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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:20 am 
 
MutantClannfear wrote:
So, I got Dirt today and I'm hearing it for its entirety for the first time (it's the last of the first four albums I'd yet to acquire). Honestly, it's kind of underwhelming... Black Gives Way to Blue was my first Alice in Chains album, and even after listening to all of the others I feel like it's hundreds of miles ahead of all their other material. The first three albums just seem so short-sighted, with their overly sing-songy chuggy riffs that don't seem to pay mind to melody, choruses that don't make much sense, and general lack of intelligent composition. Meanwhile, BGWTB is literally perfect, or damn near close to it: it's absurdly heavy, much more legitimately moody, the vocals are better (I slightly prefer DuVall to Staley, but I also appreciate the upped presence of Cantrell's singing on that album), the vocal *harmonies* in particular are astonishing, and the songwriting feels so natural and smooth on that album. It also succumbs to a lot less of the quietLOUDquietLOUDquietLOUD dynamics than the first three albums seem to adore.

Am I alone in feeling this way? That the band went from relatively decent to holy-shit-one-of-the-best-albums-of-all-time but only post-reunion?


Nah the s/t and their two EPs are still the best they did. Black Gives Way to Blue is really good too though. I'd put their newest on par with Dirt and Facelift though - very solid.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:33 am 
 
I've got a hold recently of TDPDH and it's pretty good. It's surprising that a post-reunion band can maintain such a high quality of releases.
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shouvince
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:18 pm 
 
I think Facelift and Dirt are amazing. There are plenty of memorable, or so to say, timeless tracks on them. The only other album I've heard is BGWTB, which is also pretty good. I've missed few releases in between but the general feeling I get is that the band hasn't wavered too much in terms of putting quality stuff out there. That said, BGWTB has some good tracks but not nearly at par with - Dam that river, Man in the box, Sea of sorrow, Angry Chair, Would etc. But I definitely agree with the sentiment that their post-reunion material is quite good overall.
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Thumbman
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:58 pm 
 
I'd say Dirt is probably their best album. BGWTB was really good, but to be perfectly honest, I like the new one better.

So last night started nice enough, sat down to drink a Guinness, smoke a cigar and talk politics with my roommate. Then we decided to have a bit of whisky some guy left at our house (we live in a frat house so people are always leaving behind alcohol). Next thing we know it's past 4 and we're both plastered watching Rob Ford videos. Had to wake up early completely hung over for a morning class which turned out to be cancelled anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:07 pm 
 
I lucked out in that the vast majority of my morning classes were lectures where I could nod off if necessary, while my discussion classes were later in the afternoon.

That said, I was almost missing that college lifestyle, when a weekend of partying with some old friends last weekend reminded me that I have somehow lost a significant portion of my alcohol tolerance compared to even 4 years ago.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:23 pm 
 
According to the FB page, Perturbator just signed on to Blood Music as its first non-metal band. Woohoo, Perturbator!
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:32 pm 
 
The self titled is just so good for AIC, although I may be starting to sound like a broken record here. It's just such an immersive, transformative experience. I love the band for their sorrowful nature and down-and-low emotions expressed, the moodier side rather than the heavy side. So the s/t, with its complete broken down-ness, really appeals to me. As a whole album I think it's about perfect. Dirt and Facelift definitely have a lot of their heavy as hell classics though.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:06 pm 
 
Guys
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:21 pm 
 
Sounds like an alcoholic bodybuilder's dream-beverage.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:36 pm 
 
Which is why I need to have it.
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Marag
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:15 pm 
 
If it "tastes like beer", the same way chocolate whey tastes like chocolate, it must be simply awful
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Bleak731
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:22 pm 
 
Poisonfume wrote:
According to the FB page, Perturbator just signed on to Blood Music as its first non-metal band. Woohoo, Perturbator!

I am eagerly awaiting the new album, though I wasn't a huge fan of Sexualizer.
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inhumanist
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:28 pm 
 
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http://www.mtlblog.com/2014/03/canadian ... -out-beer/


Why can't they simply drink nonalcoholic beer? :durr:
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:32 pm 
 
Because it's not as stupid and wouldn't get as much attention.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:37 pm 
 
Another gimmicky drain spell to be cast on the wallet's of ignorant wanna-be healthsters.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:40 pm 
 
Drink water when you work out, dammit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:43 pm 
 
Or virgin blood at the very least.
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Marag
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:41 pm 
 
inhumanist wrote:

Why can't they simply drink nonalcoholic beer? :durr:

Nonalcoholic beer fails to check the "tastes like beer" requisite.
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inhumanist
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:45 pm 
 
But the other crap does? By definition there can't be a nonalcoholic beverage that tastes more like beer than nonalcoholic beer.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:20 pm 
 
Aha! He doesn't sing
"And the ship sails on, back to the north
Through the fucking ice and the albatross follows on"
but instead "through the fog and ice"!
I always misheard it and it bewildered me.
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Scorntyrant
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:22 pm 
 
I saw AIC live a couple of weeks ago. New singer ("son of Lenny Kravitz") is a gun. I tend to think the 2 EP's are their strongest work, along with the unplugged album. Then S/T, then the 2 new ones, then dirt and facelift.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:24 pm 
 
A slightly better NPRticle on that Gatorade Beer shit: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/0 ... -it-sounds

Still sounds like rubbish, if you ask me.
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Marag
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:38 pm 
 
Scorntyrant wrote:
New singer ("son of Lenny Kravitz")

The resemblance is uncanny
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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:49 pm 
 
darkeningday wrote:
A slightly better NPRticle on that Gatorade Beer shit: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/0 ... -it-sounds

Still sounds like rubbish, if you ask me.


Yeah, that's just stupid. If it's below 4% alcohol, it's not beer.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:21 pm 
 
narsilianshard wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
A slightly better NPRticle on that Gatorade Beer shit: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/0 ... -it-sounds

Still sounds like rubbish, if you ask me.


Yeah, that's just stupid. If it's below 4% alcohol, it's not beer.


Bash! Piffle! Tipsy! You can find plenty of nice beers that are under 4%.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:11 pm 
 
Unlike other towns where Honda is the go to for teens, Volkswagen is the go to for Buffalo. Everyone and there brother has a VW and they treat them like they are BMWs.
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Arkhane
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:43 pm 
 
http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dad-doesnt ... ntentstory

This is just fucking sick. The lawyers are trying to say he wasn't thinking clearly, but his interview not only proves that he was, but also that he's completely apathetic about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:46 pm 
 
dystopia4 wrote:
Guys
http://www.mtlblog.com/2014/03/canadian ... -out-beer/


"Lager Ale"

...They can go fuck theyselfs.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:32 pm 
 
66 million in cap space, and they can't even hold on to their TWO good players. Can't sign anybody noteworthy either, since nobody wants to fucking play there. Damn you Raiders, why do I keep rooting for you? WHY?!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:33 pm 
 
Class reading here: http://www.boston.com/news/source/2014/ ... light.html


Number 3 made me laugh very hard....so much craziness. I suppose 2, 5, and 8 are the most hopeful theories, since they would mean the passengers are still alive....I guess. :scratch:
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:16 am 
 
Arkhane wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dad-doesnt-deny-tossing-toddler-creek-145122384.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

This is just fucking sick. The lawyers are trying to say he wasn't thinking clearly, but his interview not only proves that he was, but also that he's completely apathetic about it.

That article can't be right, he could get as little as 5 years with parole? I call bullshit.

Also, those comments :durr: I don't know why I keep reading the Yahoo comment section....
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:31 am 
 
Bleak731 wrote:
Poisonfume wrote:
According to the FB page, Perturbator just signed on to Blood Music as its first non-metal band. Woohoo, Perturbator!
I am eagerly awaiting the new album, though I wasn't a huge fan of Sexualizer.
I need to buy Norturne City and Night Driving Avenger on itunes now.
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CrushedRevelation
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:43 am 
 
Little late on the AIC talk, but I love Facelift & Dirt both to death. There are however a couple of tracks that I could do without hearing ever again (looking at you Rooster in particular...), but overall they're classics for mine. Black Gives Way to Blue impressed me beyond words really for an album that (obviously) has no Layne, but there you go... Excellent record. The new one is still growing on me, but Hollw kicks ass, & there are a number of cool tracks however.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:49 am 
 
Back in 1996, AIC was my favourite band. However, I haven't really gotten into either of the post-reunion albums. I don't know what it is, really. The music is nice and there are plenty of good qualities. Perhaps it's just that I am too far removed from my 90s self. I still like Jerry's voice but duVall doesn't sound different enough from Layne.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:01 pm 
 
Jerry Cantrell's Degradation Trip albums are fuckin' huge - definitely recommended to anyone who hasn't heard them. I'd say it's probably better than new AIC just for how iconoclastic and catchy the songs are. Tremendous stuff, a few filler cuts, but with like 25 songs, who cares?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:26 pm 
 
There exactly 4 AiC songs I like: We Die Young, It's Not Like That, Dam That River and from the reunion....Check My Brain.

They were much better when they were faster.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:07 pm 
 
Scorntyrant wrote:
I saw AIC live a couple of weeks ago. New singer ("son of Lenny Kravitz") is a gun. I tend to think the 2 EP's are their strongest work, along with the unplugged album. Then S/T, then the 2 new ones, then dirt and facelift.

Nice, I'm seeing them this summer at this fest (now the biggest one in Québec). My dad lives nearby, like a 5 minutes walk from the place and he rents his ground for campers. He made like $1500 last year so he paid my ticket this year. Sure there's plenty of crap bands but there's some I want to see and I could just go back at my dad's during the shitty stuff.
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I really like the 2 latest AiC, it's as strong as their best albums in my opinion. Perhaps one of the only bands (alongside Rush) who's releasing very strong material after their peak.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:42 pm 
 
That looks like a Canadian version of Roskilde. Does Venom suck live these days?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:54 pm 
 
Venom are pretty good live these days if you ask me.

Here's the gig I attended:
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Dead Congregation: the teasing is unbearable! It's just a bunch of feedback but it's got me on my knees.
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