Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Message board

* FAQ    * Register   * Login 



This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.
Author Message Previous topic | Next topic
Empyreal
The Final Frontier

Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:58 pm
Posts: 35263
Location: Where the dead rule the night
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:58 pm 
 

Don't worry, I'm sure there are some Antifa military members someone can find to somehow make the whole thing okay!
_________________
Cinema Freaks latest reviews: Black Roses
Fictional Works - if you hated my reviews over the years then pay me back by reviewing my own stuff
Official Website

Top
 Profile  
GTog
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:35 pm
Posts: 1196
Location: United States
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:44 pm 
 

Hm. So just for clarification, the consensus here is that straight up physical assault and "He masturbated over the phone at me in 1999" (an actual accusation against Louis CK) are exactly the same thing?

I would have thought different. I don't know anyone who has been sexually assaulted, and have not been myself, but my reaction was that equating the two dilutes the message.

I guess it does not. Apologies if I upset anyone over a sensitive issue.
_________________
Metalheads never get old. We just become legendary.

Top
 Profile  
severzhavnost
Something Stupid

Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:16 pm
Posts: 2952
Location: Ottawa
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:28 pm 
 

GTog wrote:
Hm. So just for clarification, the consensus here is that straight up physical assault and "He masturbated over the phone at me in 1999" (an actual accusation against Louis CK) are exactly the same thing?


I don't think anyone here is suggesting these behaviours are of equal severity or criminality. The problem is with your earlier comment that this (reporting of sexual misconduct) "is getting out of hand", reinforces the fear of coming forward that affects victims of the whole range of indecent acts. For example, it is a good thing that my sister told my father and me about the drunkard who exposed himself to her from a distance at the bus stop; even though it's not exactly the same as other more violent sexual crimes that have happened to relatives of mine.
_________________
rejected review wrote:
Have you ever had Kimchi Waffle?
Kimchi Waffle was made by World Institute of Kimchi in South Korea.
It’s so powerful that your stomachs will damn.
Bulgogi Kimchi Bibimbap waffle burger! Holy shit! litterally shit!

Top
 Profile  
Derigin
The Mountain Man

Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 5999
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:10 pm 
 

I don't really speak much on the topic, but I can speak as someone who has been sexually assaulted in a severe way (the fact I even have to say "severe" seems rather sad to me, actually). And, I'm hopeful that I'm one of the rare ones here. On the one hand I can understand your point, GTog, but it's really not a point worth making. At least, it assumes the act is the only thing that matters - and should matter - and not the context. It's both. With Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and now Louis CK, among many, many others, you have powerful individuals using their positions of power to victimize less powerful people through sexual means. Think of the context for Louis CK's victims, or even Kevin Spacey's victims, or Weinstein's. Here you have people who are just starting out in their careers, who look up to these powerful people and are taken advantage of and dehumanized as nothing more than a sexual object. Men and women, boys and girls; it may not be physically damaging, but it's damaging in other means. And it's important that we recognize that, and end that.

But at the same time, yeah, there are opportunists and false accusations, and then the shitty people who make elbowgates out of sexual assault. But it's important to not marginalize acts like this, even if they are committed by people we respect, or admire, or might even love. It's important that we see it for what it is; something that we shouldn't just brush off anymore. So "spectrums" really shouldn't matter.
_________________
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

R.I.P. Diamhea 1987-2018
Live young, die free. Gone, but not forgotten.

Top
 Profile  
circleofdestruction
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:15 am
Posts: 1050
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:51 pm 
 

While false accusations are a thing that exists and can happen, I am really seeing a lot of people elsewhere automatically thinking they're all false because they like the people who were accused, which is quite shitty. I just saw one person say it's "turning into a witchhunt." The difference is that witches that were historically killed weren't real witches, and I'm sure at least some of these are real sex offenders, so the comparison fails pretty hard, IMO.

And on the other hand, I've seen people who can't seem to separate art from the artist, and think you can't enjoy a person's films anymore if they've committed crimes or are a sleazeball. I can see not wanting to give a person your money, but ffs, if I had to like everybody involved in the films, music, etc that I like I couldn't watch or listen to anything.
_________________
CircleOfDestruction zine #18|Video-Nasties.net | My Art Site

Top
 Profile  
MrMcThrasher II
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:01 pm
Posts: 1321
Location: United States
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:46 pm 
 

CK seems creepy but him as a comedian I can see him joking about doing that in front of somebody. Whether it's a really funny is a matter of opinion.
_________________
Murtal wrote:
In flames became MeloDICK Death Metal

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:
Also hopefully they take it as a sign they're not meant to make more albums.

Top
 Profile  
schizoid
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:35 am
Posts: 1602
Location: New Zealand
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:16 pm 
 

Well it's not so funny anymore if it's actually true. Whether it is or not, this is definitely going to impact his career.
_________________
add me on Untappd! https://untappd.com/user/ChairmanDrew

Top
 Profile  
henkkjelle
Metal freak

Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:54 pm
Posts: 4537
Location: Netherlands
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:54 pm 
 

So Louis released a statement, admitting the things he's been accused of.

Spoiler: show
I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.

These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with. I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.

The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You, Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie. and every other entity that has bet on me through the years. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.

I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen. Thank you for reading.


I think this comes close to the most appropriate response he could have given.
_________________
... just the bare bones of a name, all rock and ice and storm and abyss. It makes no attempt to sound human. It is atoms and stars.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 21181
The Great Fearmonger

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:44 am
Posts: 3987
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:32 pm 
 

Republicans at the national level are abandoning Roy Moore left and right---telling him to step down, cutting fundraising ties. His chief backers now are all state-level Alabama GOP, plus Bannon.


https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/ ... ore-244783

Top
 Profile  
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 6032
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:05 am 
 

henkkjelle wrote:
So Louis released a statement, admitting the things he's been accused of.

Spoiler: show
I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.

These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with. I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.

The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You, Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie. and every other entity that has bet on me through the years. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.

I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen. Thank you for reading.


I think this comes close to the most appropriate response he could have given.

Yeah, it looks like it's over for Louis for the time being: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv ... story.html
Fine by me. Actions have consequences.
_________________
Support Women's Health
Please donate to a local abortion fund of your choice here instead of high-profile national organizations like NARAL or Planned Parenthood. If you're unsure where to distribute funds, select an abortion trigger law state; any organization will do.

Top
 Profile  
failsafeman
Digital Dictator

Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:45 am
Posts: 11852
Location: In the Arena
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:37 am 
 

The thing that sucks about it is he apparently hasn't done any of that garbage for over 10 years, and now a lot of other people working on those shows with him are paying the price. But then a lot of those shows are being made on his reputation, which is now trashed whether the networks walk away from him or not. Even if they continue making them without Louis CK, they're going to take a big hit. I hate it because I think he's done wonderful things for comedy overall, and inspired tons of great comedians to follow in his footsteps. Hopefully he'll be allowed to make amends and return eventually.
_________________
MorbidBlood wrote:
So the winner is Destruction and Infernal Overkill is the motherfucking skullcrushing poserkilling satan-worshiping 666 FUCK YOU greatest german thrash record.

Top
 Profile  
Morrigan
Crone of War

Joined: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:27 am
Posts: 10528
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:09 am 
 

GTog wrote:
Hm. So just for clarification, the consensus here is that straight up physical assault and "He masturbated over the phone at me in 1999" (an actual accusation against Louis CK) are exactly the same thing?

I would have thought different. I don't know anyone who has been sexually assaulted, and have not been myself, but my reaction was that equating the two dilutes the message.

I guess it does not. Apologies if I upset anyone over a sensitive issue.

I was once randomly groped by a stranger in public. However, I never had my boss or co-worker whip out his cock and start masturbating in front of me.

Guess which one of the two I'd find worse?
_________________
Von Cichlid wrote:
I work with plenty of Oriental and Indian persons and we get along pretty good, and some females as well.

Markeri, in 2013 wrote:
a fairly agreed upon date [of the beginning of metal] is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Top
 Profile  
darkeningday
xXdArKenIngDayXx

Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:20 pm
Posts: 6032
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:09 am 
 

Neither! The only kind of sexual assault that actually exists is literal hiding-in-a-bush-rapists who wear t-shirts that say "I legitimately enjoy raping people" and can only be guilty of it if they are unrepentant afterwards. In all other cases, it's the woman's fault for looking too sexy/not sexy enough, failing to own pepper spray and/or neglecting to use a drinks testing kit on every beverage she will ever drink for the rest of her life.

That's the egalitarian way! This message has been brought to you by Sargon of Akkad, poster child for True Egalitarianism And Definitely Not Sexism (because it has the word egalitarian in it).
_________________
Support Women's Health
Please donate to a local abortion fund of your choice here instead of high-profile national organizations like NARAL or Planned Parenthood. If you're unsure where to distribute funds, select an abortion trigger law state; any organization will do.

Top
 Profile  
Empyreal
The Final Frontier

Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:58 pm
Posts: 35263
Location: Where the dead rule the night
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:40 am 
 

henkkjelle wrote:
So Louis released a statement, admitting the things he's been accused of.

Spoiler: show
I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.

These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with. I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.

The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You, Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie. and every other entity that has bet on me through the years. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.

I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen. Thank you for reading.


I think this comes close to the most appropriate response he could have given.


Keep in mind that he has denied these things for years before this and consistently either dismissed them as mere rumors or just outright refused to answer questions about them in otherwise candid, lengthy interviews. It's cool that he seems repentant now, but he seems to have been all too eager to lie about it beforehand, so it is a bit hollow at the end really. He's only sorry now because he got caught, basically.

circleofdestruction wrote:
While false accusations are a thing that exists and can happen, I am really seeing a lot of people elsewhere automatically thinking they're all false because they like the people who were accused, which is quite shitty. I just saw one person say it's "turning into a witchhunt." The difference is that witches that were historically killed weren't real witches, and I'm sure at least some of these are real sex offenders, so the comparison fails pretty hard, IMO.

And on the other hand, I've seen people who can't seem to separate art from the artist, and think you can't enjoy a person's films anymore if they've committed crimes or are a sleazeball. I can see not wanting to give a person your money, but ffs, if I had to like everybody involved in the films, music, etc that I like I couldn't watch or listen to anything.


I have an open mind if these accusations were ever proven to be false, but none of them have yet. It should be easier to prove these things false than to prove them true - if a guy could prove never to have worked with an accuser, or that he hadn't been in the room at that specific time, something like that. But that hasn't been the case yet. I wouldn't think this many women would ever make that much stuff up, nor would they want to for all the scrutiny, name-calling, etc.

It's a tricky business with sexual assault because so much of the time, it's in incremental ways like groping or something, as opposed to outright beating them up and ripping their clothes off, and "he touched me inappropriately" is impossible to "prove" in the way that some of these skeptics want. People want to come up with outlandish theories and diminish the accusations, rather than face the plain truth that this shit happens every day and is commonplace. It is a fact of life.
_________________
Cinema Freaks latest reviews: Black Roses
Fictional Works - if you hated my reviews over the years then pay me back by reviewing my own stuff
Official Website

Top
 Profile  
GTog
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:35 pm
Posts: 1196
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:24 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
GTog wrote:
Hm. So just for clarification, the consensus here is that straight up physical assault and "He masturbated over the phone at me in 1999" (an actual accusation against Louis CK) are exactly the same thing?

I would have thought different. I don't know anyone who has been sexually assaulted, and have not been myself, but my reaction was that equating the two dilutes the message.

I guess it does not. Apologies if I upset anyone over a sensitive issue.

I was once randomly groped by a stranger in public. However, I never had my boss or co-worker whip out his cock and start masturbating in front of me.

Guess which one of the two I'd find worse?


The one that happened to you.

I offer no defense and make no rationalizations. I genuinely called this one wrong. Sexual assault isn't one of those things where one can sort of zoom out an dispassionately examine the whole phenomenon. Doing so will blur the fact that there's a collection of intensely personal experiences involved, all of which must be empathized with for what they are.
_________________
Metalheads never get old. We just become legendary.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 98976
Metal Pounder

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:08 pm
Posts: 8000
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:24 pm 
 

If you want people to take you seriously, maybe you shouldn't have opened up with the following:

GTog wrote:
The Louis CK rumors have me thinking that this #MeToo business has gotten out of hand.


Especially when he's gone on record to state, "yes, this absolutely happened."

Top
 Profile  
stickyshooZ
TO HAVE AND TO HOLD

Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:29 am
Posts: 1376
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:29 pm 
 

GTog wrote:
Morrigan wrote:
I was once randomly groped by a stranger in public. However, I never had my boss or co-worker whip out his cock and start masturbating in front of me.

Guess which one of the two I'd find worse?


The one that happened to you.

Really, man? :lol:
_________________
Add me on Last.fm

Exkretor wrote:
The new Sadus sounds like fucking wrestling music.

Top
 Profile  
Morrigan
Crone of War

Joined: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:27 am
Posts: 10528
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:59 pm 
 

GTog wrote:
The one that happened to you.

...Wow.

Edit: just so people don't go "oh look Morrigan with the snarky one-liner again", let me explain to you, hypothetical asshole, why GTog is being a fuckwit: because I explained a clearly hypothetical scenario to explain why Louie CK's sexual misconduct would be worse than a random groping even if no physical touching was involved, and he answered by doing the above deflection because he apparently has zero self-awareness or something, as can be seen here:

Quote:
I offer no defense and make no rationalizations. I genuinely called this one wrong. Sexual assault isn't one of those things where one can sort of zoom out an dispassionately examine the whole phenomenon. Doing so will blur the fact that there's a collection of intensely personal experiences involved, all of which must be empathized with for what they are.

YA THINK
_________________
Von Cichlid wrote:
I work with plenty of Oriental and Indian persons and we get along pretty good, and some females as well.

Markeri, in 2013 wrote:
a fairly agreed upon date [of the beginning of metal] is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Top
 Profile  
MrMcThrasher II
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:01 pm
Posts: 1321
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:50 pm 
 

Anyone see that new tweet about calling Kim short and fat? I swear I'm dreaming...
_________________
Murtal wrote:
In flames became MeloDICK Death Metal

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:
Also hopefully they take it as a sign they're not meant to make more albums.

Top
 Profile  
schizoid
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:35 am
Posts: 1602
Location: New Zealand
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:16 pm 
 

MrMcThrasher II wrote:
Anyone see that new tweet about calling Kim short and fat? I swear I'm dreaming...


Next logical step will be "ur gay" followed by "nah ur gay".
_________________
add me on Untappd! https://untappd.com/user/ChairmanDrew

Top
 Profile  
MrMcThrasher II
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:01 pm
Posts: 1321
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:28 pm 
 

schizoid wrote:
MrMcThrasher II wrote:
Anyone see that new tweet about calling Kim short and fat? I swear I'm dreaming...


Next logical step will be "ur gay" followed by "nah ur gay".

More like Kim DONG Un amiright high fives all around!
_________________
Murtal wrote:
In flames became MeloDICK Death Metal

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:
Also hopefully they take it as a sign they're not meant to make more albums.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 373247
Village Idiot

Joined: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:56 pm
Posts: 733
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:46 pm 
 

All Trump is doing is validating the beliefs held by the North Korean people about the United States being an imperialist nation.

Top
 Profile  
henkkjelle
Metal freak

Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:54 pm
Posts: 4537
Location: Netherlands
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:13 pm 
 

Isn't it?
_________________
... just the bare bones of a name, all rock and ice and storm and abyss. It makes no attempt to sound human. It is atoms and stars.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 21181
The Great Fearmonger

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:44 am
Posts: 3987
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:09 pm 
 

We invaded Afghanistan and didn't get anything in return but a lot of body bags. We invaded Iraq twice and left without any material resources. The second time we invaded we let them elect an Iranian puppet for a leader rather than installing someone more to our liking. When he told us the Iranian soldiers we apprehended (multiple times) with weapons en route to insurgents were actually "diplomats" we let them go free at his order, rather than ignoring him. When we left Iraq we gave them a bunch of our very expensive military toys, which they then abandoned during the invasion by ISIS.

If that's "imperialism" then it's the least competent imperialism ever.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 373247
Village Idiot

Joined: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:56 pm
Posts: 733
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:14 pm 
 

henkkjelle wrote:
Isn't it?

Yes, but he's making matters worse.

Top
 Profile  
henkkjelle
Metal freak

Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:54 pm
Posts: 4537
Location: Netherlands
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:22 pm 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
We invaded Afghanistan and didn't get anything in return but a lot of body bags. We invaded Iraq twice and left without any material resources. The second time we invaded we let them elect an Iranian puppet for a leader rather than installing someone more to our liking. When he told us the Iranian soldiers we apprehended (multiple times) with weapons en route to insurgents were actually "diplomats" we let them go free at his order, rather than ignoring him. When we left Iraq we gave them a bunch of our very expensive military toys, which they then abandoned during the invasion by ISIS.

If that's "imperialism" then it's the least competent imperialism ever.


You could say that failed imperialism far more damaging yeah. But it's the intend that matters.
_________________
... just the bare bones of a name, all rock and ice and storm and abyss. It makes no attempt to sound human. It is atoms and stars.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 373247
Village Idiot

Joined: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:56 pm
Posts: 733
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:46 pm 
 

The U.S. government (particularly the CIA) has an established history of inserting itself into conflicts in Central/South America due entirely to commercial interests. Research the United Fruit Company (which went on to become Chiquita) and their lobbying efforts to persuade the American government that Guatemala was going to align with the Soviet Bloc. The CIA ended up organizing and training a paramilitary group to overthrow the democratically elected officials of Guatemala. If that isn't imperialism, nothing is.

Top
 Profile  
awheio
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:00 am
Posts: 539
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:47 am 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
If that's "imperialism" then it's the least competent imperialism ever.


Indeed.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 226319
President Satan

Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:41 am
Posts: 6570
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:10 am 
 

John Hinckley wasn't really an assassin because he didn't finish Reagan off. Perfect logic.

Top
 Profile  
Resident_Hazard
Possessed by Starscream's Ghost

Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:33 pm
Posts: 2905
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:42 am 
 

A great breakdown of the complete trainwreck that is our President.



John Oliver is gold.
_________________
Warm Fuzzy Cynical comics.
Warm Fuzzy Cynical Facebook page.

Top
 Profile  
MrMcThrasher II
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:01 pm
Posts: 1321
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:56 pm 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
John Hinckley wasn't really an assassin because he didn't finish Reagan off. Perfect logic.

Well how many other people has he successfully assassinated?
_________________
Murtal wrote:
In flames became MeloDICK Death Metal

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:
Also hopefully they take it as a sign they're not meant to make more albums.

Top
 Profile  
lost_wanderer
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun May 22, 2005 4:59 pm
Posts: 312
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:34 pm 
 

''Many of those supporters were sporting Trump‘s trademark red “Make America Great Again” baseball caps that were made in China, Vietnam and Bangladesh. ''



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-hats/its-made-in-vietnam-at-inauguration-origin-of-red-trump-hats-shocks-many-idUSKBN1542YL
_________________
Invocation wrote:
True story: when I saw Ondskapt live the vocalist started the set by shouting "You are all worms beneath the feet of Satan!". Someone in the audience immediately shouted back "Fuck off mate!".

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 21181
The Great Fearmonger

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:44 am
Posts: 3987
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:01 pm 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
John Hinckley wasn't really an assassin because he didn't finish Reagan off. Perfect logic.


This analogy fails once you consider we haven't had an actual history of imperialism since (ironically) our pre-WWII, pre-gigantic military spending days.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 98976
Metal Pounder

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:08 pm
Posts: 8000
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:36 pm 
 

lost_wanderer wrote:
''Many of those supporters were sporting Trump‘s trademark red “Make America Great Again” baseball caps that were made in China, Vietnam and Bangladesh.''

Most stuff is. This is non-news.

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 21181
The Great Fearmonger

Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:44 am
Posts: 3987
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:04 pm 
 

The best part about the leak of the Trump Jr/Wikileaks emails is now Wikileaks is complaining about taking leaked documents out of context.

Top
 Profile  
lost_wanderer
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun May 22, 2005 4:59 pm
Posts: 312
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:21 am 
 

FasterDisaster wrote:
lost_wanderer wrote:
''Many of those supporters were sporting Trump‘s trademark red “Make America Great Again” baseball caps that were made in China, Vietnam and Bangladesh.''

Most stuff is. This is non-news.



I know that most stuff are made here but it's just ironic that while Trump was against China and for giving job back to americans, he made his hats in those countries.
_________________
Invocation wrote:
True story: when I saw Ondskapt live the vocalist started the set by shouting "You are all worms beneath the feet of Satan!". Someone in the audience immediately shouted back "Fuck off mate!".

Top
 Profile  
Subrick
Metal Strongman

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:27 pm
Posts: 10169
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:25 am 
 

And his supporters will say that it's a "good business move" because he saved money on manufacturing, which clearly means he's good with the economy of a whole country.
_________________
Earthcubed wrote:
I'm just perpetually annoyed by Sean William Scott and he's never been in a movie where I wasn't rooting for his head to sever by strange means.

Blacksoul Seraphim Gothic Doom Metal
Autumn's Ashes Melodic Death/Doom Metal

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 98976
Metal Pounder

Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:08 pm
Posts: 8000
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:28 am 
 

lost_wanderer wrote:
I know that most stuff are made here but it's just ironic that while Trump was against China and for giving job back to americans, he made his hats in those countries.

A politician lying? I've never heard such a thing!

Top
 Profile  
~Guest 226319
President Satan

Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:41 am
Posts: 6570
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:13 pm 
 

Something fell.


Last edited by ~Guest 226319 on Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Top
 Profile  
Dettigers
Metal newbie

Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:18 pm
Posts: 265
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:32 pm 
 

circleofdestruction wrote:
While false accusations are a thing that exists and can happen, I am really seeing a lot of people elsewhere automatically thinking they're all false because they like the people who were accused, which is quite shitty. I just saw one person say it's "turning into a witchhunt." The difference is that witches that were historically killed weren't real witches, and I'm sure at least some of these are real sex offenders, so the comparison fails pretty hard, IMO.

And on the other hand, I've seen people who can't seem to separate art from the artist, and think you can't enjoy a person's films anymore if they've committed crimes or are a sleazeball. I can see not wanting to give a person your money, but ffs, if I had to like everybody involved in the films, music, etc that I like I couldn't watch or listen to anything.


It's about wanting the law to play out and not getting into mob rule. It's not that I don't believe someone it's that I hold to the law and I don't want to be a part of the mob. On top of that if someone is doing something illegal why is the victim not going to the police? That's the big issue here. If someone was sexual abused by Kevin Spacey go to the police so that they can look into it and if true he can be locked up.

It's the same when it comes to murder , if you get into a car accident, have something stolen and so on. When you don't report or say something about it until years later questions will and rightly so be asked.

Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Go to page Previous  1 ... 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 ... 227  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CoconutBackwards and 9 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

 
Jump to:  

Back to the Encyclopaedia Metallum


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group