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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:48 pm 
 

Well in our opinion djent is a genre, an unacceptable one at that. Different strokes for different folks, there's no need to continue debating.
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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:15 pm 
 

Oh, I forgot the link to the audio if someone want to check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iecbZwFzSVA
Can a moderator unblacklist them?

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Coreblade
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:58 pm 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Well in our opinion djent is a genre, an unacceptable one at that. Different strokes for different folks, there's no need to continue debating.


Ok I see. I wouldn't say Stefans music is djent, but rather progressive or instrumental metal. Thanks for your time and it's a pity the entry can't be accepted.

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:46 pm 
 

Coreblade wrote:
Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Well in our opinion djent is a genre, an unacceptable one at that. Different strokes for different folks, there's no need to continue debating.


Ok I see. I wouldn't say Stefans music is djent, but rather progressive or instrumental metal. Thanks for your time and it's a pity the entry can't be accepted.


No worries dude, keep in mind blacklisting isn't permanent. Once they release more material they can be brought up for reevaluation.
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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:17 pm 
 

Axel666MoWi wrote:
Oh, I forgot the link to the audio if someone want to check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iecbZwFzSVA
Can a moderator unblacklist them?


Mud Digger is acceptable death metal. Whitelisted.

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TexanCycoThrasher
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:54 pm 
 

Attempted to add Judiciary from Lubbock, Texas, it came up as Judiciary (US) is blacklisted. The link below is the Judiciary I'm attempting to add. Thank you for your time.
https://judiciarytx.bandcamp.com/album/ ... f-equality

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Shadechaser
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:43 am 
 

Derigin wrote:
We consider the 20 minute rule flexible, as Paganius pointed out, but just as he also pointed out we do consider production and quality of the release for digital-only bands, as well.

Derigin wrote:
The only thing that matters is if the album is predominantly metal.

:durr:

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odium
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:06 am 
 

Why has Mould Palace been blacklisted? I agree that the quality is poor (probably intentionally), but that's a mix of Funeral Doom and Black Metal, in my opinion. Released on tape:

https://cirsiumkollektivet.bandcamp.com ... gus-empire

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Axel666MoWi
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:55 am 
 

odium wrote:
Why has Mould Palace been blacklisted? I agree that the quality is poor (probably intentionally), but that's a mix of Funeral Doom and Black Metal, in my opinion. Released on tape:

https://cirsiumkollektivet.bandcamp.com ... gus-empire


I agree

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aapo666
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:50 am 
 

why is "shadow's mortuary" blacklisted? black/death metal and their upcoming full-length album sounding less death and more like black. i tried to add this band again because it got rejected and the reason was something about not having releases (even tho i had added the debut ep?) i was like okay and added some more info until i decided to submit the band and i got the thing saying that the band is blacklisted. why is that?

links to their music:

track from debut ep:

track from upcoming full-lenght:


facebook page: https://facebook.com/shadowsmortuaryofficial/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0

thanks.

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:57 am 
 

aapo666 wrote:
why is "shadow's mortuary" blacklisted? black/death metal and their upcoming full-length album sounding less death and more like black. i tried to add this band again because it got rejected and the reason was something about not having releases (even tho i had added the debut ep?) i was like okay and added some more info until i decided to submit the band and i got the thing saying that the band is blacklisted. why is that?

links to their music:

track from debut ep:

track from upcoming full-lenght:


facebook page: https://facebook.com/shadowsmortuaryofficial/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0

thanks.

Because it was submitted repeatedly without proof for a valid release. A 8 minute EP isn't quite valid. Please wait for the album to release and ask again :)
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RShard
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:34 am 
 

Hi!

Recently, I tried to submit my band 'Overhaul' to the metal archives, but it appears we've been blacklisted and I don't know why. We released a full-length, 'Notes by an Unstable Muser', last year through Freya Records and in addition to that we have a live album and a demo EP. You can find all our material on https://overhaul.bandcamp.com/

If you don't want to scroll through an entire album, here's videos for the three singles we released:

Blue Box: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi8K_CokLKs
The Dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjhAqcySEaU
Aeons & Life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0prAS4gOEk

We'd love to be added to the metal archives. Thanks for your consideration :)
Kind regards!

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cranial crusher
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:06 am 
 

What does the blacklist note for Luicidal (US) say?
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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:38 am 
 

TexanCycoThrasher wrote:
Attempted to add Judiciary from Lubbock, Texas, it came up as Judiciary (US) is blacklisted. The link below is the Judiciary I'm attempting to add. Thank you for your time.
https://judiciarytx.bandcamp.com/album/ ... f-equality

It's the same band. Blacklisted in mid-2017 fot being predominantly hardcore.
odium wrote:
Why has Mould Palace been blacklisted? I agree that the quality is poor (probably intentionally), but that's a mix of Funeral Doom and Black Metal, in my opinion. Released on tape:
https://cirsiumkollektivet.bandcamp.com ... gus-empire

EDIT: Whitelisted.
RShard wrote:
Recently, I tried to submit my band 'Overhaul' to the metal archives, but it appears we've been blacklisted and I don't know why. We released a full-length, 'Notes by an Unstable Muser', last year through Freya Records and in addition to that we have a live album and a demo EP. You can find all our material on https://overhaul.bandcamp.com/

Blacklisted in late 2016 for being predominantly Prog Rock. I'll ask the mod who blacklisted it to reassess the band.
cranialcrusherabc wrote:
What does the blacklist note for Luicidal (US) say?

Predominantly Punk. Blacklisted in late 2015.
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RShard
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:28 pm 
 

OpsiusCato wrote:
RShard wrote:
Recently, I tried to submit my band 'Overhaul' to the metal archives, but it appears we've been blacklisted and I don't know why. We released a full-length, 'Notes by an Unstable Muser', last year through Freya Records and in addition to that we have a live album and a demo EP. You can find all our material on https://overhaul.bandcamp.com/

Blacklisted in late 2016 for being predominantly Prog Rock. I'll ask the mod who blacklisted it to reassess the band.


Thanks!

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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:57 pm 
 

Shadechaser wrote:
Derigin wrote:
We consider the 20 minute rule flexible, as Paganius pointed out, but just as he also pointed out we do consider production and quality of the release for digital-only bands, as well.

Derigin wrote:
The only thing that matters is if the album is predominantly metal.

:durr:

Yeah, I mean it's not like there's this thing called context and it was pretty clear what derigin was talking about in each case or anything. Not at all like you're being intentionally dense and quote-mining.

Honestly, I've had it with your douchebag attitude. You're on thin ice.
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Deasmhumhan
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:57 pm 
 

Am trying to submit Irish metal band Uaigneas but the band appears to be blacklisted. I have no idea why. How can this be resolved ?
Many thanks.

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OpsiusCato
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:23 pm 
 

Deasmhumhan wrote:
Am trying to submit Irish metal band Uaigneas but the band appears to be blacklisted. I have no idea why.

The blacklist note is old. There's no date to it. But it says it's predominantly ambient/folk and doesn't fall under the side-project rule.
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Shadechaser
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:09 am 
 

Azmodes wrote:
Honestly, I've had it with your douchebag attitude. You're on thin ice.

you were the last man from whom I expected direct public insult.
quite sadly.
no way to defend user's opinion.

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nonpointer
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:13 am 
 

Hi,
the band "I Divine" was rejected because no one found any sample of their music, so here they are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCLfBoYLjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi4C8j7hLk0

This band was formed when Sear Bliss was inactive.

Regards,

Alex

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:34 am 
 

nonpointer wrote:
Hi,
the band "I Divine" was rejected because no one found any sample of their music, so here they are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCLfBoYLjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi4C8j7hLk0

This band was formed when Sear Bliss was inactive.

Regards,

Alex

Include those links in your submission notes and re-submit.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:45 am 
 

TheStormIRide wrote:
Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Making an inquiry about the New York band Stigmata. Their early work has been on the Metalcore / New York Hardcore continuum which is quite borderline in places ("The Heart Grows Harder" might be acceptable), but has anyone laid ears on Stigmata's 2015 album "Conditioned to Murder"? That seems to be acceptably Metal on account of the Groove elements.


I remember these guys from back in the day. I had no idea they were still active (or were active into 2015, at least). I'm inclined to say this at least metallic enough for a reevaluation, but it appears to have already been evaluated in November 2015.

Hey Azmodes, you wrote the blacklist note, what are you thoughts on this newer album?

Very groove metal; might qualify, I'll whitelist it so that more mods will have a look in the queue. This isn't a guarantee, mind you.

Shadechaser wrote:
Azmodes wrote:
Honestly, I've had it with your douchebag attitude. You're on thin ice.

you were the last man from whom I expected direct public insult.
quite sadly.
no way to defend user's opinion.

Your "opinion" was blatantly misrepresenting what derigin said, a half-assed attempt to point out a contradiction you full well knew wasn't there. I have little tolerance for disingenious bullshit like that, especially when it's only the last instance of a long history of generally insufferable behaviour. Enough now.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:47 am 
 

I submitted the band Colossal Figures https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Co ... 3540441912. MA rejected it saying it wasn't metal.

The band on their Bandcamp profile https://colossalfigures.bandcamp.com/ have described themselves as read below:

"...the idea that began as metalcore, but quickly metamorphosed and evolved to a progressive standpoint."

One more thing, one of the tags given by Bandcamp or maybe the band themself to describe their music is progressive metal as seen under the tag field in the bottom of their Bandcamp profile.

I therefore believe that a progressive metal band like Colossal Figures' rejection for entry into the MA should be reconsidered in light of the facts stated above and it should be granted entry into the MA as a progressive metal band.


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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:21 am 
 

The band can call themselves whatever they like, that does not mean they play what we deem to be acceptable metal.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:08 pm 
 

But, it's possible that the tag of progressive metal was given by Bandcamp instead of the band. Who gave the tag isn't known.

I'd like to request MA administrators/moderators to once again please review Colossal Figures band submission.

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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:16 pm 
 

VGanesh wrote:
But, it's possible that the tag of progressive metal was given by Bandcamp instead of the band. Who gave the tag isn't known.

I'd like to request MA administrators/moderators to once again please review Colossal Figures band submission.

The artist sets the tags.
https://daily.bandcamp.com/2010/02/11/o ... community/
And even if it was Bandcamp who sets the tags, they might not match with our standards anyways.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:49 pm 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
VGanesh wrote:
But, it's possible that the tag of progressive metal was given by Bandcamp instead of the band. Who gave the tag isn't known.

I'd like to request MA administrators/moderators to once again please review Colossal Figures band submission.

The artist sets the tags.
https://daily.bandcamp.com/2010/02/11/o ... community/
And even if it was Bandcamp who sets the tags, they might not match with our standards anyways.


It's disappointing to know that this band doesn't match up to the standards expected from a metal band and therefore can't be submitted by me to the MA.

Thanks for clearing my confusion.

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NathAhti
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:17 pm 
 

theunrelentingattack wrote:
They were blacklisted back in 2013 for being more rock than metal

Hi, I'm quoting this comment further to Millac68's question dated 21 Aug 2016 on why French band Malemort was blacklisted.

I do not question the decision made back in 2013, but their style has significantly evolved since.
Their latest album Ball-Trap can be listened here: https://malemort.bandcamp.com/album/ball-trap, to me it is clearly metal. Furthermore, lately they have played in major European metal festivals like Hellfest (FR) and Metaldays (SL).

What do you think?

Thank you!

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Hanten Kurosu
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:40 pm 
 

Hey, so just to make sure, because I think I know the answer.
Why was the project ᛋᚨᛗᚨᛖᛚ rejected?

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:45 pm 
 

Because it's demo quality and the last track wasn't metal so we're talking roughly 15 minutes of demo quality digital release. I didn't blacklist it, resubmit whenever a new release comes out.
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joecubbie
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:40 am 
 

Can GBH be reevaluated for their 1990 album, From Here to Reality? Unlike their 80s output which is hardcore punk, this is a crossover thrash album to my ears.
https://youtu.be/1BxIBWs3MIw

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:45 am 
 

I want to submit the below-mentioned four bands to the MA, but, MA tells me that these four bands have been blacklisted and submitting them is a bannable offence. I searched the MA forum for the reasons for blacklisting these four bands, but, I couldn't find the reason for blacklisting these four bands.

1. Grossty
http://grossty.bandcamp.com
https://grossty.bandcamp.com/album/croc ... &tab=music

2. Mute The Saint
http://mutethesaint.bandcamp.com
http://www.redwolf.in/mute-the-saint-debut-ep-cd

3. Pin Drop Violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin_Drop_Violence

4. The Minerva Conduct
http://theminervaconduct.bandcamp.com
http://theminervaconductband.bandcamp.com
https://theminervaconductband.bandcamp. ... &tab=music

I request the MA administrators and moderators to please tell me the reason for blacklisting these four metal bands as I want to submit these four bands to the MA.

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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:22 am 
 

Grossty - powerviolnce/grind from 2013
Mute the saint - djent 2017
Pin drop violence - mostly hardcore, there's no date given so it's extremely old
Minerva conduct - djent 2017
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Helvede
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:42 am 
 

Also, I've just rejected your submission of a punk rock band. That band has no place here on so many levels, I suggest you take a long, good look at our rules and guidelines and cross check with your planned submissions and see if they fit - before adding bands. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:04 am 
 

Erosion of Humanity wrote:
Grossty - powerviolnce/grind from 2013
Mute the saint - djent 2017
Pin drop violence - mostly hardcore, there's no date given so it's extremely old
Minerva conduct - djent 2017


Thanks for the reasons, but, isn't grind also one of the genres played by Grossty? So, can't a grind band be added to the MA?

I didn't get you as to what you meant by date for Pin Drop Violence. You can have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin_Drop_Violence this for Pin Drop Violence and tell me whether it can be added to the MA or not.


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Helvede wrote:
Also, I've just rejected your submission of a punk rock band. That band has no place here on so many levels, I suggest you take a long, good look at our rules and guidelines and cross check with your planned submissions and see if they fit - before adding bands. Thank you.


It's disappointing for me to know that you've rejected my submission of the punk rock band Ramshackle https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ra ... 3540444314 submitted by me.

I've read the rules (detailed version at https://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules#) and they say as read below:

"We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

Side-projects of notable metal band members (ex. Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Evas)."

Going by this rule, since Ramshackle consists of a notable metal band like Demonic Resurrection's https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... ction/8293 The Demonstealer https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... aler/20007 therefore, shouldn't Ramshackle be accepted into the MA?

The thing is I tried to cross-check for my submission of Ramshackle and I got only one response and that too from Oxenkiller https://www.metal-archives.com/board/me ... le&u=97416 at https://www.metal-archives.com/board/vi ... 1&t=121864.

Since the MA forum members don't tell or try to clear confusion regarding submissions from what I've seen [see this "NOTE: This thread is NOT for asking about whether a certain band is acceptable or not. Initial assessment of bands is what the band queue is for. This thread is for appeals to/questions about rejections/deletions/blacklistings only. Don't try to cut in line. We don't do "pre-checks", so don't bother asking." - by Fanfarigoule https://www.metal-archives.com/board/me ... le&u=11736 at https://www.metal-archives.com/board/vi ... =3&t=64985 and based on my response to the above-mentioned topic about Ramshackle, I decided to submit Ramshackle and one more band Scribe which I submitted today.

Now, in view of all that I've written, what can I do expect, but, submit a band after having read the rules.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:01 am 
 

VGanesh wrote:
Thanks for the reasons, but, isn't grind also one of the genres played by Grossty? So, can't a grind band be added to the MA?

I didn't get you as to what you meant by date for Pin Drop Violence. You can have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin_Drop_Violence this for Pin Drop Violence and tell me whether it can be added to the MA or not.


Grind (grindcore) on its's own is not a metal genre, it's a genre based in punk. Punk is not metal. The grindcore bands you find here at MA are accepted, because they have mixed grindcore and metal (most often death metal) to an acceptable degree. You provide samples, we evaluate.

For the other band, no, we're not accepting a band described as nu metal, metalcore and groove on wikipedia without listening to samples provided by you.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:07 am 
 

VGanesh wrote:
It's disappointing for me to know that you've rejected my submission of the punk rock band Ramshackle https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ra ... 3540444314 submitted by me.

I've read the rules (detailed version at https://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules#) and they say as read below:

"We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

Side-projects of notable metal band members (ex. Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Evas)."

Going by this rule, since Ramshackle consists of a notable metal band like Demonic Resurrection's https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... ction/8293 The Demonstealer https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... aler/20007 therefore, shouldn't Ramshackle be accepted into the MA?

The thing is I tried to cross-check for my submission of Ramshackle and I got only one response and that too from Oxenkiller https://www.metal-archives.com/board/me ... le&u=97416 at https://www.metal-archives.com/board/vi ... 1&t=121864.

Since the MA forum members don't tell or try to clear confusion regarding submissions from what I've seen [see this "NOTE: This thread is NOT for asking about whether a certain band is acceptable or not. Initial assessment of bands is what the band queue is for. This thread is for appeals to/questions about rejections/deletions/blacklistings only. Don't try to cut in line. We don't do "pre-checks", so don't bother asking." - by Fanfarigoule https://www.metal-archives.com/board/me ... le&u=11736 at https://www.metal-archives.com/board/vi ... =3&t=64985 and based on my response to the above-mentioned topic about Ramshackle, I decided to submit Ramshackle and one more band Scribe which I submitted today.

Now, in view of all that I've written, what can I do expect, but, submit a band after having read the rules.



You can argue the side-project rule is kind of arbitrary, and yes, it is.
With all due respect, those bands and members are not notable enough to have pages for all their fun side projects.

Besides that your band doesn't have a valid discography anyways. This is very clear in the rules what constitute a valid discography.

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Helvede wrote:
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It's disappointing for me to know that you've rejected my submission of the punk rock band Ramshackle https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ra ... 3540444314 submitted by me.

I've read the rules (detailed version at https://www.metal-archives.com/content/rules#) and they say as read below:

"We accept the following non-metal bands in certain cases (these exceptions can be ambiguous and debatable - scroll down for details):

Side-projects of notable metal band members (ex. Pain, Wongraven, Die Verbannten Kinder Evas)."

Going by this rule, since Ramshackle consists of a notable metal band like Demonic Resurrection's https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/De ... ction/8293 The Demonstealer https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... aler/20007 therefore, shouldn't Ramshackle be accepted into the MA?

The thing is I tried to cross-check for my submission of Ramshackle and I got only one response and that too from Oxenkiller https://www.metal-archives.com/board/me ... le&u=97416 at https://www.metal-archives.com/board/vi ... 1&t=121864.

Since the MA forum members don't tell or try to clear confusion regarding submissions from what I've seen [see this "NOTE: This thread is NOT for asking about whether a certain band is acceptable or not. Initial assessment of bands is what the band queue is for. This thread is for appeals to/questions about rejections/deletions/blacklistings only. Don't try to cut in line. We don't do "pre-checks", so don't bother asking." - by Fanfarigoule https://www.metal-archives.com/board/me ... le&u=11736 at https://www.metal-archives.com/board/vi ... =3&t=64985 and based on my response to the above-mentioned topic about Ramshackle, I decided to submit Ramshackle and one more band Scribe which I submitted today.

Now, in view of all that I've written, what can I do expect, but, submit a band after having read the rules.



You can argue the side-project rule is kind of arbitrary, and yes, it is.
With all due respect, those bands and members are not notable enough to have pages for all their fun side projects.

Besides that your band doesn't have a valid discography anyways. This is very clear in the rules what constitute a valid discography.


Is a punk side-project of a member of a band like Demonic Resurrection which won The Global Metal Award at The Metal Hammer Golden God's not notable enough for inclusion in the MA?

http://www.demonicresurrection.in/demon ... lden-gods/

If a band like Infinite Hate Project with just two songs totalling at 2 minutes and 43 seconds with an appearance on a compilation album at https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/I ... lit/172425 can have an acceptable discography for the MA, why can't Ramshackle with two singles be considered for acceptance in the MA?

Also, can you please give your reason for arriving at a conclusion that the side-project in question is a fun side-project?


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Helvede wrote:
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Thanks for the reasons, but, isn't grind also one of the genres played by Grossty? So, can't a grind band be added to the MA?

I didn't get you as to what you meant by date for Pin Drop Violence. You can have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pin_Drop_Violence this for Pin Drop Violence and tell me whether it can be added to the MA or not.


Grind (grindcore) on its's own is not a metal genre, it's a genre based in punk. Punk is not metal. The grindcore bands you find here at MA are accepted, because they have mixed grindcore and metal (most often death metal) to an acceptable degree. You provide samples, we evaluate.

For the other band, no, we're not accepting a band described as nu metal, metalcore and groove on wikipedia without listening to samples provided by you.


You can listen to Pin Drop Violence's music at http://www.myspace.com/gutterment. Please listen to their music and let me know if they can be included in the MA.

I've a request. Skyharbor is band which I wish to add to the MA, but, MA has blacklisted it. Can you please give the reason for the blacklisting? You can listen to Skyharbor's music at
http://music.basickrecords.com/album/bl ... sion-chaos and http://music.basickrecords.com/album/guiding-lights?

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