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capeda
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:56 pm 
 

Can’t really argue against that. Fuck subsidies and fuck the people who support them, whether it’s in healthcare or agriculture. I thought we’d have moved past third world economic ideas at this point.

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severzhavnost
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:14 pm 
 

We've known Teflon Donald would pull this kind of BS for over two years now. Remember his "don't worry about the debt, because we can print more money" comment back then? Here it is/was:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics ... index.html
With such stable genius fiscal policy as that, presidential term limits are the only reason the USA won't go full Zimbabwe.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:19 pm 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
We've known Teflon Donald would pull this kind of BS for over two years now. Remember his "don't worry about the debt, because we can print more money" comment back then? Here it is/was:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics ... index.html
With such stable genius fiscal policy as that, presidential term limits are the only reason the USA won't go full Zimbabwe.


I'm starting to get concerned that if he moved to be President For Life like he'd joked about, the Republicans would still just keep supporting him.

I read elsewhere today that the GOP is overwhelmingly supporting candidates that just tow Trump's line. Which means the GOP is overwhelmingly bringing nothing but festering human garbage to the polls this year.
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Leader_OCola
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:43 pm 
 

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I'm sorry, but this piling on against Maggie Haberman is ignorant and misguided. She gets close to Trump so she can get stories, which she does. That's something reporters generally have to do, since berating your interview subject doesn't typically yield useful information (unless your intention is obtaining a "go fuck yourself" recording to endlessly loop on late night television).



only in 2018 USA would it be "ok" for the lead "reporter" with "insider access" to POTUS be the daughter of the VP of Trumps PR firm.

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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:56 pm 
 

capeda wrote:
Can’t really argue against that. Fuck subsidies and fuck the people who support them, whether it’s in healthcare or agriculture. I thought we’d have moved past third world economic ideas at this point.

.............What
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kybernetic
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:15 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
capeda wrote:
Can’t really argue against that. Fuck subsidies and fuck the people who support them, whether it’s in healthcare or agriculture. I thought we’d have moved past third world economic ideas at this point.

.............What


Not surprising he draws the completely wrong conclusion even when 'agreeing' with Resident_Hazard.
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darkeningday
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:24 pm 
 

Yeah after all, what's more third world than some of the wealthiest and most prosperous countries in the entire world, amiright? Literally the definition of third world!
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:25 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
Yeah after all, what's more third world than some of the wealthiest and most prosperous countries in the entire world, amiright? Literally the definition of third world!

Fake news
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capeda
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:25 am 
 

Wait, did we have an overton window shift again? Crony capitalism is popular again?

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~Guest 21181
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:09 am 
 

Everyone likes picking winners when the winners are a favored cause, regardless of whether the method is subsidies or tax breaks or both. But I think it was your inclusion of healthcare that threw everyone off.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:22 am 
 

I don't really want to get into the discussion too deeply, but I think it might be time to state the obvious, just to avoid future misunderstandings: from a Nordic point of view, the US health care system is extremely contrived, unfair, and unbelievably cruel. Europeans pool their resources to get a functional health care; the people in the US seem to gladly pay double, and face the risk of their insurance not paying for things when shit hits the fan, just to make sure none of their money helps their neighbors.

Counting health care among subsidies is the weirdest idea ever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:28 am 
 

Throwing around buzzwords and implying slippery slopes does not argue a point very well, I'm afraid. In any case, I'm sure I'd rather live in a cronyist state than USA and its malicious, vampiric and utterly shambolic health care system.
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:24 am 
 

capeda wrote:
Wait, did we have an overton window shift again? Crony capitalism is popular again?

What?

You basically compared Canada and Nordic countries to the "third world". Which makes you either too stupid to live or certifiably insane.
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capeda
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:25 am 
 

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too stupid to live


A bit gauche, if we're being honest O_O.

Okay, so we like food subsidies, it's just the tariffs that we're against?

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~Guest 226319
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:02 pm 
 

We? You want the other posters here to start telling you what to think? Pretty sure everyone else here thinks (and posts) for themselves...

[EDIT]: Also requesting the thread title be changed to "US poliTRICKS, aka Trump timeline of fuckery".


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~Guest 21181
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:10 pm 
 

As of this evening, the Trump-paying-off-his-Playboy-mistress scandal and the Trump-campaign-conspiring-with-Russian-intelligence-agencies scandal have officially merged. Assuming Cohen isn't lying, which is also plausible.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics ... index.html

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~Guest 21181
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:38 pm 
 

http://observer.com/2018/07/will-someon ... s-to-iran/

No further comment needed.

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nestee8
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:46 pm 
 

Jeff Sessions is now creating a "Religious Liberty Task Force".

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... ar-BBLgheH

Anyone with a quarter of a brain know that this will only apply to Christians, and not others like Jews or Muslims.

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~Guest 282118
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:57 pm 
 

"Religious Liberty Task Force" smells of fatwa envy.

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Face_your_fear_79
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:00 am 
 

Yeah. It definetly smells.

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nestee8
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:08 am 
 

Trump is now moving to remove more Obama era regulations protecting the environment.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... oad-deaths

So much for believing in states rights.

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severzhavnost
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:35 pm 
 

I don't see how removing federal-level regulations has any effect on states' rights, but I agree this is a terrible idea. Fuel efficiency is just inarguably a good thing for everyone except the oil companies, who like our vehicles nice n wasteful.
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Leader_OCola
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:34 pm 
 

severzhavnost wrote:
I don't see how removing federal-level regulations has any effect on states' rights, but I agree this is a terrible idea. Fuel efficiency is just inarguably a good thing for everyone except the oil companies, who like our vehicles nice n wasteful.



running out of the last remaining EROEI+ fossil fuels sooner is not good for oil companies.

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Napero
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:34 pm 
 

severzhavnost, the whole point is to run over the states individual regulations with a legislative monster truck, and force every single state to cut the emission standards to the same shitty level. The states' rights only apply to banning abortion, should the opportunity present itself.

Leader_OCola wrote:
running out of the last remaining EROEI+ fossil fuels sooner is not good for oil companies.

Do you really assume that the people owning stocks in energy companies think more than a few years ahead? On a scale of a quarter of a century?

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Midnightwards666
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:46 pm 
 

I'm not quite sure what the purpose of removing such laws is, I'd imagine it's with the intention of saving money somewhere... but I know Trump does absolutely nothing for the environment and he has previously denied climate change. Just one look at any graphs of recent temperatures throughout the previous centuries should show that we're doing something wrong... it's like it's so blindingly obvious that even the American president can't see it. I can just see his complete disregard for the environment having ghastly consequences in the longterm future.
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darkeningday
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:29 am 
 

I'm against corporate deplatforming but also love irony so I have no idea how to feel about Alex Jones getting kicked off all big tech. It's about on par with neo-nazis getting 86'd by federal agents, it's not good, it has concerning implications and I definitely won't cheer it on, but I also can't really be bothered to give a shit about it either. Plus it's an irony all-you-can-tweet buffet!
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~Guest 282118
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:50 am 
 

I don't see how a corporation deciding to completely disassociate themselves from a rotten loon bastard like Jones is in any way a negative. Dude makes the world a worse place just by his continued existence, so the more difficult it is for him to spread his shit around like a hippo with diarrhea, the better.

PS: any bad thing happening to Nazis is automatically a good thing.

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darkeningday
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:15 am 
 

According to Jones-style pseudolibertarians, private corporations are supposed to be the guarantors of free speech (rather than government, whose power must be stripped at all cost). This is a terrible philosophy to adhere yourself to, and even if it occasionally does the "right" thing (like kicking off Jones from the populist parts of the web), it's still not a good thing.
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From where I'm standing, this doesn't look any different to a store owner refusing you service because you have a swatiska tattooed on your face. You are not obligated to serve anyone as long as you're not discriminating them, and "you spread hate speech and thus not welcome to enjoy our service" is hardly some kind of fascist censorship.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:33 am 
 

Or getting escorted out for wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt, because communists and Nazis are seen as equivalent by many (most?) American business owners.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:56 am 
 

To be fair, their largest practitioners were morally indistinguishable.

EDIT: unless you still consider China a communist country, which...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:01 am 
 

I just read on the local news here that the EPA is removing restrictions on using asbestos in anything but concrete. Wow.

This brings back memories of the 1980's Spitting Image episode where Sylvester Stallone (I recall... not sure) runs for president, and his only campaign promise was to dispose of nuclear waste by force-feeding it to the Canadians. He then proceeded to hand out samples to the cheering crowd from the deck of a US Navy warship.
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^relevant: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... est-russia

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:24 am 
 

Asbestos is a tricky thing. Here, things have already gone way overboard in certain respects: powerwashing an old roofing with asbestos in it for maintenance purposes, for example, is very costly nowadays, because all of the water used must be collected (...ok?) AND filtered before releasing it to the sewer, because as a substance that's only harmful if inhaled needs to be kept out of.... something. Yeah. So it's silly, and the rules have gone too far.

Also, asbestos has excellent technical properties in certain kinds of applications, as long as it stays in its place. It is completely inert in a fire, and has pretty good insulation properties, in addition to being cheap as hell. Banning it does indeed increase costs in some instances.

The again, safely getting rid of asbestos already in place can immensely difficult. Especially in applications such as those mentioned in the news: glue, stickers, vinyl floor coverings, etc.. As long as it stays in its place, it's quite fine, but any disturbing of it without special gear is possibly very unhealthy. I don't think any industrial companies in Finland would want to use it in their plants for that reason alone, even if was legal: using it equals building a huge cost bomb for the future, and there are liability issues if someone gets asbestos lungs from it.

Allowing its use is simply stupid, and probably pure evil, too. Not to mention greedy.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:14 am 
 

Morrigan wrote:
I have never been drunk in my entire life.


I'm so sorry to hear. :(
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:58 am 
 

Haha. Yeah, Morri and HB don't drink or do drugs... except caffeine. ;)

And yeah, stupid shit with the asbestos stuff. Canada just banned it totally last year, go figure that the US is doing the opposite.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:06 am 
 

nestee8 wrote:
Jeff Sessions is now creating a "Religious Liberty Task Force".

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... ar-BBLgheH

Anyone with a quarter of a brain know that this will only apply to Christians, and not others like Jews or Muslims.


I'm just eager to see how the Church of Satan jumps on this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:23 am 
 

Napero wrote:
Allowing its use is simply stupid, and probably pure evil, too. Not to mention greedy.


Sounds just like Trump (and general conservative/libertarian/Republican) policy and action to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:05 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
(and general conservative/libertarian/Republican) policy and action to me


Ah yes, the old "every party but mine is wrong" statement. And before anyone comes at me, I'm more left leaning than anything, but I HATE when people say stupid shit like this.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:23 pm 
 

Admittedly, he's not wrong though SweetLeaf95. It pretty much is a right-wing practice and policy to have allowed asbestos to flourish as it has. They have little interest nowadays in actually cutting its use, so long as friendly corporations want it. The Democrats aren't innocent in this either - given that they took their sweet time cutting down on asbestos and enforcing new regulations limiting its use - but at least they're more willing to do something about it. Although they still wont outright ban it. Both parties are pretty shit, but at least one is less shit than the other.
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