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RDSDS
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:47 am
Posts: 42
Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:07 am 
 

First trade went really well.
Second trade went all wrong. Read about it in the bottom of the page.

Username @ Metal Archives: baorta
Alfonso Lattuca
Cannaregio 471/b
30121 Venezia (ve)
Italia

Seller @ Discogs.com: https://www.discogs.com/seller/spidersd ... on/profile


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into_the_pit
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Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:40 pm
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Location: Hedonist Occupation Government
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:52 pm 
 

first trade conducted with him, very good experience. recommended trader.
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RDSDS
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:47 am
Posts: 42
Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:42 pm 
 

Well, unfortunately, I have to consider this user a rip-off!
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191189

I lost 20 titles, between new CDs & 2nd hand near-mint. No scratches, no dents in the booklets, perfect condition digipacks...
Only one CD had scratches and I warned him about that.

And what do I get in return? Garbage. Completely scratched CDs, dirt (or wtf was that?! I'm still not sure!) glued in the CDs, booklets torn apart, promos, etc.
I doubt some of the CDs would even play! Didn't even tried it to avoid damaging my player.
All this after the guy telling me that his CDs were near mint remainders from a closed record shop!

The very same day I received the package, told the guy I was going to send all back and that I wanted my perfect CDs returned.
He said that was impossible because he had already traded most of my CDs. WTF?! He just got the package!
I send back the package with his CDs and about 4 PMs later, and over 30 days... no reply from the guy!

You may understand that I'm really pissed after losing such amount of perfect CDs!

So, if you received any of these titles from him, well... the CD is yours now, because it's not your fault. But please bear in mind that it is a product of a huge rip-off!

1. Acid King – Busse Woods Cd Re-Relase Bonus Tracks
2. Astrovamps – Amerikan Gothick Cd
3. Cannibal Corpse – Gore Obsessed Cd With Bonus Track
4. Cradle Of Filth – Thornography
5. Cryptic Vision – Live At Rosfest 2005 Cd
6. D-A-D – The Early Years 2cd Digipack
7. Danzig – I Luciferi Cd
8. December Wolves – Completely Dehumanized Cd
9. Engorged – Engorged Cd
10. Grip inc. – nemesis cd
11. Jag Panzer – Thane To The Throne Cd
12. Morbid Death – echoes of solitude cd
13. Sepultura – Roorback+Revolusongs 2cd Digipack
14. Svartskogg – Helvete 666 Cd
15. The Cramps – Fiends Of Dope Island Cd
16. The Haunted – Revolver Cd Special Edition Digipack
17. wildhearts-fishing
18. bret michaels-a salute to poison
19. the great kat 1
20. the great kat 2

MESSAGE TO BAORTA:
If you want my rip-off alert deleted, there's two alternatives:
either you send me back ALL MY CDs;
or you pay the right amount for all of it.


Last edited by dreadmeat on Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
contact info removed [for now]

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PowerProg_Adam
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Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2003 7:07 pm
Posts: 304
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:07 am 
 

Traded about 50 cds over 2 trades and had zero problems.

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dreadmeat
emere vendere cambire

Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:50 am
Posts: 7886
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:39 am 
 

By the looks of his trade thread he has about 10 deals on the go...
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SARCASTIC
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:06 am
Posts: 152
Location: Greece
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:07 am 
 

Well after our final trade agreement(4 cd titles of my list for 4 cd of his list) he sent
4 cd but only the 3 titles were correct and the one title cd was something that I didn't want
(and of course not in our final trade agreement).
I sent him my package/part of the trade without "mistakes" and registered.
(He also sent me his package registered and both packages from each side arrived safe.)
I informed him about his mistake and he replied that he made a great confusion and that he will solve
the problem after 16th of August.
Never replied to my last message and almost after one month still waiting for a reply
(almost two months from our final trade agreement).
I would let it be but then I read the RDSDS report/message so
I decided to leave feedback/report message.
I'm still waiting for the reaction from Baorta side after RDSDS message.
That silent behaviour looks quite suspicious.........................
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dreadmeat
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Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:50 am
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:12 am 
 

He logged in today which is a good sign :nods:
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:13 am 
 

So has he responded to anyone?
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RDSDS
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:47 am
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Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:59 pm 
 

No reply so far... :(
He logged Sept 12th so, he must have read my messages (and other users' too), as well as the posts about him.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:13 pm 
 

Not necessarily, you can login and not check messages.

Anyway these people he has listed in his trade thread as being in trade with
User names corrected by me.

crazypaean999 +
croverkill *
into_the_pit *
PowerProg_Adam *
RDSDS *
SARCASTIC *
sergey tko *
Speedyk *
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* responded in thread + responded in pm

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SARCASTIC
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:06 am
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Location: Greece
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:44 am 
 

Usually the final result in these situations is aways the same.
I don't think that we have an exception here but who khows?
Time shall tell but still believe that this silent behaviour looks quite suspicious.........................
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dreadmeat
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:37 am 
 

Have you guys looked elsewhere too, NWN! etc
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I have invited him to visit this thread Mon 21 Sep 2015 10:03 am

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:59 am 
 

No response to my PM yet 21 Sep 2015 10:02
He hasn't logged in either
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RDSDS
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:47 am
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Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:25 pm 
 

SARCASTIC wrote:
Usually the final result in these situations is aways the same.


Exactly, and I'm starting to think this is not an exception.
Did the other traders have any reply from him?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:10 pm 
 

I'll message them for an update.
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croverkill
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Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:31 pm
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Location: Croatia
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:25 am 
 

I actually received his package last month, everything was as described. This was our 4th successful deal and hopefully not the last one!
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Speedyk
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Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:48 am
Posts: 110
Location: Russia
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:23 am 
 

I had 2 trades with Baorta. The 1st one was near 2 years ago. The last trade was 3 months ago and all was without any problems. But i have trade with RDSDS within last 2 months also. And all was fine also...
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SARCASTIC
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:06 am
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Location: Greece
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:52 am 
 

Usually (or very often) these situations happen with big trades and with reliable(so far)traders.
Usually the final result in these situations is aways the same.
I don't khow if we have an exception here and after one month without reaction...
I still believe that this silent behaviour looks suspicious.........................
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sergey tko
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Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:11 am
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Location: Ukraine
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:46 am 
 

Here’s my experience.
We had a 10 for 10 deal, CDs were described as “almost new, all shop reminders”.
In fact 3 arrived heavily scratched (probably playable, didn’t try yet) and a couple just in good shape.
At the same time, one of the items I picked was an old school fatbox.
I asked if he could send it without dismantling, and he did it without a question.
He also sent 2 CDs SEALED in jewel cases, without me even asking about it – and it matters when you’re shipping registered.
So in my book Alfonso is not a bad man, but a somewhat careless trader.

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SARCASTIC
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Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:06 am
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Location: Greece
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:20 pm 
 

sergey tko wrote:
So in my book Alfonso is not a bad man, but a somewhat careless trader.


Well if you read my messages I'm still waiting for a reaction from him.
Never traded so far with RDSDS but when I read his message I decided to share my experience with trader Baorta.
For me is not a somewhat careless trader even if he sent his packages registered.
I don't khow if he is a bad man or not but I khow that............... this silent behaviour looks suspicious.
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RDSDS
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:47 am
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Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:52 pm 
 

I'm also still waiting for a reply, or my CDs returned.
Nothing so far...

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dreadmeat
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:15 am 
 

I've heard nothing, it's like poking a dead jellyfish on the beach...
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PowerProg_Adam
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:10 pm 
 

I've traded him like 70 cds over 2 trades. I'm not one to care about condition too much as long as they play fine. I have zero complaints about him at all, but I realize condition is a big thing to some traders.

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RDSDS
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:47 am
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Location: Portugal
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:45 pm 
 

That's it for me. No replies to any of my countless PMs, no reply to dreadmeat, no reply to these posts, ...
He logged in September 12th, saw what was happening, read the PMs and... disappeared for good.
I now officially consider the guy a Rip-Off!
I will spread his name and address all over the web.
This subject is done for me.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:03 am 
 

Are your pms to him in sent or the outbox?
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RDSDS
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:49 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Are your pms to him in sent or the outbox?

Sent

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:42 am 
 

I just sent him an email, if he fails to respond I'll likely ban him :|
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:30 pm 
 

No response at all to anything so far, pretty slack.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:36 am 
 

Account disabled for now, my inbox is always open should he choose to contact me about this decision...
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RDSDS
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:39 am 
 

I finally found the bastard after 2 years!
He is a seller @ Discogs.com: https://www.discogs.com/seller/spidersd ... on/profile
All my CDs (which he claimed he didn't have anymore, only a few days after our trade) are in his catalogue.

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