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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:48 pm 
 

Hello.

I'm looking for songs that have a quite long (at least 2-3 minutes), calm/dreamy/melancholic part at the beginning but then go into a fast/heavy part. The speed/heaviness of the second part can stay at the same level right up to the end of the song or even get higher/heavier. Some random (short) soft parts in the middle/at the end are also allowed.

Examples:

Giant Squid - Sevengill (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mst4S-0nv3I)
maudlin of the Well - Heaven and Weak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... nDS_socrck)
Dusk - An Aerial View (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1jInRcJvQY) -- this song is the best example of what I'm looking for.

Edit: some more examples:

Woods of Ypres - Allure Of The Earth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TArBvaoIXpM)
Ne Obliviscaris - Forget Not (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRk)
Schammasch - Above the Stars of God (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f6vmPdKUIw)
Bathory - Shores In Flames (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNU9oQWe7cc)

There are almost no instrumental rock/metal albums in my music collection, so I've found this track in some random playlist (an awesome song structure, although the non-metal part at the end is too long):
Intronaut - The Reptilian Brain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXnFpFSgdHI)

Any rock/metal subgenre is welcome.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:24 pm 
 

Carpathian Full Moon - Luna garden

If I had the disposable income, CFM's sole album would be the first thing I'd release on vinyl. Somebody PLEASE do that in the near future. Let this not rot and fall into oblivion.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:06 pm 
 

1st that came to mind was the new rivers of nihil capricorn/agoratopia, 2 min of slow almost trance like music that bursts into an amazing piece of death metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDVUZobNSd0

within temptation is not really my thing but i do like this one song called candles and it actually fits the description as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsg3yJ12nEo

Ea - Nia Saeli A Taitalae is surprisingly the only one in my collection where the intro exceeds 2 min, even the "one song albums" have some heavier stuff after a min or so, if someone had said it to me i would've said they were wrong and would sweared most of their songs had 2+ min intros, how wrong i would be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTf2oJa1D4U

Illusion's play - Snowflakes: it actually starts at 1:58 but give me a break
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl9bou8Lobk

Idaaliur - Wind of Beauty - as far as intros go this is one of my favorites and the song as a whole is really good also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4n15uZEZIs

Iron Maiden - Empire of the Clouds - seems a bit pointless to recommend Iron Maiden to anyone, but one never knows, the intro is just a bit over 2 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbAhn7iKLPc

fun exercise, thought i had a bunch of them but then noticed most the intros where only arround 1 min 30. made me revisit some old stuff which is always something i like to do now and then, i'll probably check some more stuff i have stored away and maybe i can come up with more

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:54 pm 
 

Samson - Young Idea A fantastic ending to my favourite album of all times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wPwsht83Hw
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:15 am 
 

Thank you all for the reccomendations!

DecemberSoul wrote:
Carpathian Full Moon - Luna garden

If I had the disposable income, CFM's sole album would be the first thing I'd release on vinyl. Somebody PLEASE do that in the near future. Let this not rot and fall into oblivion.

I said "songs", but instrumental tracks work too. Such a great music! This is one of my favorite metal subgenres, but I've never heard of this band before.

Somar wrote:
fun exercise, thought i had a bunch of them but then noticed most the intros where only arround 1 min 30. made me revisit some old stuff which is always something i like to do now and then, i'll probably check some more stuff i have stored away and maybe i can come up with more

Thanks for your time!
Yes, I thought so, too. I started with bands that combine fast metal parts with calm acoustic parts in their albums, but without much success. And the only similar request I've found is this: Songs that start off as ballads but turn to metal?
It's pretty much the same as what I'm looking for, but it doesn't have to be (literally) ballads, any kind of soft and calm music fits.
...
The songs "Capricorn / Agoratopia", "Candles", "Nia Saeli A Taitalae", "Snowflakes", and "Empire of the Clouds" fit into the request, and all of them are good.

Somar wrote:
Illusion's play - Snowflakes: it actually starts at 1:58 but give me a break
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl9bou8Lobk

Of course, this song also fits. The time is optional. I think the main idea of the request (besides contrasts of speed/heaviness) is that a soft part should not just be a 'formal' intro but an important part of a song..

Somar wrote:
Idaaliur - Wind of Beauty - as far as intros go this is one of my favorites and the song as a whole is really good also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4n15uZEZIs

Edit: Oh, I've finally found this EP. Both intros and song "Beyond The Unconscious" are great.
I guess some compositions that consist of two separate yet 'ideologically' (musically or lyrically) connected tracks (such as Parabol + Parabola by Tool) could do, too.

Opus wrote:
Samson - Young Idea A fantastic ending to my favourite album of all times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wPwsht83Hw

This song is perfect, exactly what I'm looking for. Beautiful music and vocals ♥


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:27 am 
 

Then you'll like this one too: Blackfoot - Highway Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvEcllMpJLE
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:51 am 
 

Opus wrote:
Then you'll like this one too: Blackfoot - Highway Song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvEcllMpJLE

thanks again, this song also fits perfectly in the request.
It seems I really need to check out some old stuff.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:43 pm 
 

The opening song of In the Woods...'s debut has one hell of a drawn out intro, slowly building up to the actual metal. As epic and beautiful as it gets.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:20 am 
 

DecemberSoul wrote:
The opening song of In the Woods...'s debut has one hell of a drawn out intro, slowly building up to the actual metal. As epic and beautiful as it gets.

Thank you so much for the recommendation, this song is the closest to Dusk's "An Aerial View" I've ever heard.
I love the atmospheric intro/outro and how the vocals and speed/heaviness change; it's an excellent song structure.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:26 pm 
 

Olika wrote:
DecemberSoul wrote:
The opening song of In the Woods...'s debut has one hell of a drawn out intro, slowly building up to the actual metal. As epic and beautiful as it gets.

Thank you so much for the recommendation, this song is the closest to Dusk's "An Aerial View" I've ever heard.
I love the atmospheric intro/outro and how the vocals and speed/heaviness change; it's an excellent song structure.


You're very welcome. Glad someone else appreciates this fantastic music so much. When ITW's debut was released, I had already been eagerly anticipating it, and consequently fell in love with it upon first hearing. It's been pure magic ever since. I consider myself lucky to have been able and discover all that by myself and through only a tiny handful of 'zines (plus dozens of thanks-lists by affiliated bands) during my formative years.
P.S.: What do you think about the intro to Enslaved's "Frost"? It's not structured according to what you initially asked for, but your opinion thereof could be interesting anyway.
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DecemberSoul wrote:
You're very welcome. Glad someone else appreciates this fantastic music so much. When ITW's debut was released, I had already been eagerly anticipating it, and consequently fell in love with it upon first hearing. It's been pure magic ever since. I consider myself lucky to have been able and discover all that by myself and through only a tiny handful of 'zines (plus dozens of thanks-lists by affiliated bands) during my formative years.
P.S.: What do you think about the intro to Enslaved's "Frost"? It's not structured according to what you initially asked for, but your opinion thereof could be interesting anyway.

It's certainly a great luck, I'm glad for you. Also, thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience in this area, because mine aren't very extensive. I've discovered this kind of atmospheric black / atmospheric doom metal (that goes back to the 90's) fairly recently, and just realized how much I've missed.
As for the ''Frost'', it's an amazingly beautiful intro. I can't define this as 'peaceful', however, because there is something disturbing in the atmosphere, but this kind of mood also fits, I like it a lot.
This made me think of some ambient tracks by Blut aus Nord, such as "Rigsthula", and also the intro to this song is about 2.4 minutes long + metal part fits the request quite well: ''Epitome XVI'' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHwuBdaOCY)

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:22 am 
 

Do you listen to more traditional heavy metal at all? I would strongly recommend the Manilla Road tracks "The Empire", "Cage of Mirrors", and "Metal". Cage of Mirrors goes back and forth a bit, the other two build and build.
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Jonpo wrote:
Do you listen to more traditional heavy metal at all? I would strongly recommend the Manilla Road tracks "The Empire", "Cage of Mirrors", and "Metal". Cage of Mirrors goes back and forth a bit, the other two build and build.

Thank you for the recommendations, I saw Manilla Road in the similar request (in the topic that was mentioned above), but "The Books of Skelos" was the only song I've heard by them. "The Empire" and "Metal" are absolutely fantastic songs, and both of them perfectly fit into the request. The song "Cage of Mirrors" is good too, despite the relatively short intro.

As for the answer to the question, I'm open to any rock/metal sub-genre. For some reason, songs with this kind of structure tend to be my all-time favorites, even in some non-rock/metal music.
Generally, I don't listen to traditional heavy metal, I'm more into black/death/doom metal sub-genres. It's mainly because I'm a huge fan of extreme vocals, especially the contrasts between clean singing and scream/growls, so such vocal changes (from clean vocals in the first 'soft' part to extreme in the metal one) would be a big plus.., but it could also take the form of mood/voice tone changes only (from clean & dreamy/melancholic to clean & angry/desperate).
I really like the music and vocals in all those songs by Manilla Road.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:50 pm 
 

So you like Dead by April then?

Just kidding, sorry if I insulted you.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 5:22 pm 
 

Opus wrote:
So you like Dead by April then?

Just kidding, sorry if I insulted you.


Never heard of them. Is their vocal style suitable for this tag?
Heartpiercing screams and bonecrushing growls
If so, then I will give them a try..

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 10:04 pm 
 

There's a couple obvious ones that come to mind:

There's the classic example of Burzum's "Det som engang var". The song opens with a long dreamy synth/guitar passage before the drums kick in and the riffs explode. The best part is that it retains the dreaminess while also transforming into grim and cold black metal.

Candlemass has the long opening of "A sorcerer's pledge" which also tells the background of the character.

And some less known examples:

Ewigkeit's "Back to beyond" has a short-long opening which is very dreamy, It is only about a minute and a half, under your desired length, but the dreaminess is enhanced by the Carl Sagan samples, so I feel it should be enjoyed by you.

I Shalt Become's "Ghosts" and "Leaving Watership Down" both from the "Poison" album have long, dreamy openings filled with both soothing angelic strings and creepy weirdness that go on for quite a while before the riffs and misery guts vocals pick up. The whole album is full of dreamy, melancholy, faux-classical music with the metal parts being weaved in and out throughout unexpectedly.

The Meads of Asphodel's "Sonderkommando" (the song) has a very long intro with a mix of samples, smooth jazz, hints of Jewish folk music, and lounge singing before the metal picks up. The album also has many calm passages between the metal.

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i think metallica's one is the most obvious example

evergrey's when the walls go down is a good one, tho' i don't really care for the band besides that one track
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:43 pm 
 

John_Sunlight, joppek, thanks for the recommendations!

Obvious songs are also welcome, I am particularly thankful for reminding me of Candlemass' "A sorcerer's pledge": it's an amazing song, I love the stunning vocal performance and beautiful opening + atmospheric part in the middle (that begins at 5:45).♥

The song "Det som engang var" is very good too, I like the music and vocals a lot. I've heard about Burzum but never listened to this project before.
The same about I Shalt Become's songs: love the music and vocals, especially in "Leaving Watership Down".
Atmospheric black metal is definitely an appropriate genre for the request.

John_Sunlight wrote:
The Meads of Asphodel's "Sonderkommando" (the song) has a very long intro with a mix of samples, smooth jazz, hints of Jewish folk music, and lounge singing before the metal picks up. The album also has many calm passages between the metal.

In a weird way I find this song very enjoyable :)
Sooo good, can not even describe how much I love the music, clean & harsh vocals (not a big fan of samples at the beginning, though), and general structure of this song; I'll check the rest of the album(s) ASAP.
...

Unfortunately, there are two songs that don't fit:

John_Sunlight wrote:
Ewigkeit's "Back to beyond" has a short-long opening which is very dreamy, It is only about a minute and a half, under your desired length, but the dreaminess is enhanced by the Carl Sagan samples, so I feel it should be enjoyed by you.

Oh, no..
Sorry, that's my bad, forgot to mention that the vocals of this kind (whether records/samples or electro-industrial distortion) kill all the atmosphere/dreaminess and make my ears hurt. Honestly, I can barely tolerate visible vocal changes (processing) at all, even in that "Epitome XVI" song I mentioned above.

joppek wrote:
evergrey's when the walls go down is a good one, tho' i don't really care for the band besides that one track

I understand that "peaceful / dreamy / melancholic" is a very subjective description and it depends of the music/vocal style, not to mention the lyrics.
For example, the first part of Giant Squid's ''Sevengill'' is more depressing than melancholic, but it works perfectly with a huge (both music and vocal) difference between the first ''soft'' part and the second ''heavy'' part of the song.., but I absolutely can't define the first part of ''When the walls go down'' as 'peaceful/melancholic', -- the entire song is the epitome of anxiety and utter despair. The music itself is great, but I can't get into that electro- spoken word / weeping vocal style at all. :'(
...
Well, at least one good thing came out of it. This made me think about some industrial-related albums with clean vocals, and I recalled this song (a perfect example of a non-rock/metal song with the same structure / mood changes):
The Young Gods - La Fille De La Mort (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elE9JvM_XsM)


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Olika wrote:
joppek wrote:
evergrey's when the walls go down is a good one, tho' i don't really care for the band besides that one track

I understand that "peacefull/dreamy/melancholic" is a very subjective description and it depends of the music/vocal style, not to mention the lyrics.
For example, the first part of Giant Squid's ''Sevengill'' is more depressing than melancholic, but it works perfectly with a huge (both music and vocal) difference between the first ''soft'' part and the second ''heavy'' part of the song.., but I absolutely can't define the first part of ''When the walls go down'' as 'peacefull/melancholic', -- the entire song is the epitome of anxiety and utter despair. The music itself is great, but I can't get into that electro- spoken word / weeping vocal style at all. :'(


ah, i was thinking of the slashes as "or"s rather than "and"s and figured it fits the melancholic part - obviously there's nothing peaceful about it :)
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Olika wrote:
The music itself is great, but I can't get into that electro- spoken word / weeping vocal style at all.

Don't miss out on Evergrey due to this. Their other songs have normal vocals, this is some sound clip taken from somewhere.
They are masters of melancholy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-9kAXTpmRg
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This is 100% rock and not really metal at all, but Hurt's Falls Apart is probably my favorite example ever of a soft intro/heavy rest of the song.


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The Banner - I am Legend (Hardcore/Crust)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjl7czZPA3U

Dark Tranquillity - Lethe (Melodeath)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453K_J_4gTI

I, Detest - Chrysanthemum (Tech Deathcore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQVpc8YqzE

Cephalic Carnage - Ontogeny of Behavior (Prog/Death)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aQfUTNuJDQ

Silent Planet - Panic Room (Metalcore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbaFJiWftwk

Destroyer 666 - I am the Wargod (Black/Thrash)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlHH4JFlPyo

Deathspell Omega - Apokatastasis Panton (Instrumental Meloblack)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvmMmwdqkzM

Book of Black Earth - I See Demons (Neocrust)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFYl-kFfEXk

Dyscarnate - Nothing seems Right (Death)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPq-jTPJYY8

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 2:30 pm 
 

joppek wrote:
ah, i was thinking of the slashes as "or"s rather than "and"s and figured it fits the melancholic part - obviously there's nothing peaceful about it :)

It's ok. :)
Sorry, I was trying to describe the request as clear as possible, but I am not a native English speaker, so maybe it does not look correctly.
I'll try to make myself more clear: by 'peaceful' (and it extends to the entire request), I was referring to intros that don't sound:
- angry;
- too gloomy or disturbingly (with the atmosphere of utter depression/despair/fear / or any "prelude to war"- like stuff, -- even if the music generally doesn't sound fast/heavy, it still doesn't work that way).
Sad/melancholic intros fit as well as 'dreamy' or just calm / non-emotional at all.
The problem is that ''When the walls go down'' feels more like 'utter despair' than 'melancholy' (due to the specific weeping vocal style, plus I think the youtube video has also had a large impact on my perception of this song).

Opus wrote:
Don't miss out on Evergrey due to this. Their other songs have normal vocals, this is some sound clip taken from somewhere.
They are masters of melancholy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-9kAXTpmRg

Yes, it's much closer to melancholic mood that I was referring to, I like the music and vocals as well. Thanks for the link. :)

praey wrote:
This is 100% rock and not really metal at all, but Hurt's Falls Apart is probably my favorite example ever of a soft intro/heavy rest of the song.

Thank you for the recommendation, both rock and metal genres are equally welcome, I just could not remember any good example of a rock song that fits the description. :shame:
"Falls Apart" is a great rock song, I like the music and vocals, especially in the soft part.

IamDBR wrote:
The Banner - I am Legend (Hardcore/Crust)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjl7czZPA3U

Dark Tranquillity - Lethe (Melodeath)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=453K_J_4gTI

I, Detest - Chrysanthemum (Tech Deathcore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQVpc8YqzE

Cephalic Carnage - Ontogeny of Behavior (Prog/Death)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aQfUTNuJDQ

Silent Planet - Panic Room (Metalcore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbaFJiWftwk

Destroyer 666 - I am the Wargod (Black/Thrash)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlHH4JFlPyo

Deathspell Omega - Apokatastasis Panton (Instrumental Meloblack)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvmMmwdqkzM

Book of Black Earth - I See Demons (Neocrust)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFYl-kFfEXk

Dyscarnate - Nothing seems Right (Death)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPq-jTPJYY8

Thanks for the recommendations (+ for the links and description), I was not familiar with most of the bands/projects.
Most of the songs fit into the request, I especially like "I Am Legend", "Lethe", ''I See Demons''(especially the heavy part), and "Nothing Seems Right"; not so much enjoy the vocals at the beginning of "Ontogeny Of Behavior", but the heavy part of this song is perfect, exactly what I'm looking for.

The intros in "I Am Legend", "I Am the Wargod", "Apokatastasis Panton", and "Nothing Seems Right" are a bit short, but all the heavy parts are very good, I like the rhythm/speed changes a lot + extreme vocals are great too.

The intro in Silent Planet's "Panic Room" also feels more like 'utter despair' than 'melancholy', but at least there are extreme vocals in the heavy part. Amazing vocal performance, and very impressive lyrics + video.

The only song that does not fit at all is "Chrysanthemum": the music is too fast right from the start, so I didn't feel the real difference between parts, plus the song itself is too short for the request, I guess..

I'm not that interested in -core music discoveries these days but still randomly listen (and enjoy) to some songs, so recommendations of this kind are good too.

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