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thesilentenigma
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:30 am 
 

Shadow_of_a_Storm wrote:
thesilentenigma wrote:
What hosting are you using for your photos? None show up for me for whatever reason.


Can you see them now?


Nope, but I used the link to view the Sagas photos. Looks fine, likely just a matrix that hasn't been added to Discogs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:32 am 
 

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Nope, but I used the link to view the Sagas photos. Looks fine, likely just a matrix that hasn't been added to Discogs.


Okay, thanks for your help

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:36 pm 
 

Shadow_of_a_Storm wrote:
Here is another CD I'm worried might be a bootleg. "Sagas" by Equilibrium.

Some pics:

https://imageshack.com/a/K3Uo/1

Reasons why I believe it's a bootleg:

1. The artwork on the disc looks somewhat faded
2. The Matrix/Runout code on my disc is different from both the one listed on here as well as the one on Discogs.

Here are the identifiers for my disc:

Barcode: 7 27361 18212 0
Labelcode: LC07027
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR76
Mould SID Code: IFPI UGAA
Matrix Code: CAP00207 NB1821-2DLT 04 Technicolor
Catalogue number: NB 1821-2
Rights Society: GEMA

Thanks!

Hey man, based on the matrix and presence of both SID codes I'd say this is definitely a legit issue. Could be the disc print is a little faded by time/storage, but I'd say there's no reason to question this one. :) Generally if you find a mould SID code it's a good sign that your CD is official.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:02 pm 
 

How legit could this be? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pantera-Power- ... SwjXRXaYrL

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:42 am 
 

HOT_DOG_DAY_89 wrote:


It's not, 100% fake.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:29 am 
 

But how did you come to that conclusion?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:42 am 
 

HOT_DOG_DAY_89 wrote:
But how did you come to that conclusion?


The matrix is what makes me 100% sure it's fake. Your other identifiers if you're not familiar with disc matrix identification would be this guys country, which is known for selling bootlegs. Add the fact that he has multiple copies for sale, this is a very rare disc that you're not gonna find many around let alone someone with multiple copies. You can expect to pay upward toward $100 if not more for an original of this release.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:03 am 
 

Makes sense.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:01 pm 
 

I have a copy of Overkill Taking Over on CD the matrix runout is 3 81735-2 SRC#2 M1S4. I am thinking this CD may be a bootleg?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:44 pm 
 

Matrix photos?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:05 pm 
 

Here's another album I am worried might be a bootleg: Hel - Tristheim

Pics:

https://imageshack.com/a/aPko/1


Identifiers for my copy:

Catalog: GER 012
Barcode: 4 260037 847344
Matrix/Runout: ZIS-070308001


Reasons why I think it's not authentic:

1. Disc does not have Mould SID code or Mastering SID Code.
2. Both Metallum and Discogs list the catalog number as GER 013 (mine says GER 012). It is very hard to find information about this album, but the only site I found that lists the code as GER 012 is this one: https://musicbrainz.org/release/674ecc21-856d-4a42-99fe-b06be5cef8ce

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:03 am 
 

I have two older Hel's but not that one so I can only take a stab at this. I can tell you I have multiple discs with a similar matrix layout that aren't bootlegs. Also, there's another disc with GER 13 (Angantyr) on Discogs, so odds are the information regarding Hel is incorrect. I've seen lots of incorrect information on Discogs in the past, Discogs doesn't want anyone uploading any information to the database unless they physically have the album in front of them but that doesn't stop people. Here's more proof the Angantyr is GER 13:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:26 am 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
I have two older Hel's but not that one so I can only take a stab at this. I can tell you I have multiple discs with a similar matrix layout that aren't bootlegs. Also, there's another disc with GER 13 (Angantyr) on Discogs, so odds are the information regarding Hel is incorrect. I've seen lots of incorrect information on Discogs in the past, Discogs doesn't want anyone uploading any information to the database unless they physically have the album in front of them but that doesn't stop people. Here's more proof the Angantyr is GER 13:

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Do the discs have SID codes? Because mine doesn't.

I think you're probably right though about the numbers being incorrect.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:43 pm 
 

I looked at my two Hels, GER04 and GER05. GER04 does not have codes and GER05 does. I got GER04 directly from the label and GER05 came from a trade.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:18 pm 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
I looked at my two Hels, GER04 and GER05. GER04 does not have codes and GER05 does. I got GER04 directly from the label and GER05 came from a trade.


Hmm, well I just ordered myself a copy of Falland Vörandi. We shall see... :???:
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:42 pm 
 

Excellent, to my knowledge that album was never repressed by the label.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:55 pm 
 

Hey guys, never posted here before but this seems like the best place to ask this question.

What's the consensus on CDs licensed to Soyuz in Russia? I just discovered that the Soyuz pressing of Katatonia's The Fall of Hearts has the bonus track Sistere, which otherwise was only available with the very expensive limited edition artbook. The Discogs page for it mentions that it includes a full 24-page booklet, but doesn't have any pictures to show what it looks like. Does the audio and packaging quality generally seem to be okay with releases licensed to this label?

I do have the regular Peaceville digipak edition of the album, but I was thinking of selling it if the Soyuz pressing is of similar quality.

Unrelated, I just noticed PuddleMonkey has posted here. If you're the same one from Discogs, I've bought from you a few times. You're a top-notch seller.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:49 pm 
 

Hellscythe wrote:

Unrelated, I just noticed PuddleMonkey has posted here. If you're the same one from Discogs, I've bought from you a few times. You're a top-notch seller.



I appreciate the kind words. I myself have had only a few Soyuz releases, pretty standard Russian materials quality and the sound was perfectly fine. Someone else here may be able to shed light on that exact Katatonia pressing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:41 pm 
 

thesilentenigma wrote:
Hellscythe wrote:

Unrelated, I just noticed PuddleMonkey has posted here. If you're the same one from Discogs, I've bought from you a few times. You're a top-notch seller.



I appreciate the kind words. I myself have had only a few Soyuz releases, pretty standard Russian materials quality and the sound was perfectly fine. Someone else here may be able to shed light on that exact Katatonia pressing.


Thanks for responding. The only Russian pressings I have for reference are a set of CD-Maximum Catamenia CDs I bought from Possession Productions and those seem to be of acceptable quality. Definitely if anyone has any insight on that specific Katatonia CD, it would be really appreciated.

I am starting to feel like it's worth it just for the bonus tracks, though, and I can always keep my Peaceville copy if the material quality doesn't live up.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:32 pm 
 

When I have more time I will be posting photos of Obscenity "Suffocated Truth" bootleg vs original. Be very careful with this one, there's multiple people on Discogs and Ebay currently trying to sell the bootleg as a $200-$400 original. I've called one person from Poland out, plan on exposing more. Of course it's possible some people don't know they are selling a boot, but when it's explained to them and they ignore the information/proof they become a scammer in my book.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:49 pm 
 

well that Obscenity is really one of the best made bootlegs ever. They even managed to copy the font of the original matrix. I think one point that differs is the placement of the matrix number. The original has is placed a little towards the outer part of the ring and the bootleg has it in the middle
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:50 am 
 

So, this week I've received six CDs from a Discogs seller in Singapore, and things don't quite add up. Four of them have what are supposed to be the Japanese-only bonus tracks according to all the entries for them I've seen, yet the labels and packaging (besides listing the tracks) all seem to be that of the regular European releases.

The two Skylark ones I have from this seller have much simpler matrices than the other two Skylark releases that I own, while supposedly being printed by the same label, and are more similar to these others that I bought from this seller. However, they're (nearly) all Italian bands and all on similar labels, so as far as I know, that could be a reasonable coincidence.

The materials all seem pretty solid, though the booklets all feel surprisingly similar, though not all identical (though that could also be a reasonable coincidence).

Here's some photos of the matrixes and rear covers of the four with the (supposedly Japanese) bonus tracks, if anyone can help out (and sorry for the possible poor quality, my camera and room lighting is awful lol).
https://imgur.com/a/w3iGlcI

I can supply more pictures and info if needed too, of course.

Thanks very much.

Edit: Taking a more patient look through Discogs, there's an "unofficial" entry that matches the DGM album I have at least. Given the similarity and peculiarity of all but one of the others, I feel as though they're probably also unfortunately unofficial.
Would still appreciate a second opinion of course, but if that's the case, how might one recommend approaching the seller about this, if there aren't preexisting Discogs entries to point to as unofficial for the rest of these versions? I will however make entries for these.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:49 pm 
 

I don't think I have any of those to compare, I don't do a lot of power metal. They do look suspect though. Maybe someone who owns them can take a look of the photos.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:58 pm 
 

Asti78 wrote:
well that Obscenity is really one of the best made bootlegs ever. They even managed to copy the font of the original matrix. I think one point that differs is the placement of the matrix number. The original has is placed a little towards the outer part of the ring and the bootleg has it in the middle


It's a good copy for sure, but there's an easier way to spot an original. I'd have photos taken already if I wasn't so busy filing claims and making returns. I have purchased three Morbid Saint "Spectrum..." cds the last two weeks on Discogs. First one shows up, bootleg. I show the seller how and why it's a boot and make a return, they don't fight it and they re-list as original upon receiving the return. Second one shows up from Japan, alleged to be a factory sealed original I paid a premium for. I asked questions regarding bootlegs, he tells me (sounding offended I'd ask), "bootlegs aren't a part of Japans culture". So of course, item arrives today, it's a re-seal job not a factory seal and inside is a bootleg. Discogs is plagued with liars and cheats, it's sad. We'll see what #3 turns out to be, should be here next week.

Edit: I'd like to add, I'm not spending $7-$12 on the blatantly obvious boots being sold on Discogs and complaining about it. I'm putting down $70-$100+ for what's said to be proper press originals and I keep getting bootlegs from these clowns.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:58 pm 
 

Sorry I suck at mspaint guys. Your Obscenity original can be identified by the stacking ring. The original disc on the right has a substantial stacking ring in the middle, the bootleg on the left does not. There's other differences in the disc, booklet and tray card but those are tough to tell unless you have both versions in front of you.

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Didn't realize editing text in on one side of the photo would screw the quality up so bad.
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Another shot, bootleg on the left, original right.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:42 pm 
 

I've added these suspicious CDs to Discogs now, if anyone knows enough to take a look, or just for the record:

https://www.discogs.com/Arwen-Illusions ... e/12448220
https://www.discogs.com/Highlord-Medusa ... e/12447996
https://www.discogs.com/Skylark-Divine- ... e/12447457
https://www.discogs.com/Skylark-Dragons ... e/12448264
Plus I've added a photo of the inner CD ring to the DGM release for easier reference and comparison:
https://www.discogs.com/DGM-Different-S ... e/10774389

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There’s a fellow on Discogs selling Die Festung from Paysage d’Hiver on cassette, but claims it didn’t come with the sticker on the cassette like all the other albums released on cassette did. I have talked to two other people and have heard from one of them that they didn’t come stickered and he owns a copy like that, and another saying they did come with stickers but he doesn’t own a copy.

Could anyone help me establish why there’s a dichotomy here? Possibly some came with stickers on the tape and others didn’t? Or maybe a large influx of bootlegs in the market?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:05 pm 
 

Guys is this the legit issue of Coven "Blessed Is The Black"? I am thinking that it is - the matrix seems fine and I know only of one bootleg of that release and it has the album title as the matrix.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:35 am 
 

Yeah, you're good. There was two pressings of that Coven release, one with SID codes and one without.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:46 am 
 

Great to hear because I hunted that album down for the longest time. Great record and not so cheap to get.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:59 am 
 

I think these are all legitimate?

Cain's Offering - Stormcrow:
https://i.imgur.com/78JSRJf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PcahLOi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wfTReZl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RJEPSrV.jpg

Shaman - Ritual:
https://i.imgur.com/JMsBemj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kyxFLXF.jpg

Savatage - Hall of the Mountain King:
https://i.imgur.com/4dz12MM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XYqkD0Z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kBNgyeG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BDtq763.jpg

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:45 pm 
 

Shardnax wrote:


Yes they are.
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Thanks.

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I was wondering if someone could help me identify this version of Morbid Angel's Abominations of Desolation. I bought it recently with 15 other tapes - all originals, but not sure about this one. It's xeroxed, no lyrics, and the layout doesn't match any of the versions listed on Discogs.

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