...Blut und Boden(Blood and Social)

" [Kreator is] Along with Sacred Reich the most overrated thrash metal band ever, hyped more for their left-wing politically tinged lyrics and beliefs.

Don't believe me? Why was Benediction banned for years from Metal Maniacs magazine by its obnoxious leftist former editor Katherine Ludwig based simply on one of the members being anti-abortion, of course Slayer (see "Silent Scream") had no problems having articles and adverts printed being a major label act,[...]

Mille sure hates America except our green dollars of course, Che Guevara wore a rolex and lived in Havana's most luxorious beach front mansion, too...I know the drill well. "

Do you think that there is something like oppression against bands which have "unpopular" beliefs in metal world (like Benediction)?

This is the foolishness of interjecting politics into metal - a bunch of kids acting on knee-jerk reactions about what their music pushes to them without doing the god damn reading.

This is the foolishness of interjecting politics into metal - a bunch of kids acting on knee-jerk reactions about what their music pushes to them without doing the god damn reading.Seriously people, we live in an age in which information is available at the click of a button, but we cant get enough clarity even to define the beginning terms we're going to argue from? Seriously, if you're conception of politics is able to be influenced by music you are either very young or very stupid. Falling for style over substance. This is why books are not albums, and if you let yourself be influenced by aesthetics rather than carefully laid out reasoned arguments you are a fucking idiot, or at best young and not able to separate the 2 with clarity. It's the blind leading the blind - delittantes on both side of the fence choosing elements that seem the most striking and fitting with the metal aesthetic to make good songs (being artists and all). Nothing wrong with that - but if I want my teeth fixed, I go to a dentist, not a guy who wrote a song about pagan dentistry. If my heating breaks down, I go to someone who's speciality that is, not a guy who plays guitar and wrote a song about kvlt heater repair as a path to the elder gods.

I think you mean Blood and Soil (homeland).

....and I thought metal was freedom and hence its libertarian?

You thought wrong.

Some metal might be libertarian but there's no way you can equate the genre with any single type of shitty political philosophy, libertarianism included.

At an elementary level all the genres of heavy metal reeks of individualism, its about doing your own quirky thing,

its hard to imagine a credible metal band which appeals to a large population. The closer a band gets to a democratic acceptance further it goes from the core of this music

The tenets of classical liberalism are indeed based on the philosophies of Individualism!

I don't really want to enter the debate, I have my firm conviction on this topic, but I'd like to assert one thing: extreme metal is the only music subgenre in which nationalism, national-socialism and racialism are tolerated. This tolerance has led these ideologies to become predominant in the whole extreme metal scene, because they always tend to dominate when they are allowed to be expressed.

Shortly:
Racialism is the politically correct word for racism.
And anti-christianity in metal has racial roots: it's a reject of a foreign religion (as opposed to ancestral paganism, or derivative satanism).

Most genres of heavy metal are made up primarily of bands trying to do what the others are doing.


Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, etc., appeal to a fairly 'large population,' without departing too far from the core of heavy metal. Some obscure bands may be quirky and such, many are just obscure because they aren't really differentiable from anything else; conversely, Devin Townsend is relatively popular by metal standards, but probably more quirky than most obscure bands I've gone through.


The tenets of lots of belief systems are 'based on the philosophies of individualism,' quite apart from the fact that the latter doesn't necessarily have a highly definite referent either.

i like how just because one person said "the argument is over" actually mean it's over. i'm with kfd. racialism is a politically correct term for racism. and since the former wants to play this game, fine. NOW IT'S OVER. what an asshole.

Den Norrøne Rase må Slakte den andre
Nar blåmenn dunker for tungt pa var dør

Which can roughly translates in English as:

The Norse race must slaughter the other
When Negroes [niggers?] pound too heavily on our door

Their early stuff is good. Still they are an overrated band. The reason they have some left wing lyrics must be because they feel so guilty about the holocaust.
Yes, overrated band.
Saying abortion is left or right is flawed. The far-right oppose abortion if it is an individual they want to live but they support abortion for people they consider undesirable. Katherine Ludwig is probably some kind of femanists. Cente-right to right wing individuals oppose abortion because they believe in responsibility. The left tend to be feminists and they think irresponsible women should be allowed to abort their children(Which I don't have a problem with, I don't care). I am not sure if I have heard their music its unfortunate Benediction got banned just because Metal Maniacs thankfully former editor is a feminist extremist.

It depends on the subgenre.
I once read Atrophy lyrics. I felt like vomiting. Anti-war does not make one left wing. Pat Buchanan and paleoconservatism anti-war and hes pretty right wing. I think you are confusing anti-war with pacifism. Environmentalism is not necessary left wing. Its only neoconservatives and greedy big businessmen extremists that hate the environment. The German National Socialists were very pro-environment Blut und Boden(Blood and Social) for example, but you consider NS left wing. If someone is far-right generally they are fine with aborting people they consider inferior so an opinion on abortion does not make one left or right wing. I do not listen to any bands with whiney leftist lyrics. Personally I think left wing politics are politics for the weak. The left always seek "social justice" for the less successful people in a society and try to make people "equal".
I have never got into Iced Earth and At War does not look that good. Still Iced Earth is on my list of bands to get into. I see Christian metal as a joke. It is like white power reggae, National Socialist kletzmer or satanic gospel music. Christian=/=right wing. Very religious Christians are usually right wing on social issues but they are very egalitarian. I unfortunately went to a Christian school and I was told everyone was equal. I love many NSBM bands though generally I prefer Satanic bands. Pagan bands can be called nationalist. They are usually not NS but they are nationalist. Their nationalism is more moderate but they sing about their heritage and ancient gods. That is nationalism. It think pride in ones heritage is very metal. RAC is generally quite shitty but a few bands are fun.
I do not listen to much thrash. Ideology/lyrics in metal are very important to me though I listen to many bands without ideology in music. Political music be it left or right wing is generally quite crap. I like Pagan and Satanic ideology/lyrics. I like nationalism as long as the nationalism is connected to Paganism.

According to the Norwegian Wikipedia page the word "blåmann" comes from the Norse word "blámaðr", and it means "blue man". Blue could also refer to a color black. The word was used in Medieval songs/poems/stories to refer to North Africans, black people and Moors.

I don't think the word was originally hateful, but there's no doubt Fenriz meant it hateful. However, it doesn't have to be black people, it can also be North African (and probably Middle Eastern) people. But considering the Vikings can't have had much contact with black people I assume it mostly meant Arabs/Moors. I don't know what Fenriz referred to, but it was probably not just black people (hence "negro" and "nigger" is not a good translation). Most likely he meant immigrants, and therefor Africans and Muslims in general, including Asian Non-Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants like Pakistani people.

Thank you for the information.
Basically it reads like a racist slur addressed to coloured people.

You are entitled to believe what ever you like. Debates don't work like that though, unless you can provide reasonable arguments, there's nothing to argue. Different terms hold different meanings depending on surroundings and circumstances. To my understanding radicalism means a quasi-scientific form of racist ideology (e.g. the "study" of different traits of races). Contemporary political discussion may have its use for the word, but I'd hesitate to call it the primary, let alone original use of the world.

I think that as a general rule power metal is basically libertarian in nature because a great component of it is escapism and freedom. But of course I'm going to think that, because I'm a libertarian. Still, the number of power metal bands that sing about a sort of (seemly generic) 'freedom' that must be fought for is something I'd love to point to as evidence for that claim, except I'm not so sure. I mean, nobody's against freedom, right? At least in a prima facie sense. In fact, even if they don't say so specifically in the lyrics, quite a lot of (at least power) metal is set in a different time or a different world - so when they talk of 'freedom', they might mean an end to a certain king's tyranny and the imposition of a new, less tyrannical regime, but a regime nonetheless. In so far as they actually talk about politics, metal bands are all across the spectrum, but I'd like to think there's a fundamentally libertarian idea at least in most bands' lyrics anyway because it gives me a more enjoyable reading of the lyrics and can get me involved and emotional in a political sense as well as in a generic 'this music is cool' sense.

According to the Norwegian Wikipedia page the word "blåmann" comes from the Norse word "blámaðr", and it means "blue man". Blue could also refer to a color black. The word was used in Medieval songs/poems/stories to refer to North Africans, black people and Moors.

I don't think the word was originally hateful, but there's no doubt Fenriz meant it hateful. However, it doesn't have to be black people, it can also be North African (and probably Middle Eastern) people. But considering the Vikings can't have had much contact with black people I assume it mostly meant Arabs/Moors. I don't know what Fenriz referred to, but it was probably not just black people (hence "negro" and "nigger" is not a good translation). Most likely he meant immigrants, and therefor Africans and Muslims in general, including Asian Non-Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants like Pakistani people.

Well, this thread is a bit of a clusterfuck. I'll make some allowances because this is a music forum not one for politics, but some of the comments here are hilariously naive.

firstly, what are our terms? If we say "right wing" or "fascism", are we talking Mussolini? Hitler? Rohm? Strasser? The Iron Guard? Peron? ...or are we talking about Bush? Or Reagan? they obviously differ, so how do you define the differences?

similarly, if we discuss "Leftists" as if they are some monolithic entity, are we talking about Trotskiists? stalinists? Maoists? Anarchists? Liberals? social Democrats? Are they the same?

This is the foolishness of interjecting politics into metal - a bunch of kids acting on knee-jerk reactions about what their music pushes to them without doing the god damn reading.Seriously people, we live in an age in which information is available at the click of a button, but we cant get enough clarity even to define the beginning terms we're going to argue from?

This is just a song about vikings. Dont over analyze it. Actually he was protesting against aphartheid when he was younger.

I think that classical conservatism (in the vein of Burke) is harder to come by. Interestingly enough it is the genre most critical of religion (black metal) that spawned the most amount of conservative bands. This is of course an oxymoron if we are to judge it from a political perspective. Conservatism has very close ties to traditional religion historically.