeap ! like all this bands! :


anyway! No way!

Notice that none of those bands have only nu-metal in their genre field.

What blacklist notes says on Dunia from Indonesia? And what year it was blacklisted?

Djent but borderline prog metal. 2017

Release evidence (independent release):

http://imgur.com/a/FQvPO

metalness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NmiULriAyM

thanks for your time

were Me and That Man considered for inclusion at all? if you don't mind me asking...

Please resubmit and include this in the "Submission notes" box.



It does not appear so.

Hey, the band "Calligram" was rejected last year. Since this rejection their EP was released. This is totally Black metal (with some hardcore influences) for the EP demimonde.
https://calligram.bandcamp.com/
It was rejected for "non metal", here with this second EP, it might be ok, I'm sure.
Thanks.

would you? they're a side-project by a fairly (in)famous metal musician, who released an album on a good label with proper distribution...

Why was Timōrātus blacklisted?

"Ambient, the eps are semi-programmed, noisy demo stuff"

Why/when were Aryan Wood and Ordo Nigris Imperia blacklisted?

Aryan Wood: "Only two covers and a noise track on a split thus far" (May 2016)

Ordo Nigris Imperia: "Ambient: more Hitler speeches than metal." (April 2017)

That's ... odd. Most of his stuff is definitely not ambient. This album seems to meet site qualifications (or is at least significantly more metal than ambient?) Should I wait until the physical version comes out?

Aryan Wood has gone more metal, but I'm waiting a valid release.

Some blackened drone/doom/ambient thing, I'm getting significantly more atmosphere than actual riffs from this.

They put out a cassette with Winter Solace Productions in March.

Proof of release: http://www.wintersolaceproductions.com/ ... uct_id=266
Samples (.rar download): https://yadi.sk/d/q9ZvfBGlw2Q5E
Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/Aryan-Wood-Magi ... e/10045059