Their "punk" efforts were weak, awful, insipid garbage. That being said they are still one of the greatest bands to ever happen, and I will still undoubtedly listen to this.

Those albums aren't punk, fuck off!

In fact, there is a new trend since the mid-2000's: metalheads calling "punk" or "rock'n'roll" any type of metal which slightly differs from what they are used to listening

Although I do get the hate for Plaguewielder...ugh.

The era "Total Death --> Sardonic Wrath" is usually not brought up when discussing Darkthrone. It's always either their most influential period (92-95) or their later offerings. The "Total Death --> Sardonic Wrath" era is also very much dominated by Nocturno Culto, whose writing style is very different from Fenriz'.

I don't see why Ravishing Grimness is grouped in as a forgettable album of their "mid-period." There's a lot of great music on that release.

I don't understand why Panzerfaust is overrated either. It was a hybrid mix between Transilvanian and Frostian songs, with a ridiculous and cowardly statement "we are not a nazi band" - in short, a step backwards.

The simplest thing to do when you absolutely don't want to be labelled as NS is to avoid using words like "Aryan", for example Norsk Arisk Black Metal ("Norwegian Aryan Black Metal"). The controversy about the use of the term "Jew" as a slang word was hilarious too. But hey, we don't want to get boycott, do we?

If Darkthrone had balls, they would have made no comments. When you know who and what you are, you don't need to make stupid statements.

I don't understand why Panzerfaust is overrated either. It was a hybrid mix between Transilvanian and Frostian songs, with a ridiculous and cowardly statement "we are not a nazi band" - in short, a step backwards.

Panzerfaust had The Hordes of Nebulah! This song is balls-to-the-walls pure badassery from beginning to end. Darkthrone's best in my opinion. I like the other ones too, but Nocturno Culto's vocals don't do much for me. I like how barbaric they sound, but I wish he had done it like he did on The Hordes of Nebulah on all the songs.

Fenriz also had lyrics on the Isengard song called Total Death, where he sang "...crush the race of God", and on the song Beholding the Throne of Might, the word "Jew" is censored in the booklet.

Maybe they liked controversy. If anything, the original arisk shit was the stupid part, seeing as how they've hardly went on to become some vanguard of nsbm. But knowing Fenriz, it was probably for shits and giggles anyway. Using "jew" or anything racial or the like as an insult hardly means anything either. If it did, I'd be a complete racist misogynist homophobe, and to the best of my knowlege, I'm not.

They certainly wanted to create controversy, yes. Knowing Fenriz? The glory-hound, attention-seeking Fenriz that he is today is hardly the backseat taking, not wanting anything to do with people, giving Nocturno Culto the lead role Fenriz of back in the day.

And using the word "jew" or anything racial as an insult, does mean that you think there is something wrong in being a jew or a member of that particular race or that they are somehow inferior to what you represent.

I'm capable of using insults against any race. Including my own. I win. It doesn't mean a thing. Or at least doesn't necessarily have to.

How would one know if the usage of a racial insult didn't mean anything? Why would one use a specific term, in this case a denominator of ethnicity, as an insult if it didn't mean anything? Why would it have become ingrained in the collective consciousness as an insult in the first place if it didn't mean anything? If such an ingraining has occured, how would one go about to in the usage of a racial slur discern between a "racist" and a "non-racist" usage?

Just call people arseholes, is all what I'm saying.

wow @ the people in this thread who have to bring a purist attitude towards punk, with a band like Darkthrone. There are obvious elements of punk in the new Darkthrone, and also elements of Heavy Metal, especially in Circle The Wagons.

I'm capable of using insults against any race. Including my own. I win. It doesn't mean a thing. Or at least doesn't necessarily have to.

Well, this sounds like it's going to be awesome.

Sounds great to me. Power and doom metal influences combined with Darkthrone's hard-nosed, stripped down approach can't be anything but awesome.

Yes. Should have added some shoegaze / post rock influences too, I suppose.

No offence meant but your post is nonsense. Every word has a particular meaning (according to the context) and since we all use the same language (English here), people are not supposed to guess the meaning of words that you use; dictionaries and common habits define those words. The fact is the use of the word "Jew" has become a racial insult in the common language. For some reason, people with Jewish ancestry don't like to be labelled as "Jews", and this label refers to an "Anti-Semitic" phraseology.