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Crescent_Moon
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Location: Altai/Siberia
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 3:55 am 
 

This is the question I want to raise - in our countries, Russia and Kazakhstan, metalheads are often targets for drunk casuals or marginals, in nineties longhaired guys might be beaten sometimes to death for their image (or haircutted). Is it often happen in other countries?

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PaganiusI
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Location: Germany
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:26 am 
 

I'm from Germany and I get caught in "random traffic checks without suspicion" on a regular basis... Several times the policemen made fun of my music and actually told me:"You don't have any drugs?! What kind of metal fan are you?!". The next time they stop me, I'm gonna ask them if they do offer a "get stopped 10 times, win a free hamburger" option or something xD

I however didn't encounter bullying in school or elsewhere besides some suspicious looks here and there.
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Rasha_yad
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 4:47 pm 
 

PaganiusI wrote:
I'm from Germany and I get caught in "random traffic checks without suspicion" on a regular basis... Several times the policemen made fun of my music and actually told me:"You don't have any drugs?! What kind of metal fan are you?!". The next time they stop me, I'm gonna ask them if they do offer a "get stopped 10 times, win a free hamburger" option or something xD

How does that work, exactly? Do you wear spikes and corpsepaint everywhere you go? Do you have a Baphomet figure painted on your car?

Anyway, Germany sounds like a fucking nightmare. Getting stopped because you seem like the kind of person who might do drugs? Is this a common thing in other countries?

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Napero
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Location: Finland
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:28 pm 
 

Rasha_yad wrote:
Anyway, Germany sounds like a fucking nightmare. Getting stopped because you seem like the kind of person who might do drugs? Is this a common thing in other countries?

I don't know about the rest of the world, but I've heard that happens quite a lot in the US...
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OceanOfViolence
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:06 am 
 

Napero wrote:
Rasha_yad wrote:
Anyway, Germany sounds like a fucking nightmare. Getting stopped because you seem like the kind of person who might do drugs? Is this a common thing in other countries?

I don't know about the rest of the world, but I've heard that happens quite a lot in the US...

It's very unlikely that you'd get stopped. Most people in the US don't have the nerve to actually do anything. Worst case scenario they'd just give you dirty looks.
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Resident_Hazard
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:22 am 
 

Napero wrote:
Rasha_yad wrote:
Anyway, Germany sounds like a fucking nightmare. Getting stopped because you seem like the kind of person who might do drugs? Is this a common thing in other countries?

I don't know about the rest of the world, but I've heard that happens quite a lot in the US...


It's more coincidence of who you are, I think. I was never bullied for my music tastes, but more my attitude, personality, how I was generally different, etc., that went along with who I was in general, and I just happened to enjoy The Metal. I was also not severely bullied for it, my bullshit was mostly of the verbal variety.
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 11:33 am 
 

[url]How does that work, exactly? Do you wear spikes and corpsepaint everywhere you go? Do you have a Baphomet figure painted on your car?[/url]

Well, aparantly long hair, beard, bandshirt and an old, rusty car is enough to trigger them. They actually we busy check another car and when I drove past them, they immediately stopped that, jumped in the car and caught me xD

Got a new car though, let's see how that works out.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 1:48 pm 
 

OceanOfViolence wrote:
Napero wrote:
I don't know about the rest of the world, but I've heard that happens quite a lot in the US...

It's very unlikely that you'd get stopped. Most people in the US don't have the nerve to actually do anything. Worst case scenario they'd just give you dirty looks.


Metalheads also tend to be white, which means the odds of being randomly stopped by cops here is much lower. There might be a black guy driving to his office job or something, and cops will be watching him instead.
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Andreas_Hansen
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:06 pm 
 

Rasha_yad wrote:
PaganiusI wrote:
I'm from Germany and I get caught in "random traffic checks without suspicion" on a regular basis... Several times the policemen made fun of my music and actually told me:"You don't have any drugs?! What kind of metal fan are you?!". The next time they stop me, I'm gonna ask them if they do offer a "get stopped 10 times, win a free hamburger" option or something xD

How does that work, exactly? Do you wear spikes and corpsepaint everywhere you go? Do you have a Baphomet figure painted on your car?

Anyway, Germany sounds like a fucking nightmare. Getting stopped because you seem like the kind of person who might do drugs? Is this a common thing in other countries?


I always thought Germany was one of the best places to be when you're into metal as this culture seems to be way more impregnated in the country than anywhere else besides Finland. When I was in Germany visiting Seinen wunderbar Europa Park I saw plenty of metalheads.

Here in France it's... mixed. I would have difficulties actually to tell how things are. It's not a clear mainstream trend since we always have a lot of strange gazes at our hair or shirts. Got banned from a catholic high school because of the coffin on my Metallica's Death Magnetic shirt lol, by the end of the year I came back to see a few friends of mine and I deliberately clad myself in a Cattle Decapitation shirt just to trigger them. The year after in another high school someone tried to burn my long hair (for real, just for the """fun""". I cut them since). But these are usual bullshit plebian reactions that no one should give a damn about. Like "you're music is always about violence" or "you have strange tastes, can't you be like anyone else?".

But in the same time in my current city there are a lot of metalheads (I don't have any friends so I don't know them) and fun places for gigs (Lich King touring there next July, can't wait) so it's just a question of location. But generally speaking people don't despise us... They prettymuch don't care... An I think that's the best choice.
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PaganiusI
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:39 pm 
 

Andreas_Hansen wrote:
I always thought Germany was one of the best places to be when you're into metal as this culture seems to be way more impregnated in the country than anywhere else besides Finland. When I was in Germany visiting Seinen wunderbar Europa Park I saw plenty of metalheads.


Besides those policeguys who seemed to have just finished school and felt like some sort of superheroes in uniform or something, Germany is actually great for metalheads imho. We are even drowning in bands and concerts over here and even the underground concerts have "regular" plebs chillin around or enjoying the party even though they are not that much into metal. As long is you don't wear Marduk's "Fuck Me Jesus" or Cradle's "Jesus is a Cunt" shirts you should be fine ;)
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Turner
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 5:08 pm 
 

Because I don't live in a late 80s hair metal clip I was never bullied for being a metalhead.

The only times I've experienced any kind of negative looks or some shit is when I'm dressed like an absolute piece of white trash. And that's my fault for breaking the social contract and heading into the outside world looking like some derro that breaks into cars to steal change for cigarettes - it has nothing to do with "being a metalhead". Beyond that, 99% of society here really, really, does not give a fuck about metalheads one way or the other. The sooner metalheads en masse dial back the persecution complex the better. Thankfully I'm pretty sure it is dying out anyway I guess...

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OceanOfViolence
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 5:30 pm 
 

Resident_Hazard wrote:
OceanOfViolence wrote:
It's very unlikely that you'd get stopped. Most people in the US don't have the nerve to actually do anything. Worst case scenario they'd just give you dirty looks.


Metalheads also tend to be white, which means the odds of being randomly stopped by cops here is much lower. There might be a black guy driving to his office job or something, and cops will be watching him instead.

Unfortunately THAT is a legit problem here... sucks hard.
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Oxenkiller
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Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:07 pm 
 

It really depends on what part of the US you are in. If you are from Utah, or some of the more rural parts of the "deep south" (Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, or some parts of Texas) you are far more likely to get randomly fucked with by authorities for having long hair and a general "Metal" dress than if you live near a big city or anywhere on the west or east coasts.

As far as being bullied, you have your general assholes everywhere you go, who would probably fuck with you no matter what your musical or clothing tastes are- just because they are assholes. They'd start shit with you if you were a hippie, rap dude, or even if you were a white-trash redneck like them but "not redneck enough." (And for whatever reason, there are also some people who tend to be "Asshole magnets," since they just have a way of bringing out the sadistic impulses of people like that, without even trying.)

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:07 am 
 

Napero wrote:
Rasha_yad wrote:
Anyway, Germany sounds like a fucking nightmare. Getting stopped because you seem like the kind of person who might do drugs? Is this a common thing in other countries?

I don't know about the rest of the world, but I've heard that happens quite a lot in the US...

It does, but to black and Hispanic guys, not metalheads.
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Napero
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:29 am 
 

That was what I meant. No metalheads mentioned in the quote.
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acid_bukkake
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:40 pm 
 

I always kinda figured that accepting victimhood was antithetical to "being metal," but the bullshit OP's describing isn't bullying. It's full on harassment.

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Lionel Fauquier
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:25 pm 
 

I was never bullied for being a metalhead , however I did get into lots of " not so pleasant " situations in my high school days for being a metalhead , along with my cohorts . Namely verbal battles , fistfights , police questioning , etc . .


Also I don't wish to get into a racially charged debate or anything , but the cops in my former neck of the woods ( Sussex County DE ) were much more likely to harass biker looking white guys than anyone else . Things might have changed now , but back then most local cops ( and even some stadies ) really had it in for us . Which we ( to a great extent ) brought upon ourselves as a result of our delinquent habits/fraternizing with one of the most infamous 1%er clubs in the US , but being pale didn't make us less likely to get rousted than the local black guys . In fact it seemed they got rousted a lot less than us .

As for the issue of discrimination against metalheads in general , I don't think it's much of a problem throughout much of the US . That said I'm willing to concede that my experience is limited , since I've never lived outside of the greater Mid Atlantic region , and I most certainly have no clue about the situation in other countries .


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Woutjinho
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Location: Netherlands
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:10 pm 
 

Never had problems, had funny remarks however just like anyone else. Still do but it makes perfectly sense. We all make fun of each being the looks, the hobbies or their taste. Never had any serious problems, though I think most people who do kinda provoked it. I know people who got bullied, it sucks, but I think they were bullied if they listened to a different style of music as well.
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Byrain
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:41 pm 
 

Worst I get here is the general, "Oh you like metal? I like >insert crappy non-metal band< too!".

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