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TheConqueror1
With a 120kbps bitrate!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:10 pm 
 

Should raw, lo-fi black metal albums be played at a lower bitrate? What are your thoughts on this topic? To be specific, I'm talking about a bitrate lower than 128 kbps. Something like 96 to 112 kbps.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:23 pm 
 

No. Why the fuck would you want to do that?
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Cat III
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:24 pm 
 

No need to make it sound even tinnier. If the recording is already lo-fi, why go out of your way to make it sound more so? Of course, you don't need to bother getting FLAAC files, though the thought of a raw BM audiophile is amusing.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:34 pm 
 

no. hell no. fuck no. there's a difference between tape hiss (or lack of mastering, et al) and chunky ass sonically-pixelated bullshit. this is basically a meme on bm youtube channels. they're kidding, my guy. you ain't actually supposed to do this.
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TheConqueror1
With a 120kbps bitrate!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:44 pm 
 

Wilytank wrote:
No. Why the fuck would you want to do that?


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TheConqueror1
With a 120kbps bitrate!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:01 am 
 

I just now remembered listening to Evil (Bra) and it was the WORST album I've ever heard in my life. I think it was called Revenge of Iron and Thunder. The quality had to have been around 48 kbps. I mean it was fucking horrible. I suppose I asked a dumb question about listening to files at a lower bitrate considering that the quality is already lo-fi.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:24 am 
 

Should expressionist art be viewed through blurry glasses?

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maladie
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:15 am 
 

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Should expressionist art be viewed through blurry glasses?

No, but they should be viewed after a few glasses of fine wine!

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BasqueStorm
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:53 am 
 

TheConqueror1 wrote:
Should raw, lo-fi black metal albums be played at a lower bitrate? What are your thoughts on this topic? To be specific, I'm talking about a bitrate lower than 128 kbps. Something like 96 to 112 kbps.

It should be overproduced and then overcompressed to low bitrate Mp3, yeah. :roll:

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Gunslinger21
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:49 am 
 

Mate, if you're not playing your BM in 8-bit then you are just a fucking poser. Sorry.

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DecemberSoul
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:52 am 
 

Yeah sure, that is just as mandatory and non-negotiable as using broken cords only. Also, don't forget to piss into your amp, douse your albums in gasoline and ram an axe through your speakers for maximum effect.
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blackmantram
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:58 am 
 

TheConqueror1 wrote:
I just now remembered listening to Evil (Bra) and it was the WORST album I've ever heard in my life. I think it was called Revenge of Iron and Thunder. The quality had to have been around 48 kbps. I mean it was fucking horrible. I suppose I asked a dumb question about listening to files at a lower bitrate considering that the quality is already lo-fi.


No, that's not how bitrates work. There's a big and obvious difference between file compression and recording quality.

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pale_horse
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:19 am 
 

It should ideally be heard in the way the artist intended.
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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:32 pm 
 

It might be that you don't quite understand how this works.
By "bit rate", it sounds like you are talking about compression applied afterwards for storage purposes (or whatever), and not actual recording sample rate or anything like that, which of course, you, the listener, have absolutely no control over.
A low bit rate means a small number of samples of data per second. That means you are taking a recording and stripping off parts of it that are deemed "unnecessary" by the encoder. it's not the same as having shitty speakers or something.
This link might help to explain.
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-low-bit- ... ound-tinny
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pale_horse
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:46 am 
 

That’s what I was thinking, that he doesn’t realize that even if it was a shitty recording that ripping it in a low rate will still modify how it sounds.
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Lord_Jotun
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:27 am 
 

No, dear lord Satan in hell, NO.
As others have pointed out, there is a pachidermic difference between raw, minimal and rough recordings and outright shitty sampling. This is even worse than bands recording with state-of-the-art equipment in professional studios and then try to masquerade it as "raw" by fucking up the eq levels and so on.
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Oxenkiller
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:36 pm 
 

Stupid question.
The answer is, no. I don't see any valid reason for ANYTHING to be played at a lower bitrate.

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Caspian88
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:22 pm 
 

The only audio I have found worth highly compressing are spoken word recordings (basically books on tape). I don't need high fidelity when I'm just listening to someone speak, and considering the sheer size of some books (Dune clocks in at 256 MB, even at 32kbps; The Lord of the Rings reaches 554 MB at only 24 kbps), reducing the file size by compressing the files is worth quite a bit more than having excellent audio quality. Even at those bit rates, the quality of the recording is still better than a typical AM broadcast, in my experience (even before you consider loss of signal effects).

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emperorjvl
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:52 pm 
 

Ah, the type of thread that should have been locked as soon as posted, lol. smh

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Zodijackyl
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:56 pm 
 

Oops, I forgot to lock this after bestowing a hard-earned title upon the OP.
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