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Chaosmonger
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:14 am 
 

I'm your typical depressed atheist music fan but have been wondering lately if I should try meditation or something that focuses on something other than the ego. I've always liked the part of religion about being able to surrender your burdens to something else but can't get behind all the other bullshit attached to it.

Just feeling the void of the typical 8-5 every weekday existence and was wondering if anyone else has any experience or recommendations in this realm. It's nothing I've ever tried before and I'm wary of new-agey stuff and just wanted to hear some thoughts from people who I assume are not that different from me. I don't even know where I should start or if I should even start or what.

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into_the_pit
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:30 am 
 

I know a few people for whom mindfulness has worked quite well in their everyday life. some have found it important and advantageous that it's quite removed from stereotypical "new-agey stuff". just google it, there's lots about this on the internet.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:46 am 
 

Good book, easy to find free online, is Gunaratana's "Mindfulness in Plain English". There are a lot of ways to approach this sort of thing, a lot of different groups and traditions saying the same or slightly different things. Just dive in and get practicing, don't get sucked into reading too much about it. It definitely works.
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TheJizzHammer
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:55 am 
 

The counseling that I attend every week incorporates a 20-minute guided meditation session that actually seems to be quite helpful despite the simplistic approach we take to it. You can just straight up search '20 minute guided meditation' on YouBoob and it'll pull up a slew of videos you can try out.

As far as I'm concerned right now - this approach is merely a good start rather than a long term approach, but you need just that for the time being - a start. Sift through all the stuff you like and don't like and go from there. I plan on pursuing this further even after I've finished my counseling, and expanding beyond the guided-video realm. But for now, as a newbie - they really seem to help. A lot of it has to do with acceptance of things as they are and being at peace with 'the now', which may sound cheesy or cliche, but you're a metalhead so you should be used to that shit. It's still pretty important to do that day-to-day, anyway.

Let me know if you do this and if it works out for you as a start. As I said, I'm a newbie myself, but so far I'm optimistic about being able to expand my horizons.
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Chaosmonger
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:14 pm 
 

thanks for the suggestions!

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FirebathDan
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:51 pm 
 

When I last lived in New Jersey (circa 2014), I was heavily into Hatha yoga, which-at least at the studio i practiced at-was 40 minutes of relaxing light yoga practice and 20 minutes of guided meditation. I feel like this was the best version of me Ive ever experienced; my weight was under control, my body felt great, and I was more easily able to manage stress and keep my mind right. This was the best I’ve ever felt, and with no chemical enhancement to boot.

I’ve since moved to North Carolina and that’s all gone to hell. None of the yoga studios in my area teach this method. It’s all exercise based, no mental aspects whatsoever.

Maybe it’s a mental block on my end, but I haven’t been able to get near what I considered my peak in 2014.

Long winded, but I’d highly recommend that yoga style with the guided meditation. It was a life changer for me.
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DecemberSoul
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:22 pm 
 

FirebathDan wrote:
When I last lived in New Jersey (circa 2014), I was heavily into Hatha yoga, which-at least at the studio i practiced at-was 40 minutes of relaxing light yoga practice and 20 minutes of guided meditation. I feel like this was the best version of me Ive ever experienced; my weight was under control, my body felt great, and I was more easily able to manage stress and keep my mind right. This was the best I’ve ever felt, and with no chemical enhancement to boot.

I’ve since moved to North Carolina and that’s all gone to hell. None of the yoga studios in my area teach this method. It’s all exercise based, no mental aspects whatsoever.

Maybe it’s a mental block on my end, but I haven’t been able to get near what I considered my peak in 2014.

Long winded, but I’d highly recommend that yoga style with the guided meditation. It was a life changer for me.


But...why the dependency on others' guidance if you are already familiar with its methods and practices? Not trolling you, it's a serious question.
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FirebathDan
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:52 am 
 

DecemberSoul wrote:
But...why the dependency on others' guidance if you are already familiar with its methods and practices? Not trolling you, it's a serious question.


In terms of the yoga, I do what I can at home with the info I’ve retained but the environment in my house is far more chaotic (pets/wife/general lack of quiet and privacy) than the controlled environment of the old yoga studio. Plus, I’m sure it’s a degree of lack of knowledge/confidence. I’ve already admitted there’s a mental block there.

In terms of the guided meditation, I’ve tried but can’t “guide” myself in the sense that if I start focusing on the guidance dialogue, I don’t concentrate enough to get deep into it. When an instructor was guiding me, I could let go way easier and just allow myself to follow along. It’s hard to explain. Yes, I am aware of YouTube videos and the like, I again don’t feel like my home environment is conducive to it. Again, mental block.

At this point, I’m not expecting any instruction methodology to be exact to what I was familiar with, but I’d be happy with something that’s at least in the ballpark.
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Wyrmbane
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:02 pm 
 

To each their own form of meditation, you need to experiment and find what works for you.
You don't need to become an ascetic to profit (somewhat) from their practices - I think you could try a generic Indian type of meditation where solitude, silence, darkness, coolness and nakedness are recommended. Also I would advise, contrary to what you said, to concentrate on your ego at first. This is because, when you try to extinguish outside stimuli, the ego is what remains.
This is nothing new under the sun - people have tried to meditate first on the self and then on the void, but those who have tried the latter will know how impossibly difficult that is when you are faced with your own never-ending stream of consciousness.
Use either the pan-Indian lotus position with a basic finger gesture (chin mudra) or a standing posture (kayotsarga) together with steady deep breathing.
Or if you don't do stationary, vigorous exercise always works wonders.
I have also heard of 2 types of black metal meditation (!), listening to droning hypnotizing black metal on earphones at night : in winter alone in a forest or while going to sleep to try to conjure up some type of dream magic.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:39 pm 
 

I've found that worshiping Satan has improved my life and staved off nihilism by allowing me to focus on hIS eternal quest to conquer the universe for darkness and evil. It's ok for an atheist like myself, too, because Satan technically isn't a "god" so it's ok to believe hE exists.
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Chaosmonger
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:04 pm 
 

I worship Satan when listening to metal, especially Dodheimsgard's 'Monumental Possession'

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Napero
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:51 am 
 

Chaosmonger wrote:
I'm your typical depressed atheist music fan but have been wondering lately if I should try meditation or something that focuses on something other than the ego. I've always liked the part of religion about being able to surrender your burdens to something else but can't get behind all the other bullshit attached to it.

This is an interesting point, by the way. A year or two ago, I listened to two highly intelligent people with heavily religious family backgrounds discussing their relationships with religion, Christianity in particular, over a bunch of red wine bottles. They had both ended up with similar ideas: while they could not accept the supernatural aspects and other bullcrap their childhood faith carried with it, they both agreed that the main positive and fundamental aspect of Christian teachings is the idea that you do not need to be perfect in any sense to be good enough. Everybody is flawed, and that can offer a stressed and doubtful mind some welcoming solace. Now, I do not need religion or spirituality to accept the flaws in my life, character, and whatever you mean by "soul", but I do see the point in finding that a positive thing even after losing your faith: if we were created flawed, nobody can expect us to be perfect.

Personally I find my own atheism a positive thing in my life, and I cannot understand combining it with being depressed. It's a particularly simple and guiltless worldview, and in my experience, gives me more reason to live my life as well as I can than any Sky Daddy watching me or eternal damnation awaiting. For me, there is no need for spirituality, yet I do recognize the value of silence and solitude within my own head occasionally, which I guess is at least one of the main points of meditation. However, I find that in suitable physical labour, especially chopping firewood. It takes a bit of effort and concentration, in order to not kill myself, but at the same time, with my experience with the axe and the repetitive nature of the work, the subconscious and a part of my conscious mind can work on different things. If there's something that bothers me in my personal life, or there's something exceptionally complicated at work, two hours of ax-wielding rituals with three cans of beer can solve a lot of issues. The same goes for three hours of mushroom hunting, or generally just being alone in the woods, or even shoveling snow.

Everybody has, or at least ought to have, his own way of finding that meditative state. It's good for you.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:57 am 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
I've found that worshiping Satan has improved my life and staved off nihilism by allowing me to focus on hIS eternal quest to conquer the universe for darkness and evil. It's ok for an atheist like myself, too, because Satan technically isn't a "god" so it's ok to believe hE exists.

Thank you, John_Sunlight. Your impeccable sense of comedy in a thread where people actually try to discuss things is once again appreciated. You sure know how to spread your special brand of bringing more valuable fodder for the mind to the table from the FFA to the other parts of the board. We obviously need it, we just do not understand it yet. Keep up the good work. You sure are a special and amusing guy. I'd even call you the most usefullest mammal on this website. Your mom must be proud.
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Thiestru
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:54 pm 
 

The thing is, we weren't created flawed. That's the whole point.

I find the whole 'I'm spiritual but not religious' thinking monumentally stupid, and quite meaningless.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:11 pm 
 

Thiestru wrote:
The thing is, we weren't created flawed. That's the whole point.

Wrong. Mankind was not flawed in the beginning, but every individual born since the Wormlike Thingy & Apple Incident is stained with the original sin and therefore flawed. That's why you may be merciful to yourself, you never had a chance, and you could find that comforting. I must admit, though, that all this is already so far removed from Christianity that the God of the Gaps starts to seem like a mighty fellow.

Thiestru wrote:
I find the whole 'I'm spiritual but not religious' thinking monumentally stupid, and quite meaningless.

You got this one right.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:44 pm 
 

Yeah, you're right about 'we' as in 'we who are in the world today'; I meant 'we' as in 'the human race'. Humans weren't originally created flawed. I have returned to Christianity after about 15 years of skepticism and doubt, but I'm not yet ready to debate matters of faith with much rigor.
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