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Festivus
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:48 pm 
 

Master_Of_Thrash wrote:
That's true, but I was like 10 years old in 2006, so I was pretty young and naïve. I think that was the last truly great year for WWE. I never had the channels that aired WWE, so my only source was YouTube, and I can definitely say that the Attitude Era and the early to mid 2000's are my favourite times.

2006 actually felt like WWE was trying to recreate the AE spark, with the McMahons being regular on-screen characters again, DX reforming, ECW's return as a brand, etc. Then one year later Benoit does... that thing and WWE eventually goes back to being family friendly like it was in the 80s and until the mid-late 90s.
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We have a whole thread where I intermittently rip anything WWE has done since 2001 apart for ~10 pages.

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I wonder when did Nu Metal start getting a lot of flack from metalheads. I mean nu metal was a gateway drug into "real" metal for many metalheads born in the 80s and 90s. Remember that the 90s were those years post the "metal boom" with Metallica having "sold out", the biggest thrash bands losing quality, Maiden and Priest also being past their prime already, etc. ofc you had some European scenes growing, but as far as mainstream stuff was for people to get into a genre(remember the internet was not as easily accessible as it is nowadays) what other choice did they have other than listen to Pantera, Slipknot, Disturbed, Korn, etc?

Almost immediately. Most of these bands popped up between 1996 and 2000, and I would cruise the Bolt (early social network site) and lurk/post on the metal forum quite often. If somebody brought up Slipknot, Korn, PM5K, or Linkin Park (the most constant names brought up) then they were chastised almost immediately. Most were troll-ish ogres, but some posters actually did the whole "no, that's not really metal, THIS is metal" stuff.

Even IRL, too, it was almost immediately. 8th grade me walking up to somebody who was 17-18 at the mall while wearing a Slipknot shirt and asking about metal resulted in quick laughs at best and the usual "poseur" rants at worst.
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Btw, many people have no idea that Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park are considered nu metal. Those bands were usually bigger with people who usually don't like metal much. Same for RATM.

That's because nu-metal is less a specific style and more a catch-all term for anything remotely heavy from that era. It's only been in hindsight that specifications became apparent.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:00 pm 
 

I know we do, acid_bukkake. But I don't think M_o_T posts there.

Hmm interesting. Well, when I was in 6th-7th grade several of my classmates liked Papa Roach and the older teenagers/young adults of the time considered that to be a trashy band and also looked down on Linp Bizkit as being a band for kids who wanted to act edgy.
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Festivus wrote:
2006 actually felt like WWE was trying to recreate the AE spark, with the McMahons being regular on-screen characters again, DX reforming, ECW's return as a brand, etc. Then one year later Benoit does... that thing and WWE eventually goes back to being family friendly like it was in the 80s and until the mid-late 90s.

Chris Benoit was one of my favourites. What a savage guy he was.

I'm not the biggest wrestling fan and I don't know as much as others about it, that's why I don't post there. :)
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I was a HUGE Nu metal fan for a while there. 7th grade thru 9th grade and I still like a bunch of t for nostalgia. I still have Linkin Park, PM5K, Static X, Dope (one of my personal favorites) all on my iPod. I'm not ashamed in the least. But, like I've already said, the dudes who got me into that stuff also got me into stuff like Maiden, Priest, a bunch of thrash etc. And then friends at school got me into stuff like black and death metal.

Edit: I should mention I'll be turning 30 this year. So the Nu Metal blow up was perfectly timed for me. I was starting to really get interested in music when it started becoming huge. I still remember seeing Disturbed before they got big.
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Has anyone ever looked at a prepackaged hardboiled egg and thought "wow, that's really something I want to put through my intestines." ?
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Things I hate in nu metal - the drop D "chords" where almost everything is variation of Blind.

The DJ - how was this ever a thing? Let's incorporate a DJ whose one ability is scratching a record.

The rapper - I can see why this was a thing but surely someone realized it miserably failed when Debbie Harry tried it so let it die?

The aesthetic style - these were fully grown adults in this "spooky halloween" attire? With the whole clown makeup, gelled/coloured hair and moping about life is unfair? Did you look in the mirror?

No solos - you took out one of the best most celebrated things in metal, what were you thinking?

One word/made up/number band names - WE are DAMNAGED, WE are Fr0zenhead, WE are 3HIRST, WE are Moongrape, WE are H0rr0rd00r!
Or the two random words placed next to each others like Tower Bag, Chester Dark, Demon Tactic, Cutting Light. Such brood.

The non-acceptance of Nu-Metal - I can't think of one band that acknowledged they were part of a wave of similar bands. It was plainly obvious there were similar characteristics.

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Things I hate about ice cream. It's cold. It's ice. It's cream. If only it were something else, it would be good.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:18 pm 
 

...there's someone on Earth who doesn't like ice cream? I think you need a doctor to check that out, man.
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Hating 'ice cream'. What are you, Pol Pot?

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It's just too icey and creamy. It needs to stop pretending it's anything other than glorified fat and sugar. The aesthetic style is just soo saccharine and not raw and real enough for me.
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Oh sorry I didn't respond I was too busy laughing at your hilarious ice cream comparison. Oh you sure got me good, said no one.

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volutetheswarth wrote:
Things I hate in nu metal - the drop D "chords" where almost everything is variation of Blind.


I like it how you're trying to imply that they're not chords or that they're somehow lesser. I mean, they're the exactly the same chords that make up most metal songs.
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The fact that you think it was about ice cream speaks to your incorrigible obliviousness. And as Acrobat pointed out, apparently a wealth of ignorance when it comes to music as well :lol:
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I think the only nu-metal band I ever got into was Korn. When their second album came out I was already growing fed up with them and I never bought it, but I did jam that first one quite a bit in...I think it was grade ten. That was also the year Sepultura's Roots came out and it was my first exposure to that band. I annoyed a lot of people by playing that thing really loud and screaming along with "Roots, Bloody Roots" and so on. Then one night I was listening to a radio show and they played "Beneath the Remains" and "From the past Comes the Storms" back to back. I had somehow imagined that 80s Sepultura was just primitive noisy shit before then, so I was kind of taken aback by how much more intricate the guitars seemed to be and I think I realised that I wanted more of that.

Nobody in my highschool listened to metal that I knew of, except maybe for one or two Pantera fans. My parents definitely were never metal or even really big rock fans and as has already been said, it's strange to think that some have had the experience of actually growing up hearing heavy music in their family homes. My dad did enjoy some rock stuff like Jethro Tull, Bob Dylan and Frank Zappa but he never played any of those records once he moved in with my stepmother ... it was all jazz and classical (mostly opera) from then on. So I had very little musical guidance when it came to discovering metal...just one friend who turned me on to Metallica and Black Sabbath, and I pretty much did the rest. That same friend was kind of apalled when I showed him Venom a few years later. hahaha...fun times.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:33 pm 
 

I'm not even a big fan of food that's bad for you, but ice cream is the notable exception. I don't want to live to 100 if that means I can't ever have ice cream again. I'd rather die at 70 and still have my occasional ice cream.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:34 pm 
 

Master_Of_Thrash wrote:
That's true, but I was like 10 years old in 2006, so I was pretty young and naïve.

Unrelated to the WWE discussion, but man, 2006 feels like yesterday, so to hear that and then to remember it's 2017 now is a bit of a mind-fuck. :P

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Has anyone ever looked at a prepackaged hardboiled egg and thought "wow, that's really something I want to put through my intestines." ?

I have never once seen a pre-packaged hard-boiled egg. Must be an American thing.... o_O

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Things I hate about ice cream. It's cold. It's ice. It's cream. If only it were something else, it would be good.

Haha, I'm sure you're joking, mate. :) I love ice cream, especially with Ice Magic and sprinkles on it. Sometimes I go to Cold Rock and get three or four mix-ins with my various ice creams. Also, yes I'm 30. :D
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:36 pm 
 

Yes Mikey, surreal how 2006 was already 11 years ago.

God I played so much Pro Evolution Soccer 5 back then!
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Festivus wrote:
Yes Mikey, surreal how 2006 was already 11 years ago.

God I played so much Pro Evolution Soccer 5 back then!

I hear you! I think I clocked Doom 3 for the 10th time back then, when I was 19 and had no life. Still have no life now, but now I have experience creases on my face. ;)
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MikeyC wrote:
Festivus wrote:
Yes Mikey, surreal how 2006 was already 11 years ago.

God I played so much Pro Evolution Soccer 5 back then!

I hear you! I think I clocked Doom 3 for the 10th time back then, when I was 19 and had no life. Still have no life now, but now I have experience creases on my face. ;)

Lemme try to remember. I was playing at least these games back then:

PES 5
SD vs. Raw 2006
Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga
Mario tennis Power Tour
Bully (Canis Canem Edit in Europe)
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I never played any of those games but I remember Bully being really controversial at the time. I don't think Australian stores even stocked it.

Also 2006 was only two years after Facebook, one year before smartphones, one year before Twitter, and three years before the iPad/tablets. Lots have changed!
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MikeyC wrote:
I never played any of those games but I remember Bully being really controversial at the time. I don't think Australian stores even stocked it.

Also 2006 was only two years after Facebook, one year before smartphones, one year before Twitter, and three years before the iPad/tablets. Lots have changed!

They changed its name in Europe to "Dog eats dog" in Latin, because the name Bully was too aggressive or something. Tbh, the title was kinda misleading. You're not supposed to become a bully in the game, but basically the most popular kid in school in order to avoid getting your as kicked by other factions.

"two years after". Facebook itself as what it is today only became a thing in 2010 or so.
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Facebook? :scratch:

2006... Barely remember it, was too busy working 6am til 4pm Monday to Friday, but I think that was the year my other half and I moved in together. She was living across the street from this amazing 120 year old terrace that came up for rent, so we thought "why not?". Put our application in, and (as we were/are a working couple) they approved us immediately. I miss that place. Don't miss paying rent though!
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volutetheswarth wrote:
Things I hate in nu metal - the drop D "chords" where almost everything is variation of Blind.

Hmm. I think Blind is actually in A-standard. That's would be the same tuning that Demilich uses, incidentally, although they play on 6-strings, as opposed to KoRn's 7-strings.
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Anyone else in Ontario, Quebec and maybe even New York lose power from freezing rain storm last night? Fairly big-ass outage here in Ottawa, but I was so deeply immersed in Ur Falc'h (great Quebec black metal) to notice until electricity returned at 1:30 am and stuff started beeping to be reset.
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Hate to break out my shameful, 7th grade, nu-metal beginnings....gulp

Ilwhyan wrote:
volutetheswarth wrote:
Things I hate in nu metal - the drop D "chords" where almost everything is variation of Blind.

Hmm. I think Blind is actually in A-standard. That's would be the same tuning that Demilich uses, incidentally, although they play on 6-strings, as opposed to KoRn's 7-strings.


Korn was actually kind of a rarity in nu-metal in that they did not use drop-anything tuning. Everything was always in A-standard on a seven string guitar. Regardless of the type of guitar used, nearly all of the other nu-metal bands used drop-something tuning for most of their songs. Deftones, Godsmack, Slipknot, Disturbed, Papa Roach, etc. The only other exception to this was the first two Limp Bizkit albums. Eventually Bizkit switched to 6-strings in drop-B but the first two albums were written on a bizarre custom-made 4-string guitar...not that I would ever encourage anyone to watch a Limp Bizkit music video, but you could clearly see Wes Borland using a 4-string guitar in the video for "Nookie." That's not a bass; their bassist played a 5-string bass. I'm pretty sure Limp Bizkit is the only rock or metal band whose guitarist played with fewer strings than their bassist.
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I like Mudvayne a lot. Those guys surely know how to play, especially when compared to all the bunch of Drop-C strumming "musicians" in Nu Metal.
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I was super into nu metal from like 6th to 8th grade (I'll compound this embarrassment by saying I'm only a senior in high school. I could've been introduced through way better shit lol), and I will fight anyone who says Slipknot's first 2 albums aren't fuckin great. My dad showed me stuff like Slayer and SOD somewhere in there, I showed a couple friends, and we mostly got super into thrash. I did a bit of research coming into high school and instead of moving through the chronology of extreme metal, I just jumped straight into tech death shit. I was a Dying Fetus fan before I had ever heard a note of Death, Morbid Angel, Autopsy, etc. I still haven't listened to plenty of "classic" death or black metal bands because I spend a lot of time trying to keep up with newer releases.
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Festivus wrote:
Yes Mikey, surreal how 2006 was already 11 years ago.

God I played so much Pro Evolution Soccer 5 back then!


It's the tenth anniversary of my highschool graduation this year. Fuck.

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26th here.

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I concluded HS in June 2008. Nearly 9 years ago already.

It's like once we got to 2009 years have just been flying by. I was just getting used to write 2016. It always takes me a few months in a new year to refere to the previous year as "last year" instead of "some months ago".
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I will fight anyone who says Slipknot's first 2 albums aren't fuckin great.

They're actually quite good. The lyrics are kind of lame but I actually like the energy of the music. Would've been good to see them live at that time.
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I just breezed through the last two pages and we're still apologizing for nu metal. On one hand, the pre-2010 MA is rolling in its grave, on the other hand, progress is usually good so...?

Though I think I saw somebody praise Rage Against the Machine though, and if I was in charge that'd be a bannable offense. Legitimately one of the worst bands I've ever known.
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BastardHead wrote:
I just breezed through the last two pages and we're still apologizing for nu metal. On one hand, the pre-2010 MA is rolling in its grave, on the other hand, progress is usually good so...?

Though I think I saw somebody praise Rage Against the Machine though, and if I was in charge that'd be a bannable offense. Legitimately one of the worst bands I've ever known.

RATM are way too "raw raw fight da powah!" for me. The only times I've remotely enjoyed one of their songs was whilst piss drunk. Their lyrics are ridiculous and for an anti-capitalism guy I bet Tom Morello doesn't hate all the royalties cash he makes.
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I know the 90s was the same decade that Primus became a household name so it was certainly a weird time, but RATM is so blatantly, irritatingly, offensively bad that I just don't understand how they became radio darlings. Morello's broken guitar is the most annoying shit in the world, the way he runs one two note riff into the ground for five minutes against a dead simple backbeat and terrible rap-yelling on every single song is seriously the most grating shit in the world and I'll never understand how they've gone platinum nine fucking times. I hate them.
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I don't even know who Primus are, honestly. I did a quick google search and it doesn't a ring a bell. I guess their prime was when I was a little kid and then they sorta faded into obscurity forever?

90s a weird time? I'd say the 80s were a weirder time as far as music goes.

Not nu metal at all, but for some reason, I took a real liking to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers in 9th grade. I really loved the Californication album. And I wasn't heavily into music at the time yet. I also liked several Offspring songs. Btw, are Offspring even still around? lol
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This thread is getting awful Subricky.

I can think of two bands I would say are actually annoying that I also happen to like, and those two bands are Primus and Lightning Bolt. Both are really cool but I can only take in pretty limited doses as they're both grating in their own ways.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:33 pm 
 

Man how can you not know Primus? I had a dream once where two naked women were sitting on the floor playing the bassline to Mr. Krinkle on didgeridoos on loop for hours. Primus has its hooks in my soul.
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