*Grindcore riffs: nope

What are "grinding feelings" apart from something that happens with your girlfriend?

Insect Warfare is grindcore. Carcass' new song is vapid death metal.

Tastes man, only tastes.

Bullshit. Genres are not determined by taste.

In fact, I don't think 'Captive Bolt Pistol' it's vapid death metal.

This is tastes.

Eh, LionsDen, you're going off on a tangent by calling that song grindcore or even Necroticism for that matter (it had few elements at best). And what drone said.

Captive Bolt Pistol uses death'n'roll riffs (which are lame by definition), is structured like standardized mainstream music (intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, interlude(solos, bridges), verse, chorus, outro), yet tries to sound like death metal. As if we didn't already have enough iterations of that kind of commercialized metal.

Unholy fucking shit! Captive Bolt Pistol is awesome! I just Jeff's vocals!

This is a first day buy for me.

Those riffs aren't death'n'roll at all. Those riffs are all over the place on swansong, but definitely not in this song. If anything they sound like heartwork era rip-offs, but I think it's done successfully. And Jeff's vocals really do sound fantastic.

I was just about to listen to the new track but it's no longer available

Still available here:
http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2013/07 ... METAL+BLOG)

and here:
http://skullsnbones.com/listen-to-the-n ... right-now/

Sure, whatever man.

I like the song alright, but I'm wanting to hear more than just one song.

Oh Oh Oh Oh a professor here we have... what an honour!

Go, listen to Necroticism and then shoot less crap.

That was awesome.

Why are you citing Necroticism as "the grind album" when both Reek and Symphonies are both a more proper example? Necroticism is pretty much straight-up death metal. In the end, it doesn't matter, do what you do.

Right, Reek and Symphonies are more grind than Necroticism, but this is grind too.

[IMHO] the new song have a Necroticism/Heartwork vibe, so for me it's grind.

Ok, 2013 Carcass-grind, but grind remain.

Maybe a more technical, overly complicated, and more accurate description of the genre would be modern death metal with grind and melodic death aspects?

Either way, with all due respect to Ken Owen, I think they're really benefitting from their new more skilled drummer.

Wait, what?!

If this is grind, then this is an outright terrible grind song.

No matter what genre is it for you, right?

It will always be a song of shit.

That's another thing, that's about 'like' or 'not like'.

Only tastes.

It's not a grindcore song. Anyone who has ever heard what grindcore sounds like can confirm that.

Stop arguing about whether or not it is grindcore. For the sake of reference, this wouldn't be labeled as grindcore on MA, not even as a secondary/tertiary genre.

Is that all Jeff on vocals? Could have sworn I heard Bill's lower pitch in there. Vocals are certainly better than I expected, anyway. I like how fast the song remains throughout, and the solo section was pretty interesting. Yes, it's got a standard rock song structure, but they've been doing that ever since they kind of perplexed themselves with the riff-salad approach of Necroticism, so I wasn't expecting much change there.

I'm not too crazy about the new track. It's not bad but... I don't know I'm just not feeling it. Too many melodeath-isms.

Yes, Bill is doing some of his vocals again. I remember them saying in a recent interview that Bill was doing some vocals again on the new album.

And I don't necessarily think a standard rock structure is always a bad thing. For grindcore it certainly is, but this song isn't grindcore. I'd say it's just straight up death metal, maybe with some melodic aspects, but otherwise just death metal.

He was a great drummer and really part of their early sound, but their newer one sounds more precise and technical. I think (hope) that with the speed he's capable of, they'll push themselves musically as a result. Or did you say that because you didn't know Owen wasn't with them anymore? He had a cerebral hemorrhage back in the late 90s and spend years recovering.

I hear people saying "just Death Metal, not Grindcore", since when DM is "just" in comparisson to Grind? in my case, I like better DM than Grind, but Carcass can play both, and I hope this album will be a healthy mix.
By the way, this song is NOT Grind (in my book of course)

I see what you're saying, I say that sometimes, but I don't mean it like that. Maybe I should start saying "obviously death metal" instead.

Yea perhaps
On topic, I dig the song, I have a great feeling about this album

Well, strictly speaking, Ken is still more or less present with them. Or at least we was during the last few years. I know all about his condition and all that came with it. I've seen Carcass three times now, so yeah, I'd be a real tool if I thought Ken was still the one playing the drums.

In regards to the comparison you made, and my response to it, I did so because you were comparing water and wine basically. I won't say that Daniel Wilding isn't a great drummer or that he isn't technically proficient. I will say however than he has nothing on Ken Owen at his prime, and I mean that with a relentless conviction. Ken could play just about anything he wanted, like clockwork, and still come out as a drummer with his own sound. He's partially responsible for some of the most legendary extreme records, like them or not, in metal's history. So yeah, pardon my reaction but saying that Wilding is a more skilled drummer comes out as fallacious.

I agree completely here.

Subjectivity is a filter through which see objectivity, not the other way around!

I understand your point and agree in about Owen's legacy, for lack of a better term. My comment was mostly in regards to Wilding being a drummer capable of more speed and technical precision than anything else. I think (hope) with that in mind, he'll add a more aggressive aspect to their music, and hopefully they'll all push themselves more. Or at least faster, lol.

I don't think he's holding them back -- I think the band made a decision to use the tempi that they did. It was probably for either artistic success or commercial success, depending on what you'd or I'd like to think.

Well I say that because I know Owen once said that during the recording of heartwork he used ankleweights for some of the faster double bass patterns. I assumed that was to help him with the speed, although a drummer I am not.

Interesting. I agree with that judgment.

Although there is very "heavy metal" grind, like the first Bolt Thrower, this isn't it.

This is just heavy metal.

It's derived mostly from the noodly parts of Tools of the Trade - Heartwork, with some rugged bear-humping-a-corpse riffing to make it seem more grindy.

If anything, Carcass should have just gone on to do music that they like making. Whatever that is. It's always better to go for what you want instead of what you think you "should" (Priests, $$$, health pamphlets about how drugs are bad) do.

After a second listen it's alright. Jeff's vocals are definitely surprising as how they are still good and ferocious. Riff wise, it does sound like Carcass and it has a nice vibe going on. I thought it was pretty unremarkable at first but it's actually kinda good. I think the production is a bit personality-less though, which is a shame. Still, curious to see how it will end up. I didn't really have any expectations but now I think it has the potential to be good stuff.

I'll say one thing, Bill's guitar tone is incredible. I want to know what amps he's using.

After some days don't listen to the new track, it's still redundant in my head more and more and more...