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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:30 am 
 

Shadow_of_a_Storm wrote:
thesilentenigma wrote:
What hosting are you using for your photos? None show up for me for whatever reason.


Can you see them now?


Nope, but I used the link to view the Sagas photos. Looks fine, likely just a matrix that hasn't been added to Discogs.
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Shadow_of_a_Storm
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:32 am 
 

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Nope, but I used the link to view the Sagas photos. Looks fine, likely just a matrix that hasn't been added to Discogs.


Okay, thanks for your help

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aetilla
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:36 pm 
 

Shadow_of_a_Storm wrote:
Here is another CD I'm worried might be a bootleg. "Sagas" by Equilibrium.

Some pics:

https://imageshack.com/a/K3Uo/1

Reasons why I believe it's a bootleg:

1. The artwork on the disc looks somewhat faded
2. The Matrix/Runout code on my disc is different from both the one listed on here as well as the one on Discogs.

Here are the identifiers for my disc:

Barcode: 7 27361 18212 0
Labelcode: LC07027
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR76
Mould SID Code: IFPI UGAA
Matrix Code: CAP00207 NB1821-2DLT 04 Technicolor
Catalogue number: NB 1821-2
Rights Society: GEMA

Thanks!

Hey man, based on the matrix and presence of both SID codes I'd say this is definitely a legit issue. Could be the disc print is a little faded by time/storage, but I'd say there's no reason to question this one. :) Generally if you find a mould SID code it's a good sign that your CD is official.

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HOT_DOG_DAY_89
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:02 pm 
 

How legit could this be? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pantera-Power- ... SwjXRXaYrL

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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:42 am 
 

HOT_DOG_DAY_89 wrote:


It's not, 100% fake.
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HOT_DOG_DAY_89
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:29 am 
 

But how did you come to that conclusion?

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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:42 am 
 

HOT_DOG_DAY_89 wrote:
But how did you come to that conclusion?


The matrix is what makes me 100% sure it's fake. Your other identifiers if you're not familiar with disc matrix identification would be this guys country, which is known for selling bootlegs. Add the fact that he has multiple copies for sale, this is a very rare disc that you're not gonna find many around let alone someone with multiple copies. You can expect to pay upward toward $100 if not more for an original of this release.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:03 am 
 

Makes sense.

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BreedingtheSpawn
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:01 pm 
 

I have a copy of Overkill Taking Over on CD the matrix runout is 3 81735-2 SRC#2 M1S4. I am thinking this CD may be a bootleg?

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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:44 pm 
 

Matrix photos?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:05 pm 
 

Here's another album I am worried might be a bootleg: Hel - Tristheim

Pics:

https://imageshack.com/a/aPko/1


Identifiers for my copy:

Catalog: GER 012
Barcode: 4 260037 847344
Matrix/Runout: ZIS-070308001


Reasons why I think it's not authentic:

1. Disc does not have Mould SID code or Mastering SID Code.
2. Both Metallum and Discogs list the catalog number as GER 013 (mine says GER 012). It is very hard to find information about this album, but the only site I found that lists the code as GER 012 is this one: https://musicbrainz.org/release/674ecc21-856d-4a42-99fe-b06be5cef8ce

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:03 am 
 

I have two older Hel's but not that one so I can only take a stab at this. I can tell you I have multiple discs with a similar matrix layout that aren't bootlegs. Also, there's another disc with GER 13 (Angantyr) on Discogs, so odds are the information regarding Hel is incorrect. I've seen lots of incorrect information on Discogs in the past, Discogs doesn't want anyone uploading any information to the database unless they physically have the album in front of them but that doesn't stop people. Here's more proof the Angantyr is GER 13:

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Shadow_of_a_Storm
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:26 am 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
I have two older Hel's but not that one so I can only take a stab at this. I can tell you I have multiple discs with a similar matrix layout that aren't bootlegs. Also, there's another disc with GER 13 (Angantyr) on Discogs, so odds are the information regarding Hel is incorrect. I've seen lots of incorrect information on Discogs in the past, Discogs doesn't want anyone uploading any information to the database unless they physically have the album in front of them but that doesn't stop people. Here's more proof the Angantyr is GER 13:

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Do the discs have SID codes? Because mine doesn't.

I think you're probably right though about the numbers being incorrect.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:43 pm 
 

I looked at my two Hels, GER04 and GER05. GER04 does not have codes and GER05 does. I got GER04 directly from the label and GER05 came from a trade.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:18 pm 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
I looked at my two Hels, GER04 and GER05. GER04 does not have codes and GER05 does. I got GER04 directly from the label and GER05 came from a trade.


Hmm, well I just ordered myself a copy of Falland Vörandi. We shall see... :???:
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:42 pm 
 

Excellent, to my knowledge that album was never repressed by the label.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:55 pm 
 

Hey guys, never posted here before but this seems like the best place to ask this question.

What's the consensus on CDs licensed to Soyuz in Russia? I just discovered that the Soyuz pressing of Katatonia's The Fall of Hearts has the bonus track Sistere, which otherwise was only available with the very expensive limited edition artbook. The Discogs page for it mentions that it includes a full 24-page booklet, but doesn't have any pictures to show what it looks like. Does the audio and packaging quality generally seem to be okay with releases licensed to this label?

I do have the regular Peaceville digipak edition of the album, but I was thinking of selling it if the Soyuz pressing is of similar quality.

Unrelated, I just noticed PuddleMonkey has posted here. If you're the same one from Discogs, I've bought from you a few times. You're a top-notch seller.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:49 pm 
 

Hellscythe wrote:

Unrelated, I just noticed PuddleMonkey has posted here. If you're the same one from Discogs, I've bought from you a few times. You're a top-notch seller.



I appreciate the kind words. I myself have had only a few Soyuz releases, pretty standard Russian materials quality and the sound was perfectly fine. Someone else here may be able to shed light on that exact Katatonia pressing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:41 pm 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
Hellscythe wrote:

Unrelated, I just noticed PuddleMonkey has posted here. If you're the same one from Discogs, I've bought from you a few times. You're a top-notch seller.



I appreciate the kind words. I myself have had only a few Soyuz releases, pretty standard Russian materials quality and the sound was perfectly fine. Someone else here may be able to shed light on that exact Katatonia pressing.


Thanks for responding. The only Russian pressings I have for reference are a set of CD-Maximum Catamenia CDs I bought from Possession Productions and those seem to be of acceptable quality. Definitely if anyone has any insight on that specific Katatonia CD, it would be really appreciated.

I am starting to feel like it's worth it just for the bonus tracks, though, and I can always keep my Peaceville copy if the material quality doesn't live up.

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