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Commandaunt
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:48 am 
 

I recently discovered something called the deep web over the weekend and honestly I'm really interested in this. For those who dont know (I don't know if this is common knowledge or not) the deep web is the part of the internet that doesn't show up in major search engines such as yahoo and google (About 99% of material on the internet). Apparently it features websites for selling drugs and there's a bunch of websites for hiring assassins and shit like that - all this according to a friend. There's also of course a plethora of child porn for the sick fucks, but w.e. Obviously all this is illegal but using the tor browser you remain pretty much completely anonymous but can still be found of course.

Anyway, me being too cautious with my computer, I was just wondering if any of you have ever been on the deep web, what's the most fucked up thing you've seen on there, what kind of stuff do you normally browse, any interesting stories?

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Thashierthanthou
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:51 am 
 

Dumb question, but I assume you mean that 99% or so of stuff on the internet does show up on major search engines?
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Commandaunt
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:53 am 
 

no no, 99% of stuff DOESN'T show up on major search engines. The domain names usually look something like a string of characters followed by .onion - So something like l2iegfdn37.onion.

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Commandaunt
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:55 am 
 

Well, that's according to a youtube video, so it could be false, seemed like a liable source though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4mDczLZ0g8

EDIT : Oh, and I forgot there's also a lot of terrorist activity, that seems like a given though
Also, don't quote me on this stuff, it's just things I've heard from different people - seems like it could be very much true though. If you wanna try this out watch this video to browse and learn more about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oAciDQNgFM&feature=related

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:02 am 
 

It is actually kind of a fact. I believe that the University of California has done some studies about it. It's and idea that has been there since 2000 or 2001. Haven't actually checked that in a while, but I remember being interested in that.

It's not only about the nasty stuff, or the dangerous stuff but also about private web sites, or non-text pages.
It is quite big according to some people.

EDIT: I just found this article. Kind of cool.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:18 am 
 

The .onion thing is for Tor browsing, which I don't know a whole lot about, only that it's supposedly safer and provides for more anonymity.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:03 am 
 

sortalikeadream wrote:
The .onion thing is for Tor browsing, which I don't know a whole lot about, only that it's supposedly safer and provides for more anonymity.

It's certainly what all the paedophiles use when surfing. I've never heard of the "deep web" before but there certainly is a seedy internet underworld. I spent a couple weeks lurking within online paedophile communities out of morbid curiosity but the sites I was monitoring have either closed down or have been deserted. For this reason I get the feeling that the community shifts around a lot, which can make it difficult to stay in the loop.

I was careful to never view any CP material but some of the things I read were disturbing enough. I wouldn't put too much effort into searching this stuff out unless you have a thick skin for this kind of perverse crap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:07 am 
 

always wondered where you find the truly deprived shit on the internet....but all i can think of when i read 'deep-web' is Reboot

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:16 am 
 

I read an article or two about the "dark web" or "free web" a while back and that was the first I'd heard of it. Sounded fairly interesting, more than a little sketchy, and surprisingly easy to access. Never got around to looking very far into it as I didn't quite see the point in doing so, but it's interesting to know that there's a vast, second landscape to the internet that most people don't even realize exists. There were some interview quotes in the article I read to the effect that the dark web is exponentially larger than the web normal internet users know. Interesting subject.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:44 am 
 

OlioTheSmall wrote:
It's certainly what all the paedophiles use when surfing. I've never heard of the "deep web" before but there certainly is a seedy internet underworld. I spent a couple weeks lurking within online paedophile communities out of morbid curiosity but the sites I was monitoring have either closed down or have been deserted.


A couple of weeks?!? I can understand (er, sort of, kind of.. not really) giving this a very brief look out of curiousity but a couple of weeks.. yeesh. Look, I'm not going to judge you if you say you're a pedo.

The whole 'deep web' thing sounds sort of interesting but I doubt it's quite as big as some people say. Will do a bit of extra reading on it, though!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:50 am 
 

caspian wrote:
The whole 'deep web' thing sounds sort of interesting but I doubt it's quite as big as some people say. Will do a bit of extra reading on it, though!


Maybe you can use it to finagle Icelandic citizenship for yourself :D. Nothing wrong with a few white lies...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:11 am 
 

Eh_Timeghoul wrote:
always wondered where you find the truly deprived shit on the internet....but all i can think of when i read 'deep-web' is Reboot

fuckin awesome show

:lol: I used to watch the shit out of that one. I believe they're planning to make a film trilogy soon.

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FearTheNome
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:48 am 
 

A lot of it (eg the assassins) is just people trolling. You can buy drugs (REALLY expensively compared to the 'normal' way) and get gore/rape porn/child porn pretty easily though, it's true.

Most of the 'deep web' is boring things like corporate websites that aren't accessible to the public for legitimate reasons, its not exactly the huge mysterious underworld some of these articles present it as when they make it sound like the matrix or something.

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Gelal
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:26 am 
 

FearTheNome wrote:
Most of the 'deep web' is boring things like corporate websites that aren't accessible to the public for legitimate reasons


And Conspiracy Theory nutjobs that believe that reptiles from Sirius-VII rule the world from the shadows, and choose to publish their thoughts on the matter there for fear that they'll be dealt with in gruesome ways if they published it elsewhere. I admit I had a good laugh with some of the content in that 'deep web' thing, but the ultimate uselessness of most of it made me stop using it. Although the extra layer of privacy it provides could prove useful to some, specially those living in certain places with a peculiar concept of things like "freedom of speech".

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:43 pm 
 

Ok, so (allegedly) we're a group of non pedoporn-wathing-assasin-hiring fellas, right? we know about this deep web, and yet it still exists? You'd think most of these sites would be shut down or something, unless there are just that many. Which is pretty scary to think of. Maybe instead of a drug warm we should be more focused on getting this kind of shit off the web.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:53 pm 
 

Gelseth_Andrano wrote:
Ok, so (allegedly) we're a group of non pedoporn-wathing-assasin-hiring fellas, right? we know about this deep web, and yet it still exists? You'd think most of these sites would be shut down or something, unless there are just that many. Which is pretty scary to think of. Maybe instead of a drug warm we should be more focused on getting this kind of shit off the web.


Such disgusting content exists on the not-so-deep-web too. Let's close the Internet forever. :P

In all seriousness, I'll assume you didn't mean that the tools ('cause they're just tools, and much needed ones, at least in certain countries) that enable people to do objectionable stuff on the 'deep web' shouldn't exist, but the content itself. In that case, you're missing an important part of how this thing works: you need to get to the source of the content to be able to get rid of it. That is not exactly easy to do in this case. Furthermore, even if you could, you'd face the same problem than with filesharing sites: shut down one, next week you'll have ten new ones.

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Gelal wrote:
Gelseth_Andrano wrote:
Ok, so (allegedly) we're a group of non pedoporn-wathing-assasin-hiring fellas, right? we know about this deep web, and yet it still exists? You'd think most of these sites would be shut down or something, unless there are just that many. Which is pretty scary to think of. Maybe instead of a drug warm we should be more focused on getting this kind of shit off the web.


Such disgusting content exists on the not-so-deep-web too. Let's close the Internet forever. :P

In all seriousness, I'll assume you didn't mean that the tools ('cause they're just tools, and much needed ones, at least in certain countries) that enable people to do objectionable stuff on the 'deep web' shouldn't exist, but the content itself. In that case, you're missing an important part of how this thing works: you need to get to the source of the content to be able to get rid of it. That is not exactly easy to do in this case. Furthermore, even if you could, you'd face the same problem than with filesharing sites: shut down one, next week you'll have ten new ones.


:lol: I'm not anti-internet or anyhting at all, I'm just syaing. i know there's not a whole lot that could be done bout it in the first place, it's more of just a 'what if' statement. I know there isn't really too much tha can be done about it. Just venting. I think this kind of qualifies and derailment, so I'll get back on topic by wondering aloud how people find this stuff in the first place. i'm guessing one person starts a site, and only spreads by word of mouth.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:21 pm 
 

Tor is ostensibly for anyone who wants to be anonymous on the internet but in reality only pedophiles really use it. The developers desperately try to suggest that there's legitimate reasons to use it, but that's maybe 1% of the users and the rest are just trafficking enormous amounts of child pornography. I've never fucked around with the program because I'm suspicious of how anonymous it really is. Well, that and the fact that I'm not really looking for child porn.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:22 pm 
 

Hitman for hire Craigslist kind of website. Some dude was asking for a hit on Presidant Obama for $2 Million! And of course /i plan their DDOS raids through the deep web.

Cheese Pizza anyone?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:04 pm 
 

Gelseth_Andrano wrote:
:lol: I'm not anti-internet or anyhting at all, I'm just syaing. i know there's not a whole lot that could be done bout it in the first place, it's more of just a 'what if' statement. I know there isn't really too much tha can be done about it. Just venting. I think this kind of qualifies and derailment, so I'll get back on topic by wondering aloud how people find this stuff in the first place. i'm guessing one person starts a site, and only spreads by word of mouth.


Sometimes you find stuff without even actively looking for it. Speaking about Tor, which is the one I'm most familiar with (being a former user, although only briefly and not for illegal stuff), it has onion sites (an onion site being a website that only works within the Tor network) that act as compilations of links to other onion sites, sometimes even with descriptions of the content you'll find if you follow the link. So once you get to one such compilation of links (and you will, 'cause they're about the only way to find stuff there unless you know the URL of the onion site you want to visit, which is not easy when they're all stuff like gfh2510ipq297.onion), shit's just a click away.

@SharpAndSlender: the reason why legitimate uses of technologies such as Tor are such a low percentage of total usage (although that 1% figure is... well, "not very plausible", so to speak) is simple: the tools are available for everyone. And in countries where you don't need to use it to safely say what you think (which just happen to be the majority of countries where access to the Internet is readily available), only two types of people use it: those curious about the technology (and they rarely stay), and those who don't want to get caught doing illegal stuff.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:21 pm 
 

99% of the web exists beyond the first results page when you search on Google
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:54 pm 
 

SharpAndSlender wrote:
Tor is ostensibly for anyone who wants to be anonymous on the internet but in reality only pedophiles really use it.


And activists in places where freedom of speech is not allowed. The recent arab protests used it a lot to stay anonymous while organizing, as well as political dissidents in places like China.

Freedom is a double edged sword.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:07 pm 
 

You'd be surprised by what you can find there (besides child pornography).

They have websites to place hits on (assassins and such), the hugest underground drug markets, and lots of murder videos. A well-known one in there shows 2 guys getting decapitated by a river by a group of people.

All this goes unpunished, and for once it's not just America.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:10 pm 
 

It is so awesome that I finally have a one-stop shop for all my assassinations, child porn, drugs, and Middle Eastern liberation.

Thank you deep-web! :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:22 pm 
 

Jonpo wrote:
It is so awesome that I finally have a one-stop shop for all my assassinations, child porn, drugs, and Middle Eastern liberation.

Thank you deep-web! :thumbsup:


You really should browse it for a bit.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:24 pm 
 

I'm still confused on how to even access this. Sounds like a pain in the ass.

The use of the term "dark" in this sense makes me think of dark space. Just this void of the unknown. Creepy.
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OzzyApu wrote:
I'm still confused on how to even access this. Sounds like a pain in the ass.

The use of the term "dark" in this sense makes me think of dark space. Just this void of the unknown. Creepy.

There are different ways to acces this shit.You might wanna check this.
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SharpAndSlender wrote:
Tor is ostensibly for anyone who wants to be anonymous on the internet but in reality only pedophiles really use it. The developers desperately try to suggest that there's legitimate reasons to use it, but that's maybe 1% of the users and the rest are just trafficking enormous amounts of child pornography. I've never fucked around with the program because I'm suspicious of how anonymous it really is. Well, that and the fact that I'm not really looking for child porn.


I use Tor, I know a lot of people who do, and I can assure you I'm not interested in child porn and neither are the people I know.
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The vast majority of the stuff on the web (which search engines wont see) are internal wiki's and websites for companies, governments and universities, and the online journal databases. I just finished writing a huge essay about information literacy and the fact that most people "dont know what they dont know" when it comes to the web. No idea about tor though.
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Young_Metalhead wrote:
There are different ways to acces this shit.You might wanna check this.

Am I the only one who finds it kind of funny that instructions for accessing this stuff are easily available on the normal web? It's like a secret society renting a billboard to post their meeting times and locations.

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caspian wrote:
OlioTheSmall wrote:
It's certainly what all the paedophiles use when surfing. I've never heard of the "deep web" before but there certainly is a seedy internet underworld. I spent a couple weeks lurking within online paedophile communities out of morbid curiosity but the sites I was monitoring have either closed down or have been deserted.


A couple of weeks?!? I can understand (er, sort of, kind of.. not really) giving this a very brief look out of curiousity but a couple of weeks.. yeesh. Look, I'm not going to judge you if you say you're a pedo.

Heh, I never claimed to be a normal dude but I can assure you I'm not a pedo. :P

In fact, children generally annoy me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:06 am 
 

ngwoo wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it kind of funny that instructions for accessing this stuff are easily available on the normal web? It's like a secret society renting a billboard to post their meeting times and locations.


It's not as if the aim of the "deep web" is to make certain things unaccessible to everyone but a certain elite group, so the comparison with the secret society does not apply. What these tools aim to do is making it difficult for third parties to identify its users, and the source of the content being published there (i.e being unable to say that user X is John Smith who lives in 733 Random Street, Sometown, Florida, or that user Y published content Z). In fact, it is because of its intended use that instructions to use and access it should be readily available. The "deep web" can't give freedom of speech (and more importantly, security) to a chinese activist if he doesn't know it exists or how to use it.

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ngwoo
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:07 pm 
 

Yeah, that's a better way of looking at it. I've never paid much attention to the content available there so I just assumed it was child porn and sites where you can buy drugs online. Now I know.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:15 pm 
 

The deep web is predominantly boring private documents and people with whom you probably shouldn't associate with for a reason. The media turns it into a bigger deal than it really is, once again.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:44 pm 
 

Augh, unfortunate that everybody says its not too big a deal. All my hopes and dreams of having some vile, sickening place where the creeps reside are crushed :aww:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:20 pm 
 

Commandaunt wrote:
Augh, unfortunate that everybody says its not too big a deal. All my hopes and dreams of having some vile, sickening place where the creeps reside are crushed :aww:


Try 4chan, specifically the "random" board. It just might be what you're looking for.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:45 pm 
 

Gelal wrote:
Try 4chan, specifically the "random" board. It just might be what you're looking for.


Very strange community, that one.
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Eh, its not very odd at all anymore.
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Yeah, I would go to 4chan but all it is anymore is a bunch of emo 15 year old faggots...No thanks

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I heard there was child pornography being trafficked around on the site?
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