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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 3:47 am 
 
Some PROTO-DEATH METAL bands in the lines of old Kreator, old Dark Angel, old Protector
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BillyR
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:02 am 
 
Thats called 'Thrash'.
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Forever Underground
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:50 am 
 
Merciless from Sweden
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Massacra from France (first 3 albums)
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Morbid Saint from USA
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DecemberSoul
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 5:06 am 
 
I'm dead certain I've encountered multiple threads on this subject in recent years, try searching for those.
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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 7:54 am 
 
DecemberSoul wrote:
I'm dead certain I've encountered multiple threads on this subject in recent years, try searching for those.


Didint find any! Any post equal or similar!!!

Can you Help me out?


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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 7:56 am 
 
Forever Underground wrote:
Merciless from Sweden
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Massacra from France (first 3 albums)
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Morbid Saint from USA
Spoiler: show


Só great thanks
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Ace_Rimmer
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 9:11 am 
 
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=131456

I'm sure a lot of these will fit. :metal:
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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 12:32 pm 
 
Ace_Rimmer wrote:
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=131456

I'm sure a lot of these will fit. :metal:


Oh yeahh. Thanks! Só great
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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:17 pm 
 
BillyR wrote:
Thats called 'Thrash'.


Would you call Metallica proto-death metal?
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robotniq
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 4:43 pm 
 
I disagree that 'proto death metal' and 'extreme thrash metal' are the same thing. Records like "Pleasure to Kill", "Darkness Descends" and "Misanthropy" sound like extreme thrash to me. The first two certainly influenced death metal. The latter has death metal elements (like the slower riff of "Holy Inquisition"), but the songs return to that Teutonic thrash gallop in the end.

True 'proto death metal' is a scarier, wilder beast, and seems to splinter off from the main thrash lineage in about 1985. Dive into the period from 1984 to 1987. That is because death metal was here to stay by 1988. Obivously, most of this stuff is hidden in demos but you will see a couple of familiar names in here:

Slayer - Haunting the Chapel (1984)
Possessed - Seven Churches (1985)
Terminal Death - Faces of Death (1985)
Sepultura - Bestial Devastation (1985)
Insanity - Rehearsal Demo (1985)
RAVAGE - Rotting in Hell (1985)
Mutilator - Bloodstorm (1986)
Morbid Angel - Abominations of Desolation (1986)
Devastation - A Creation of a Ripping Death (1986)
Poison - Into the Abyss (1986)
Sindrome - Into the Halls of Extermination (1987)
Pentagram (Chile) - Demo 1 & 2 (1987)
Morbid Angel - Thy Kingdom Come (1987)

(Massacra's debut is a great album, but since it came out in 1990 then it is hard to call it proto anything. I do think it is a perfect example of 'thrashy death metal' though, as opposed to 'death/thrash').
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BillyR
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 5:09 pm 
 
HeavenDuff wrote:
BillyR wrote:
Thats called 'Thrash'.


Would you call Metallica proto-death metal?


No, id call them Thrash.
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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 5:38 pm 
 
BillyR wrote:
HeavenDuff wrote:
BillyR wrote:
Thats called 'Thrash'.


Would you call Metallica proto-death metal?


No, id call them Thrash.


Greaaat, thanks
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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 5:39 pm 
 
BillyR wrote:
HeavenDuff wrote:
BillyR wrote:
Thats called 'Thrash'.


Would you call Metallica proto-death metal?


No, id call them Thrash.


Me too..
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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 6:05 pm 
 
BillyR wrote:
Thats called 'Thrash'.


Death-Thrash
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sam78
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2023 6:06 pm 
 
robotiq wrote:
I disagree that 'proto death metal' and 'extreme thrash metal' are the same thing. Records like "Pleasure to Kill", "Darkness Descends" and "Misanthropy" sound like extreme thrash to me. The first two certainly influenced death metal. The latter has death metal elements (like the slower riff of "Holy Inquisition"), but the songs return to that Teutonic thrash gallop in the end.

True 'proto death metal' is a scarier, wilder beast, and seems to splinter off from the main thrash lineage in about 1985. Dive into the period from 1984 to 1987. That is because death metal was here to stay by 1988. Obivously, most of this stuff is hidden in demos but you will see a couple of familiar names in here:

Slayer - Haunting the Chapel (1984)
Possessed - Seven Churches (1985)
Terminal Death - Faces of Death (1985)
Sepultura - Bestial Devastation (1985)
Insanity - Rehearsal Demo (1985)
RAVAGE - Rotting in Hell (1985)
Mutilator - Bloodstorm (1986)
Morbid Angel - Abominations of Desolation (1986)
Devastation - A Creation of a Ripping Death (1986)
Poison - Into the Abyss (1986)
Sindrome - Into the Halls of Extermination (1987)
Pentagram (Chile) - Demo 1 & 2 (1987)
Morbid Angel - Thy Kingdom Come (1987)

(Massacra's debut is a great album, but since it came out in 1990 then it is hard to call it proto anything. I do think it is a perfect example of 'thrashy death metal' though, as opposed to 'death/thrash').


Great list ... awesome
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peterott
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 10:16 am 
 
sam78 wrote:
robotiq wrote:
I disagree that 'proto death metal' and 'extreme thrash metal' are the same thing. Records like "Pleasure to Kill", "Darkness Descends" and "Misanthropy" sound like extreme thrash to me. The first two certainly influenced death metal. The latter has death metal elements (like the slower riff of "Holy Inquisition"), but the songs return to that Teutonic thrash gallop in the end.

True 'proto death metal' is a scarier, wilder beast, and seems to splinter off from the main thrash lineage in about 1985. Dive into the period from 1984 to 1987. That is because death metal was here to stay by 1988. Obivously, most of this stuff is hidden in demos but you will see a couple of familiar names in here:

Slayer - Haunting the Chapel (1984)
Possessed - Seven Churches (1985)
Terminal Death - Faces of Death (1985)
Sepultura - Bestial Devastation (1985)
Insanity - Rehearsal Demo (1985)
RAVAGE - Rotting in Hell (1985)
Mutilator - Bloodstorm (1986)
Morbid Angel - Abominations of Desolation (1986)
Devastation - A Creation of a Ripping Death (1986)
Poison - Into the Abyss (1986)
Sindrome - Into the Halls of Extermination (1987)
Pentagram (Chile) - Demo 1 & 2 (1987)
Morbid Angel - Thy Kingdom Come (1987)

(Massacra's debut is a great album, but since it came out in 1990 then it is hard to call it proto anything. I do think it is a perfect example of 'thrashy death metal' though, as opposed to 'death/thrash').


Great list ... awesome


Add the following to the list and you get quite some amazing stuff - and let me stress how awesome Poison - Into The Abyss really is.
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales (1984)
Necrophagia - Season of the dead (1987)
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids MLP (1984)
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sam78
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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2023 2:45 pm 
 
peterott wrote:
sam78 wrote:
robotiq wrote:
I disagree that 'proto death metal' and 'extreme thrash metal' are the same thing. Records like "Pleasure to Kill", "Darkness Descends" and "Misanthropy" sound like extreme thrash to me. The first two certainly influenced death metal. The latter has death metal elements (like the slower riff of "Holy Inquisition"), but the songs return to that Teutonic thrash gallop in the end.

True 'proto death metal' is a scarier, wilder beast, and seems to splinter off from the main thrash lineage in about 1985. Dive into the period from 1984 to 1987. That is because death metal was here to stay by 1988. Obivously, most of this stuff is hidden in demos but you will see a couple of familiar names in here:

Slayer - Haunting the Chapel (1984)
Possessed - Seven Churches (1985)
Terminal Death - Faces of Death (1985)
Sepultura - Bestial Devastation (1985)
Insanity - Rehearsal Demo (1985)
RAVAGE - Rotting in Hell (1985)
Mutilator - Bloodstorm (1986)
Morbid Angel - Abominations of Desolation (1986)
Devastation - A Creation of a Ripping Death (1986)
Poison - Into the Abyss (1986)
Sindrome - Into the Halls of Extermination (1987)
Pentagram (Chile) - Demo 1 & 2 (1987)
Morbid Angel - Thy Kingdom Come (1987)

(Massacra's debut is a great album, but since it came out in 1990 then it is hard to call it proto anything. I do think it is a perfect example of 'thrashy death metal' though, as opposed to 'death/thrash').


Great list ... awesome


Add the following to the list and you get quite some amazing stuff - and let me stress how awesome Poison - Into The Abyss really is.
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales (1984)
Necrophagia - Season of the dead (1987)
Hellhammer - Apocalyptic Raids MLP (1984)


Yeeeees
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