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Sedition and Pockets
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:38 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
Meanwhile, the fearmongering and hate propaganda network is ramping up its bullshit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/20 ... s-opinion/

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Fox’s 7 p.m. hour has traditionally been reserved for news coverage. But in a shake-up that has raised concerns within its news division, the network last week announced it would bump veteran anchor Martha MacCallum from that slot — part of a larger shift toward the conservative-leaning punditry programming that made Fox the most-watched cable channel in 2020.

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By trading an hour of news for opinion, the network quietly shifted the balance of programming, from one that gave a slight majority of its time to news — 11 hours compared with nine for opinion — to an even split. (Fox considers its afternoon panel show “Outnumbered” part of its news division, even though it often focuses on culture-war topics, like Monday’s segment on “cancel culture,” because lead panelist Harris Faulkner is a news anchor.)

So, even more Carlson/Hannity/etc.-style brain poison. Ew.

Edit: they also laid off the guy who called Arizona early, lmao


The complicity of the for-profit media in what has come to pass cannot be overlooked. Fox is merely the most obvious example, but all of these outlets have been willing to cash the checks while the world burned down around them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:40 pm 
 

The problem is those people brainwashed to death who'd actually need UBI, but would take a gun to their local government office if UBI were applied because.. well .. conspiracy, communism, freedom, our troops and all that crap.

I can't get past thinking it's impossible to run a country with 50% brainwashed idiots, especially when those idiots are the most gun-loving people. Canada has gotten singificantly worse in that regard since the pandemic started and the average idiot who never watched news before got sucked in via social media.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:18 pm 
 

In news that should be of zero surprise to anybody, the Trump administration has no plan for vaccine rollout. Biden and his team discovered such to be the case upon taking control.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/repo ... stribution
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:22 pm 
 

I really don't expect much from these next four years. Maybe I'll be surprised, maybe we'll see some solid positive change, but really I think we'll just see a bunch of easily undone, small changes through executive orders.

It's still quite a relief to have a relatively normal politician in office, though. Compared to Trump, Biden looks like an absolutely wonderful person.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:33 pm 
 

So amidst everything that's been going on in January, I missed the fact that Dianne Feinstein filed for reelection in 2024 last week.

Really hoping Senate leadership leans on her to change course and retire with grace. I'd rather she ended her career on her own terms rather than capping off a life in politics with an electoral defeat, but one way or another, it's time for her to leave the Senate. The last thing California needs is its own Strom Thurmond, and at any rate Feinstein has shown she just hasn't adapted to the no-holds-barred pugilism of today's Senate politics. She's operating by the rules of a Senate and a party relationship that haven't existed in decades.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm 
 

GTog wrote:
Sedition and Pockets wrote:

1. Suppress the fascists using existing law. No new "domestic terrorism" bullshit to expand the repressive powers of the state. Use the tools already at hand to snuff these fuckers out as a movement.

2. National lockdown until covid brought under control, seize direct control of supply chains if necessary to ensure PPE and medical equipment is produced and made available in adequate quantities

3. UBI at least for the duration of the pandemic

4. Cancellation of rents and mortgages for the duration of pandemic (not deferrals, not temporary moratoriums on eviction, cancel the debts

5. Emergency order seizing empty housing stock and housing all houseless people for the duration of the pandemic at the bare minimum

6. Pass the Equality Act, deep six the filibuster to do it

7. Repudiate the new cold war with China

8. End the inhuman blockade on Cuba. Lift all existing sanctions.


1. Yes. Do not go revenge crazy, employing the same extremist tactics Trump did. It is not ok if the left acts the same way as the right.

2. If you want to guarantee a shitstorm, sure. There's no way to mandate a national lockdown, because the Executive branch doesn't have the power to do that. President Biden knows that. Using Executive power to force your will is something Trump would've done.

3. Never. Not in a million years, never. After all the "He's a Socialist!" faux outrage, you want to do something actually Socialist?

4. Can't pay for it, can't enforce it, and can't do it. See #2.

5. Sigh. See #2 again.

6. Not a bad idea, but they can't axe the filibuster. The Senate majority is too tenuous and that's picking a fight that can't be won. And when Reid did it, it turned right around and bit the Democrats square in the ass.

7. LOL, actually the only thing I think Trump did right. It was always going to take a raging unrepentant asshole to deal with the raging unrepentant assholes that make up the CCP. They're liars and thieves, and deserve to suffer.

8. I really don't know what the deal is with Cuba anymore. Obama lifted some restrictions and the world didn't end, Trump put them back and the world didn't end either.

Mainly, the Democrats can not, absolutely can NOT, so all apeshit "Now we can be LIBERAL! Woo!" because no we can't. Biden needs to be temperamentally the same as No Drama Obama. Work the issues. Calm, measured responses. Back it up with science and reality.

The rest of us need only to drop the "We won! Let's get 'em!" attitude. Realize that all the GOP's ills are self-inflicted and let them bleed to death.


1 - The charges must be the right ones: To the current list of charges, they must add: Sedition/Insurrection/Treason, (several degrees of) Homicide (due the police Officer), etc.

2 - A real lockdown is required in order to SAVE LIVES. I hate all the antivaxxers and flatearthers that go around with "MUH FREEDUM" when they are actually putting people in danger by not abiding to the required measures regarding Covid: social distancing, cuffs, etc.

3 - Is it important if it's "socialist" or not? The goverment MUST aid the citizens and especially small businesses if they wanna have some degree of economic recovery in the near future.

4 - Why not? US is a rich as fuck country. The LEAST banks and rich mofos can do is to actually be patriotic and support people. If they won't freeze mortgage/rent cash-ins, Biden should tax the fuck out the banks and large real state agencies/whatever they are called there and freeze the amounts of payments to avoid the passing of such taxes into customers. Or USA can stop giving trilions of dollars to Israel and spent that money on the American people once and for all.

5/6 - Totally doable, but "MUH ECONOMY" people.

7/8 - It's all bullshit and should stop. especially the "MUH COMMIES" crap.

US, a country that paints itself brave and powerful, yet is totally afraid of broken ass countries like Cuba.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:27 pm 
 

Lol GTog be like, "Let's recreate the exact conditions that lead to Trump and also poke the China bear, it's the only way we can stop a Trump or AN ACTUALLY COMPETENT fascist from taking the White House." This Is Your Brain On Democrat.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:33 pm 
 

A competent fascist is practically a walking contradiction. The only way they could pull that off at this point is a full blown armed violent insurrection. 1/6/21, but successful and they came fully armed and guns blazing. What led us to Trump really dates back to the Newt Gingrich era of the GOP, it was just festering for nearly 20 years. Trump’s schtick was phony populism by a shitty billionaire who acted like he cared about the regular working man but in reality was just a giant grifter.

I do agree we need to stop this semi Cold War with China. They’re becoming a major world player and us fighting them is going to get us nowhere but a legit hot war; a war we might win but at a major cost. China don’t give a shit. They’d love to clear out some some of the 1.2 billion in population.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:46 pm 
 

I guess I'm just hoping that Biden doesn't follow through his austerity fetish that he's got, and is smart enough to do a New Deal kinda social democrat lite thing for his first term. Low expectations that probably won't get met.

Would be very pleased if the tribalism that defines american politics these days leads to the democrats just pushing through a heap of stuff, instead of that reach across the table or whatever the saying is bullshit.

It would be very very nice if Biden can keep his hands off couping another country in his time in power, but that's really, really wishful thinking.

Also: Medicare for all!

I say it a lot, I'll say it again, obviously Australia has its' problems but man I'm glad I live on the other side of the world.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:51 pm 
 

Also fellas, UBI would be a nightmare. It just wouldn't work under neoliberalism.

you could guarantee it would be:
- used as an excuse to gut public infrastructure. Welfare, public schools, public health, etc
- would be rolled out as haphazardly as possible and in such a way that it would screw poor brown people TO THE MAX
- likewise, would get abused by the rich
- would be used as a carrot and a stick, ie "If you get done for protesting/sedition/whatever we think is bad at the time, you lose the UBI" etc etc.

It's a nice idea under socialism, or even under a benevolent social democracy. It would not work at all at the moment.

edit: i forgot, you could guarantee your landlord would instantly take a huuuuge chunk of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:08 pm 
 

And that's why us socialists want reform as badly as we do. We fully know and understand that in the current system, UBI would not work. It's a totally different behemoth from universal healthcare. Just passing a law instituting UBI with nothing else attached will do nothing but pad the pockets of landlords and utility companies, who would almost certainly be allowed to skyrocket their rates the moment the law goes into effect. Therefore, any UBI law needs to also have sweeping protections in the language to prevent those people and groups from jacking up their prices just because, and capping any rate increases to whatever amount is deemed suitable. I also don't think a UBI law would be written to have that kind of language even in a more socialistic setting, so there'd need to be an entirely different set of laws written and passed dedicated solely to addressing the issues of rent control and utility control. It is possible, but it's an uphill climb, and the government being run by neoliberal capitalists who actively don't want such things won't make things any easier.

Basically, all this reform would need to be structured in, as you said, a very New Deal kind of way, with multiple bills addressing different problems that need to be fixed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:18 pm 
 

The problem with reform is when Trump II inevitably comes to power- which is probably somewhat inevitable, just a question of when- those reforms will be scratched post haste. Highly sceptical of people who call themselves Socialists who believe in reform. Do you honestly think the rich will let you vote away their ill gotten wealth, and just accept it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:42 pm 
 

caspian wrote:
The problem with reform is when Trump II inevitably comes to power- which is probably somewhat inevitable, just a question of when- those reforms will be scratched post haste. Highly sceptical of people who call themselves Socialists who believe in reform. Do you honestly think the rich will let you vote away their ill gotten wealth, and just accept it?


Not in a pacific and smooth way. It'll probably take some serious protests/riots to put real pressure on politicians and make more people involved in politics.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:43 am 
 

insanewayne253 wrote:
A competent fascist is practically a walking contradiction.

Erdogan and Orban would like a word.

Granted, Bolsenaro is dumber than a bag of rocks and there is no Republican in office with the chops for that, but Trey Gowdy and Mike Pompeo are still out there. Thankfully a lot of MAGAz are proudly pushing a DeSantis/Noem ticket, which would really be a godsend in these scary times.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:56 am 
 

People that talk about the fascist that comes in after Trump have pretty consistently mentioned Tom Cotton as that fascist. The one thing they always forget though is that Trump, while a total asshole and wannabe dictator, was charismatic and able to engage an audience of listeners, even if just through his own derangement. Cotton has the personality of a piece of sandpaper, and there’s no way he’d have anywhere close to the ability to draw people in the way Trump did.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:58 am 
 

Happy for my American friends! Congrats to you all on getting rid of that pathetic excuse of a human being. I hope the racial divide he caused will be gradually fixed. The Biden team needs to make/propose new legislations that promote equity for marginalized communities.

That being said, and as an Arab, I'm afraid the CIA will run rampant and spread more chaos in the Arab countries again. One thing that fraudster Trump did right is putting a temporary wrench in the CIA plans. I don't want to live under an Islamic brotherhood government like Tunisia or Turkey. I love my liberalism and would love it to stay. But democrats are notoriously known to let the secret services run rampant.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:03 pm 
 

OlroxPhase2 wrote:
Happy for my American friends! Congrats to you all on getting rid of that pathetic excuse of a human being. I hope the racial divide he caused will be gradually fixed.


Neither Trump or the GOP created any racial divide. They merely highlighted and used what's been there since forever.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:57 pm 
 

The one thing that Biden and the Democrats desparately need to do is connect with rural, or less urbanized areas. And they need to do so in a way that appeals to the better half of humanity; that is to say, by NOT promoting obviously divisive or controversial legislation (targeting minorities, gays, etc) But really research their economic issues; and find a way to promote economic policies that benefit agriculture, ranching, forestry, etc. If that means higher tarrifs against imported food or goods, then fine- or better trade agreements, then great- just find a way to reach out to the rural voters and connect with them on the POSITIVE issues they care about. Trump and the Republicans only knew how to tap into the negatives: Xenophobia, totalitarian ISIS-esque religious-based laws, and fear of "Socialism" while correspondingly labeling every policy that wasn't some extreme, social darwinist, libertarian, anti-environment or anti-racism as "Socialist." The Democrats need to figure out how to counteract the "Socialist" label, and broaden their appeal to the, shall we say, less than educated rural voter in a more constructive way than the Republicans did.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:28 pm 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
The one thing that Biden and the Democrats desparately need to do is connect with rural, or less urbanized areas. And they need to do so in a way that appeals to the better half of humanity; that is to say, by NOT promoting obviously divisive or controversial legislation (targeting minorities, gays, etc) But really research their economic issues; and find a way to promote economic policies that benefit agriculture, ranching, forestry, etc. If that means higher tarrifs against imported food or goods, then fine- or better trade agreements, then great- just find a way to reach out to the rural voters and connect with them on the POSITIVE issues they care about. Trump and the Republicans only knew how to tap into the negatives: Xenophobia, totalitarian ISIS-esque religious-based laws, and fear of "Socialism" while correspondingly labeling every policy that wasn't some extreme, social darwinist, libertarian, anti-environment or anti-racism as "Socialist." The Democrats need to figure out how to counteract the "Socialist" label, and broaden their appeal to the, shall we say, less than educated rural voter in a more constructive way than the Republicans did.

Now that would be interesting, as this would destroy the stereotypes that Democrats only appeal to urban areas and Republicans only appeal to rural areas.
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People have been pointing out that Dems have failed in that regard for years, but it's usually waved away with a simple "nah, they're just racist/homophobic/etc." dismissal instead of actually thinking about strategy beyond the forward-thinking (or at least those perceived to be) city dwellers and suburbanites.
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OlroxPhase2 wrote:
One thing that fraudster Trump did right is putting a temporary wrench in the CIA plans.
The CIA doesn't govern.. what are you referring to ?

Drone strikes in Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria and of course Irak continued during Trump's mandate..
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It's a catch 22, because the only way dems could ever hope to crack rural voters is if they lean in to actual semi-socialist policies. Greatly increase subsidies for farmers and pay for it by raising taxes on the rich. Done.

But keep in mind that you'll never crack a majority of the rural vote thanks to dumbass culture war garbage that both sides have heels deeply dug-in. No matter if you give Farmer Jacob in northwest Iowa a life-saving operation for free through direct Democratic policy, he'll always vote for the other side because Democrats kill babies and teach kids to not have genders. But even peeling off just 10% more will ensure Trump 2.0 never appears.

Sadly, I see about a 0% chance of this administration actually trying to retain power.
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Subrick wrote:
In news that should be of zero surprise to anybody, the Trump administration has no plan for vaccine rollout. Biden and his team discovered such to be the case upon taking control.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/repo ... stribution


I also don’t like Trump, but, “a source told CNN” isn’t exactly a “smoking gun” in my eyes.
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Friends and family of QAnon believers speak about how they handled the Capitol riots

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This is blatant insanity. This is beyond anything you can measure or describe as normal.
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kalervon wrote:
OlroxPhase2 wrote:
One thing that fraudster Trump did right is putting a temporary wrench in the CIA plans.
The CIA doesn't govern.. what are you referring to ?

Drone strikes in Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria and of course Irak continued during Trump's mandate..

He's referring to the common belief that half of the discord in the developing world is intentionally sewn by the CIA in order to maintain American interests in the area. There are varying degrees of truth to this, but there is a lot of historical precedent to support the idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:39 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
The one thing that Biden and the Democrats desparately need to do is connect with rural, or less urbanized areas. And they need to do so in a way that appeals to the better half of humanity; that is to say, by NOT promoting obviously divisive or controversial legislation (targeting minorities, gays, etc) But really research their economic issues; and find a way to promote economic policies that benefit agriculture, ranching, forestry, etc. If that means higher tarrifs against imported food or goods, then fine- or better trade agreements, then great- just find a way to reach out to the rural voters and connect with them on the POSITIVE issues they care about. Trump and the Republicans only knew how to tap into the negatives: Xenophobia, totalitarian ISIS-esque religious-based laws, and fear of "Socialism" while correspondingly labeling every policy that wasn't some extreme, social darwinist, libertarian, anti-environment or anti-racism as "Socialist." The Democrats need to figure out how to counteract the "Socialist" label, and broaden their appeal to the, shall we say, less than educated rural voter in a more constructive way than the Republicans did.


It will need a generational shift and a total overhauling of your entire culture, because both parties have done and said the same, historically speaking. Dems will have to turn more to the left and make it look positive. No easy task in an antileft country, where "MUH COMMIES" have been used as a false threat for so long that the average American is simply unable to see any good thing in leftist ideas.

But you gotta start at some point and Biden should be the one, if they wanna have political credibility later. US can't just return to the same Bush/Clinton bullshit. If you don't make serious changes, the country will break in half.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:09 pm 
 

acid_bukkake wrote:
He's referring to the common belief that half of the discord in the developing world is intentionally sewn by the CIA in order to maintain American interests in the area. There are varying degrees of truth to this, but there is a lot of historical precedent to support the idea.
Whether you believe in a "deep state" actually overriding the government's decisions and governance of the CIA doesn't matter. The assassination of Qasem Soleimani, the ongoing drone strikes in Afghanistan and Syria, the deals with Saudi Arabia (including the infamous 'I don't see any reason why it would be'), etc.. do not indicate any change in regime.
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I found this video from Vice about one of the only Trump supporters who came to Biden's Inauguration. Don't worry, he isn't one of those QAnon supporters who went off the deep end. His interview was actually pretty interesting. This question in particular did hit me though.

"Do you think you got what you wanted out of the last 4 years?"

"No. Not at all."


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:19 am 
 

Slater922 wrote:
I found this video from Vice about one of the only Trump supporters who came to Biden's Inauguration. Don't worry, he isn't one of those QAnon supporters who went off the deep end. His interview was actually pretty interesting. This question in particular did hit me though.

"Do you think you got what you wanted out of the last 4 years?"

"No. Not at all."




At least the guy has a very level head for the most part. He seems like he knows what he wants and he'll stick to that but he also understands that the world isn't going to drop like a concrete ball because "power" has changed hands once again. Big props to this guy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:24 pm 
 

IxI_KILLING wrote:
Slater922 wrote:
I found this video from Vice about one of the only Trump supporters who came to Biden's Inauguration. Don't worry, he isn't one of those QAnon supporters who went off the deep end. His interview was actually pretty interesting. This question in particular did hit me though.

"Do you think you got what you wanted out of the last 4 years?"

"No. Not at all."




At least the guy has a very level head for the most part. He seems like he knows what he wants and he'll stick to that but he also understands that the world isn't going to drop like a concrete ball because "power" has changed hands once again. Big props to this guy.

You don't think the guy came across as a bit of a troll though? I mean, in that one part:

Trumper: I do think the elections were stolen....
Me thinking, "YoU StuPiD MoThErFuCkEr"!!!
Trumper: ....By Trump's incompetence and carelessness.
Me thinking, ".......oh."

Or other parts like where he said he didn't get what he wanted yet he's interested in TrumpTV and such, or the simple fact that he even showed up at this nonexistent protest. I mean, he does sound levelheaded and all, but he still hardly made any sense to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:15 pm 
 

Rob Portman's not running for reelection. The Senate battleground map for 2022 just got a little more favorable to the Dems-- not much more, but even the slightest shift counts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:30 pm 
 

IxI_KILLING wrote:
At least the guy has a very level head for the most part. He seems like he knows what he wants and he'll stick to that but he also understands that the world isn't going to drop like a concrete ball because "power" has changed hands once again. Big props to this guy.

"Big props for this guy" for clearing the low, low bar of... not being a completely far-gone Qanon cultist?

No. He gets no props for that. No one should.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:38 pm 
 

Yeah that's how I basically saw it :lol:. We always see these media stories about the most extreme Trump supporters but a lot of them come across as 'level headed' on the surface when they believe some really batshit insane stuff. For instance, you can tell he doesn't think the election was legitimate, he just was making face for the interview. Not really admirable, like at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:52 pm 
 

I have to admit, I was a little disappointed when 20 Jan came and went without this supposed civil war/race war that both (extreme) sides of the political spectrum, as well as any and all media surrounding this, have been feeding into for years.

Do better next time, dammit! You left me with blue balls after this.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:21 pm 
 

It affirmed everything I suspected about Trumpies. Bunch of loudmouths who won't even show up to a fight the minute a national guard gets deployed. Seriously, compare the will to fight for their beliefs compared to, say, the people in Portland? One rubber bullet and spray of mace and they go home. Shows how much of a fluke the whole thing on Jan 6 was. A complete failure of law enforcement.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:22 pm 
 

Loudmouth Republicans being all bluster and backing down when somebody shows they're ready to start swinging? Surely, folks, you jest.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:53 pm 
 

Speaking of "reasonable Trump supporters", here's an interesting little video about the work ahead in de-programming this cult:



Spoiler alert: 1 out of the 12 is (while still a dipshit, because, you know) not completely batshit insane/so far gone. The rest of them live in the alternate reality where facts don't matter, numbers don't matter (that woman going off about how the PA numbers changed over night "doesn't make sense" had me screaming internally), and Fox News is too far left.

1 in 12. Not a great percentage, like the host says. I won't say we can extrapolate this ratio of batshit insanity to all 77 million of his voters, but it's still an alarming number from that focus group.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:36 am 
 

Ezadara wrote:
Rob Portman's not running for reelection. The Senate battleground map for 2022 just got a little more favorable to the Dems-- not much more, but even the slightest shift counts.

How's the 2022 senate map look for the dems this time? I've heard entirely conflicting reports, probably because everyone had a wrench thrown into their calculus after Republicans' impressively strong showing in the election... and then their shocking losses in the GA runoff.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:20 am 
 

Morrigan wrote:
Speaking of "reasonable Trump supporters", here's an interesting little video about the work ahead in de-programming this cult:



Spoiler alert: 1 out of the 12 is (while still a dipshit, because, you know) not completely batshit insane/so far gone. The rest of them live in the alternate reality where facts don't matter, numbers don't matter (that woman going off about how the PA numbers changed over night "doesn't make sense" had me screaming internally), and Fox News is too far left.

1 in 12. Not a great percentage, like the host says. I won't say we can extrapolate this ratio of batshit insanity to all 77 million of his voters, but it's still an alarming number from that focus group.

At least the video shows that not every Trump supporter is unchangeable. The only thing we can hope for is that we work on getting more Trump supporters to realize that their beliefs are false and eventually be out of the Trump nightmare for good.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:29 am 
 

Why would we expect Trumpers to change when we refuse to change the conditions that produced them in the first place? If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, what the hell does that make us? This is a social movement. It is generated by social forces. It is a product of the systems our society operates under. It isn't a problem of individual people and their badthought.
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