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Ill-Starred Son
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:20 pm 
 

Not sure if this thread belongs here or in the metal section but it's kind a companion thread to my Roky Erickson one.

I don't know Ghost well and just started checking them out and while I like them, their sound is very clearly derivative of so many other 70s bands in particular, especially Roky Erickson and the Aliens who I believe they got their name from with the song "If You Have Ghosts", but in your opinions, what bands do you think most clearly influenced them or do they sound like aside from Roky Erikson, Black Sabbath and Mercyful Fate/King Diamond?

I can't place my finger on exactly who else they sound like, other than that I simply know that they are a retro-take-off band (could we even say "rip off"?) of a whole lot of different bands, most of them from the 70s.

Particularly on the song "Square Hammer" I am trying to figure out where else I have heard that riff?

Where do you guys really think they got their sound from and do you guys think they are really as great as many other people seem to think they are?

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Liquid_Braino
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:04 pm 
 

Check out Blue Oyster Cult's first three albums, particularly Tyranny and Mutation.

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Ill-Starred Son
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:14 pm 
 

Yeah I'll do that.

I actually like B.O.C. but have never listened really carefully to those albums.

I'm thinking Urijah Heap may also have influenced them, along with probably quite a few other 70s rock bands.

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Ill-Starred Son
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:41 am 
 

Liquid_Braino wrote:
Check out Blue Oyster Cult's first three albums, particularly Tyranny and Mutation.


Hmm, well I just skimmed through most of the songs on that album but didn't hear much that sounded like the Ghost tracks I've been listening to, in particular Square Hammer.

What B.O.C. song sounds like Square Hammer?

Because something about that song sounds very familiar like other bands have made similar sounding songs before, especially with riffs that sound like that one main catchy riff off that track.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:39 am 
 

I have just listened to Square Hammer. My first impression is that it reminded me of some rock bands of the 90s. I don't know which one.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:31 am 
 

I have been saying there is a lot of ABBA in Ghost, done in a rock/semi-metal kind of way, since I heard the debut album. Then just a couple of months ago I heard an interview with the original Ghost guitarist Martin Persner and he described just that. That they wanted the songs to sound like a rock version of ABBA.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:46 pm 
 

My first thoughts on hearing Ghost were, "These guys were influenced by Blue Oyster Cult." Maybe that wasn't their deliberate intention, heck they might not have even ever actually LISTENED to B.O.C- but the music does remind me of B.O.C quite a bit.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:22 pm 
 

InnesI wrote:
I have been saying there is a lot of ABBA in Ghost, done in a rock/semi-metal kind of way, since I heard the debut album. Then just a couple of months ago I heard an interview with the original Ghost guitarist Martin Persner and he described just that. That they wanted the songs to sound like a rock version of ABBA.


Source:

http://musikproducent.se/podd/2017/046- ... pha-ghost/

In Swedish though...

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Ill-Starred Son
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:05 am 
 

Isn't ABBA disco?

I don't know that I've ever actually listened to them before though I assume I've heard them.

I guess I'll have to listen to some of their stuff to see.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:25 am 
 

There's no way in hell that they aren't huge KISS and Alice Cooper fans. I hear that influence a lot on their second album in particular.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:26 am 
 

Tobias Forge has confirmed that Voivod's "Angel Rat" album was a huge influence on him and is a big part of the Ghost sound.

He also mentions Death SS, but has been adamant that he hates their music and was only inspired by their image. Never understood why he even brings them up if he doesn't even like them, but whatever :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:10 pm 
 

Ill-Starred Son wrote:
Isn't ABBA disco?

I don't know that I've ever actually listened to them before though I assume I've heard them.

I guess I'll have to listen to some of their stuff to see.


Yes, they were a pop/disco band. But it is quite clear that there is a strong influence there on how Ghost choose to write music. Doesn't make Ghost of course but that very strong pop nerve fund in Ghost can for sure be traced back to stuff like ABBA (and them in particular).

A nice band to get into btw. Some nice sad melody work with lots of folkish tonality going on. But sure they had their brainless radio hit style stuff also.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:05 pm 
 

I recently found out about a band on youtube called The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. The first thing I thought of was Ghost, primarily because of the imagery and costumes, but the music could have very well influenced them as well.

Youtube: show
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:00 pm 
 

BrutalizerUtilizerOfTheShadows wrote:
I recently found out about a band on youtube called The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. The first thing I thought of was Ghost, primarily because of the imagery and costumes, but the music could have very well influenced them as well.

Youtube: show


Holy shit dude you just blew my fucking mind!!

That's some proto-metal/dark satanic psych if I've ever heard some before from super early on at 1968 and they've got paint and a vocal sound both of which could have seriously influenced King Diamond!!!

I can't believe more people don't know about this band!!

I mean there's no way that didn't influence BOTH King Diamond and Ghost.

I'm always looking for the earliest influences to metal and how they escaped my ears thus far surprises me.

Best in a while and I'm gonna check out their other stuff and see if they have any other influences.

I mean that really kind of is early Doom/proto-metal/downer rock in my book.

Good find.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:17 pm 
 

There's a perfectly good thread in the recommendations forum for this type of post. There's even a Doom Metal sticky.

And uh, Ghost is for poseurs.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:23 am 
 

Ill-Starred Son wrote:
Holy shit dude you just blew my fucking mind!!

That's some proto-metal/dark satanic psych if I've ever heard some before from super early on at 1968 and they've got paint and a vocal sound both of which could have seriously influenced King Diamond!!!

I can't believe more people don't know about this band!!

I mean there's no way that didn't influence BOTH King Diamond and Ghost.

I'm always looking for the earliest influences to metal and how they escaped my ears thus far surprises me.

Best in a while and I'm gonna check out their other stuff and see if they have any other influences.

I mean that really kind of is early Doom/proto-metal/downer rock in my book.

Good find.


I thought the same thing about him influencing King Diamond, and after doing some further research, I realized that even Kiss and Alice Cooper cite him as an influence. But yeah this blew my mind as well when I first saw/heard it, mainly because I didn't know shit like that existed in the 60s. I can only imagine peoples' reaction to that if they saw it on TV at that time!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:44 pm 
 

Ill-Starred Son wrote:
I can't believe more people don't know about this band!

Why do you assume people don't know of Arthur Brown? I know I do. That's where Alice Cooper started.

BrutalizerUtilizerOfTheShadows wrote:
... in the 60s. I can only imagine peoples' reaction to that if they saw it on TV at that time!

I'd say people were more conditioned to things like this back then, with the rise of performance art, surrealism, pop art and all kinds of experimentations. Not to mention psychedelia. Arthur Brown was a product of his time.

John Cage performed Water Walk on American television 1960. Can you think of anything corresponding to this being part of some popular tv-show today?

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