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Author: | dreadmeat [ Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
Jiikky wrote: I just found out that the seller hasn't been removed from amazon, only his products are gone. Should I still send these CDs back to him? when i got sold fake counterfeit cds and returned them in good faith for a refund guess what happened? correct, the seller claimed they didn't arrive, i had to take him to court to get my money back even though i sent them via tracked courier [this is domestic] |
Author: | BreedingtheSpawn [ Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
That is why on Amazon I am cautious of where I buy CDs from. I have contacted many sellers on their before and asked for the barcode on the back to clarify on discogs, they come up with the excuse I don't have the product on hand so I don't know what it is. |
Author: | juicebitch [ Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
StratGuy888 wrote: orionmetalhead wrote: Not true. Audio will always be able to be copied. It's as simple as playing a cd into a recording program and then using that as your source. There is no way to prevent people from bootlegging. All you can do is protect yourself by being extremely careful when buying and exposing the bootleg scum when you discover them out. Wrong. Anything's possible given enough time and money..... Dude, did you even read what orion wrote? |
Author: | BreedingtheSpawn [ Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
This seller right here: saturn_cd on Ebay seems be selling Russian bootlegs. CD's made by Mazzar LLC. |
Author: | emperor_zola [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
bootlegs... I can tell you all night about this topic. Azintex music is the worst. He's selling on discogs, ebay, amazon, everywhere. There are others on ebay (mostly from ex-soviet countries, like ukraine or belarus etc). Luckily-luckily also sells fake shit (the latest victim is the 2on1 Assassin JapCD: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123 ) They bootlegged almost every rare thrash and death metal album, like it was mentioned before (atom-h, noise, drowned/thrash records releases etc), and they are quasi identical to the original pressings. Only the quality of the paper and printing will help you to judge over it. The booklet is always on thin paper, smells from ink, no signs of use, no scratches on the disc, the logos on the disc are usually blurry or rastered... shitty quality imitations. Like this Dark Angel logo on the jap' press of their Darkness Descends : http://n1.vatera.hu/photos/ce/bd/5106_4_big.jpg As a reference for bootlegs, check the azintex page on discogs anyime: http://www.discogs.com/seller/azintex-m ... yle=Thrash I bought some bootlegs myself recently, like Exumer, Protector, Coroner etc etc... the matrix are consists the same characters, but the font type is different. See my bootleg pyracanda: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-P2-2ZYdCOz0/T ... matrix.jpg Also in some of the cases, the original disc has different type of those shiny silver rings, and the bootlegs has not. But not always easy to spot the difference. And the bootleg sellers are sharing low-res photos or trying to cheat you with other tricks, so basically you'll be able to tell you are screwed when the CD is in your hands. Sometimes the colors are not matching, like brown printing on the disc instead of black (Grinder CDs), sometimes one single letter typo error in the outer ring notes of the disc (Target CD's proibited instead of prohibited), the list would be too long now.... Check this page and you'll have nightmares: http://www.metal-treasures.com/2011/04/bootleg-pictures.html |
Author: | dreadmeat [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
http://www.metal-treasures.com/2011/04/bootleg-pictures.html horrifying stuff, bootleggers need stringing up i don't own this, but the top one is the fake, the font is wrong, correct? emperor_zola wrote: See my bootleg pyracanda:
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Author: | emperor_zola [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
dreadmeat wrote: http://www.metal-treasures.com/2011/04/bootleg-pictures.html horrifying stuff, bootleggers need stringing up i don't own this, but the top one is the fake, the font is wrong, correct? emperor_zola wrote: See my bootleg pyracanda:
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Yes, the top one is the bootleg... but if you asking for the matrix to make sure that it's not just the album title or whatever, you'll have a big bad surprise. |
Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
emperor_zola wrote: bootlegs... I can tell you all night about this topic. Azintex music is the worst. He's selling on discogs, ebay, amazon, everywhere. There are others on ebay (mostly from ex-soviet countries, like ukraine or belarus etc). Luckily-luckily also sells fake shit (the latest victim is the 2on1 Assassin JapCD: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... SS:US:1123 ) They bootlegged almost every rare thrash and death metal album, like it was mentioned before (atom-h, noise, drowned/thrash records releases etc), and they are quasi identical to the original pressings. Only the quality of the paper and printing will help you to judge over it. The booklet is always on thin paper, smells from ink, no signs of use, no scratches on the disc, the logos on the disc are usually blurry or rastered... shitty quality imitations. Like this Dark Angel logo on the jap' press of their Darkness Descends : http://n1.vatera.hu/photos/ce/bd/5106_4_big.jpg As a reference for bootlegs, check the azintex page on discogs anyime: http://www.discogs.com/seller/azintex-m ... yle=Thrash I bought some bootlegs myself recently, like Exumer, Protector, Coroner etc etc... the matrix are consists the same characters, but the font type is different. See my bootleg pyracanda: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-P2-2ZYdCOz0/T ... matrix.jpg Also in some of the cases, the original disc has different type of those shiny silver rings, and the bootlegs has not. But not always easy to spot the difference. And the bootleg sellers are sharing low-res photos or trying to cheat you with other tricks, so basically you'll be able to tell you are screwed when the CD is in your hands. Sometimes the colors are not matching, like brown printing on the disc instead of black (Grinder CDs), sometimes one single letter typo error in the outer ring notes of the disc (Target CD's proibited instead of prohibited), the list would be too long now.... Check this page and you'll have nightmares: http://www.metal-treasures.com/2011/04/bootleg-pictures.html This post should be immortalized, so much good info here! That Azyntex guy's page on Discogs is ridiculous, I mean that first page alone at those prices... One has to be blind to get burned by such an evident bootlegger. dreadmeat wrote: i don't own this, but the top one is the fake, the font is wrong, correct? Yup! |
Author: | dreadmeat [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
i just emailed admin there to make a contribution, vengeance rising isn't there. i'm actually surprised they can copy matrix info like that, even if the font is wrong, the discs have been mastered properly too: consistent silver. i wonder if my majesty and decay cd from the ukraine really is a bootleg now... |
Author: | Grief_Of_Adoration [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Attention! Bootlegs Excruciate, Authorize, Wombbath!!!! |
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Author: | Metantoine [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Due to an increase of threads about the identification of cds/bootlegs, I'm creating this thread to help the users. So basically, ask your questions here instead of making a new thread. The new threads are gonna be locked and I'll link this one. Doing a comprehensive thread is the goal here, it's gonna be a good tool for the collectors here on MA. Tony is out. |
Author: | dreadmeat [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix Help Thread |
These are my discoveries to date, I’ll exclude the Angelcorpse ones... they were obvious home-burns Nebula - Peel Session evidently this is legit Once Dead - Vengeance Rising obvious bootleg Scorched-Earth - Mars evidently this is legit Immolation - Majesty and Decay obvious bootleg Discogs matrix info http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix SID Code Implementation Guide [.pdf file] http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/sid-code-implementation-guide.pdf Identification of pirate and counterfeit discs [.pdf file] http://www.reportmusicpiracy.co.nz/Identifing_Pirate_CD-DVD.pdf |
Author: | Paka01 [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix Help Thread |
I have one question and since I'm not an expert in these things, I need your help. I have Uriah Heep's album The Magician's Birthday and based on discogs data it is first UK press from 1986: http://www.discogs.com/Uriah-Heep-The-M ... se/2990062 But I'm confused about something. On ebay I found something that looks like exactly same CD and you can see it on picture number one. I don't have camera so I couldn't take picture of my cd, but I wanted to ask you about these things I encircled on second picture.
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On my copy text in larger circles is put vice-versa. By that I mean where on first photo stands DISCTRONICS, on my copy says S CLAD 109 01 and where on first photo stands S CLAD 109 01, on my copy says DISCTRONICS. Also, this small circle has number 9 in it, but on my copy there is number 14. What does it mean? Once again, I'm pretty new in these things and I don't know a lot about so I'm asking here because I want to be sure what exactly I have bought. I'm very sorry if you find this question naive or something like that, but I'd appreciate some help Thanks! |
Author: | Daemonlord [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix Help Thread |
OK, here's my list if titles which I've found to have known bootlegs either by seeing them myself or hearing reports from others who've been stung. It's by no means exhaustive, but these titles have known to have been bootlegged for 100% certain, so take care if you're looking to purchase/bid on eBay. Always ask for a picture of the matrix code where applicable if the price seems low or it seems too good to be true (going by the code itself is no longer trustworthy as bootleggers are now copying matrix codes too - usually you can see clearly by the font used on the actual CD though so this is the best way of checking for sure). Bootleg copies tend to have very modern, clean fonts which stand out a mile - whereas originals can often have 'dot matrix' styled font styles. With that said, it's not always the case, and if you're still unsure by all means check it here for others to see.. Note: This does not mean titles legitimately re-pressed by another label, or by a Russian label for sale within Russia & the Baltic states etc, these are titles pretending to be something they're not (i.e rare first pressings, deleted titles, titles from tiny labels who're long obsolete etc). Anyway, you'll do well to check carefully when wanting to pick up original pressings of any of the following.. Accuser - The Conviction + Experimental Errors Accuser - Who Dominates Who? Accuser - Double Talk Agony - The First Defiance Agressor - Neverending Destiny Agressor - By Any Means Necessary Agressor - Towards Beyond Airdash - Thank God It's Monday Airdash - Hospital Hallucinations Anacrusis - Suffering Hour Anihilated - Created in Hate Angel Dust - Into the Dark Past Angel Dust - To Dust You Will Decay Apocalypse - Apocalypse Apocalypse - Faithless Apocrypha - The Forgotten Scroll Apocrypha - The Eyes Of Time Apocrypha - Area 54 Assassin - The Upcoming Terror Assassin - Interstellar Experience Asphyx - The Rack Atrophy - Violent By Nature Atrophy - Socialized Hate Battleaxe - Power from the Universe Blind Illusion - The Sane Asylum Brainfever - Capture The Night Brainfever - Face To Face Burzum - Burzum Burzum - Aske Burzum - Det Som Engang Var Celtic Frost - Cold Lake Centinex - Subsconscious Lobotomy Chastain - Mystery Of Illusion Chastain - Ruler Of The Wasteland Coroner - R.I.P. Coroner - No More Color Coroner - Mental Vortex Coroner - Grin Coven - Bless in Black Cyclone - Inferior To None Death Angel - The Ultra-Violence Death Angel - Frolic Through the Park Deathrow - Deception Ignored Deathrow - Life Beyond Demigod - Slumber of Sullen Eyes Despair - Decay Of Humanity Despair - History Of Hate Destiny - Atomic Winter Destiny - Nothing Left to Fear Dimmu Borgir - For All Tid D.R.I - Four of a Kind D.R.I - Thrash Zone End Amen - Your Last Orison Equinox - Auf Wiedersehen Equinox - The Way To Go Equinox - Xerox Success Equinox - Labyrinth Excruciate - Passage of Life Faith Or Fear - Punishment Area Gargoyle - Nothing Is Sacred Grave Digger - Witch Hunter Griffin - Flight of the Griffin Griffin - Protectors of the Lair Grinder - The First EP Hexenhaus - Tribute to Insanity Hexenhaus - The Edge of Eternity Holy Terror - Mind Wars Illdisposed - Four Depressive Seasons Incubus - Serpent Temptation Incubus - Beyond The Unknown Iron Angel - Hellish Crossfire Iron Angel - Winds of War Kublai Khan - Annihilation Lethal - Programmed Liege Lord - Freedom's Rise Mania - Changing Times Massacre - From Beyond Midas Touch - Presage of Disaster Midnight Darkness - Holding The Night Mordred - Fool's Game Mortal Sin - Mayhemic Destruction Mortal Sin - Face Of Despair Mortal Sin - Every Dog Has It's Day Mutiilation - Vampires of Black Imperial Blood Mutiilation - Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul Napalm - Cruel Tranquility Napalm - Zero to Black Nasty Savage - Indulgence / Abstract Reality Nasty Savage - Penetration Point Nuclear Assault - Fight To Be Free Nuclear Assault - Survive Omen - Warning Of Danger Overkill - Taking Over Pantera - Metal Magic Pantera - Projects In The Jungle Pantera - I Am the Night Pantera - Power Metal Pariah - The Kindred Pariah - Blaze of Obscurity Poltergeist - Depression Poltergeist - Nothing Lasts Forever Protector - Golem Protector - Urm The Mad Protector - Leviathan's Desire Protector - A Shedding of Skin Protector - The Heritage Purgatory - Tied To The Trax Pyracanda - Two Sides Of A Coin Razor - Armed & Dangerous Razor - Evil Invaders Razor - Malicious Intent Razor - Custom Killing Razor - Violent Restitution Razor - Shotgun Justice Razor - Open Hostility Reaper - Beyond All Time Reaper - The Years Within Risk - The Daily Horror News Risk - Hell's Animals Risk - Dirty Surfaces Risk - The Reborn Running Wild - Under Jolly Roger Running Wild - Blazon Stone Running Wild - Branded & Exiled Running Wild - Gates to Purgatory Sabbat - Mourning Has Broken Sacrament - Testimony of Apocalypse Sacred Oath - A Crystal Vision Sacrifice - Forward To Termination Sadus - Illusions (Chemical Exposure) Saint Vitus - C.O.D Saint Vitus - Die Healing Sarcofago - INRI Sarcofago - Rotting Sarcofago - The Laws Of Scourge Sarcofago - Hate Scanner - Hypertrace Screamer - Target Earth Shah - Escape From Mind Shah - Beware Skyclad - A Burnt Offering For The Bone Idol Skyclad - Wayward Sons of Mother Earth Solstice (USA) - Solstice Stone - Stone Stone - No Anaesthesia! Stone - Colours Stone - Emotional Playground Talon - Neutralized Talon - Never Look Back Talon - Vicious Game Toxik - World Circus Toxik - Think This Vendetta - Brain Damage Vio-Lence - Eternal Nightmare Vio-Lence - Oppressing The Masses Vio-Lence - Nothing To Gain Virus - Lunacy Voivod - Angel Rat Wombbath - Internal Caustic Torments Znowhite - Act of God Sad thing is, I just know there's a fuckload that I've forgotten which aren't in circulation so much anymore but still exist. But this is what I can come up with for now... |
Author: | japc [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix Help Thread |
Nice Daemonlord. |
Author: | Daemonlord [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix Help Thread |
Hopefully it can go a little way to making people open their eyes to this - I've already added another few titles since I posted just from memory(!). Crazy amounts of stuff that has been bootlegged over the years... |
Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix Help Thread |
Paka01 wrote: I have one question and since I'm not an expert in these things, I need your help. I have Uriah Heep's album The Magician's Birthday and based on discogs data it is first UK press from 1986: http://www.discogs.com/Uriah-Heep-The-M ... se/2990062 But I'm confused about something. On ebay I found something that looks like exactly same CD and you can see it on picture number one. I don't have camera so I couldn't take picture of my cd, but I wanted to ask you about these things I encircled on second picture.
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On my copy text in larger circles is put vice-versa. By that I mean where on first photo stands DISCTRONICS, on my copy says S CLAD 109 01 and where on first photo stands S CLAD 109 01, on my copy says DISCTRONICS. Also, this small circle has number 9 in it, but on my copy there is number 14. What does it mean? Once again, I'm pretty new in these things and I don't know a lot about so I'm asking here because I want to be sure what exactly I have bought. I'm very sorry if you find this question naive or something like that, but I'd appreciate some help Thanks! That's weird! Are the CAT# (label code on the spine) and EAN (barcode) the correct ones? Because if the matrix is wrong then it might me another version, maybe a later reissue licensed to other region/distro or just a bootleg. The place where you bought it and the price for which you bought may also be indicative of this. |
Author: | Paka01 [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
I bought it at the second hand shop, so I have no idea where they got it. CAT and barcode are correct, same as those on discogs link i provided in first post. |
Author: | dreadmeat [ Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Disctronics is the name of a group of well known pressing plants sometimes when people enter matrix info at discogs they say things like "mirroly reversed" or just enter it so it reads left to right. matrix variants [or variations] are common too try to compare the fonts used if you can |
Author: | cvac [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
Thanks to whomever started this thread. Unfortunately, I fell for eBay auctions from both "blasterplan" and "luckily-luckily" before finding it and reading it. For the former, the Dark Angel "darkness descends" CD was an obvious bootleg. The tray card didn't even match what was on the disc...it was a frankenstein bootleg made up of CD data from an 80s pressing with tray card info from a late 90s reissue...really weird. I never got the Coroner cds from luckily-luckily because I demanded a refund before he shipped them. Both are still in business on eBay even though I tried to report them for selling bootlegs. eBay just doesn't seem to care. Now, here is another potential bootleg problem. Is anyone aware of bootlegs of Gorguts "obscura"? I ordered a CD from an Amazon seller called "best_music_service" about 3 weeks ago. CD arrived yesterday. See here: http://www.amazon.com/shops/A2MCWMG3LHZFTN No return address on the package! The seller ships out of the UK and I strongly suspect the CD I got to be a bootleg. Not only because finding a sealed copy of this CD is incredibly unlikely, but the shrinkwrap on the CD just looked suspect. It was doubled up on one area and was a bit thicker than what you get on most sealed CDs. No bar code sticky thingy across the top of the case either (under the shrinkwrap), and these were pretty common among CD released in the mid to late 90s from what I remember. Plus, the CD case itself looks weird - it has a clear try and just feels off/cheap. Looked at the CD playing surface - there is a matrix code and ifpi code but I know those can be copied. Anyone able to help me out here an post a pic of a bonafide original CD matrix? Much appreciated. |
Author: | dreadmeat [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts! |
we have an official thread for this now mate, see my signature. also check out the good/bad trader thread and add any usernames and emails etc to it. |
Author: | Daemonlord [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Spotted another seller on Amazon selling bootlegs, Kingdom of Evil - seen here selling a bootleg of Demigod's Slumber of Sullen eyes on Drowned for £17, among other things. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listin ... dition=all DO NOT SUPPORT! Wipe these assholes out. |
Author: | japc [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
I'm sure that's against the Amazon rules. |
Author: | false_icon [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Daemonlord wrote: (...) selling a bootleg of Demigod's Slumber of Sullen eyes on Drowned for £17, among other things. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listin ... dition=all I don't know if this copy of Slumber of Sullen Eyes is also a bootleg, but: matrix does not match with Discogs, a starting price at $9.99, like new CD, all of this is really suspicious... |
Author: | Rotting_Christ_Mike [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Is this the right place to ask for cassettes as well? |
Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
false_icon wrote: Daemonlord wrote: (...) selling a bootleg of Demigod's Slumber of Sullen eyes on Drowned for £17, among other things. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listin ... dition=all I don't know if this copy of Slumber of Sullen Eyes is also a bootleg, but: matrix does not match with Discogs, a starting price at $9.99, like new CD, all of this is really suspicious... That guy has been selling those Demigod bootlegs for what, a couple of months now? I remember we discussed it on another thread here in the boards. Be extra careful of Demigod bootlegs guys! As for the Amazon guy doing the same it's actually a distribution company registered here in Portugal, shame on them. Two things can happen here, either the guy running it knows it's a boot and doesn't care or he may not even know. It has happened in the past that good distros carry some boots that when inquired are said to be Greek/Russian editions. They don't hide that fact and all you need is a brain to get there. Now if the guy knows and doesn't give a shit he should be booted from business. |
Author: | Rotting_Christ_Mike [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Anyone know if Frostscald Records' releases are official? I'm interested in a Taake tape by them and I can't find the label on discogs which smells kinda fishy. |
Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:12 pm ] |
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Rotting_Christ_Mike wrote: Anyone know if Frostscald Records' releases are official? I'm interested in a Taake tape by them and I can't find the label on discogs which smells kinda fishy. I knew the name rang a bell. They've reissued Midvinter's sole album so they seem like the real deal. Check it out. |
Author: | Rotting_Christ_Mike [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
androdion wrote: I knew the name rang a bell. They've reissued Midvinter's sole album so they seem like the real deal. Check it out. Thanks for showing me that band. I thought they might be bootleggers, but I see they have quite an extensive list of releases. |
Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:11 pm ] |
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Rotting_Christ_Mike wrote: androdion wrote: I knew the name rang a bell. They've reissued Midvinter's sole album so they seem like the real deal. Check it out. Thanks for showing me that band. I thought they might be bootleggers, but I see they have quite an extensive list of releases. Yeah they have. Midvinter is pretty cool indeed! |
Author: | japc [ Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:20 pm ] |
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androdion wrote: As for the Amazon guy doing the same it's actually a distribution company registered here in Portugal, shame on them. Two things can happen here, either the guy running it knows it's a boot and doesn't care or he may not even know. It has happened in the past that good distros carry some boots that when inquired are said to be Greek/Russian editions. They don't hide that fact and all you need is a brain to get there. Now if the guy knows and doesn't give a shit he should be booted from business. Got curious and sent a message (via Amazon) asking if it's the original Drowned release, or a bootleg, or a Russian release or a later release. And if it's sealed. Not that I'll conclude anything from the answer but I like being annoying. |
Author: | japc [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
japc wrote: androdion wrote: As for the Amazon guy doing the same it's actually a distribution company registered here in Portugal, shame on them. Two things can happen here, either the guy running it knows it's a boot and doesn't care or he may not even know. It has happened in the past that good distros carry some boots that when inquired are said to be Greek/Russian editions. They don't hide that fact and all you need is a brain to get there. Now if the guy knows and doesn't give a shit he should be booted from business. Got curious and sent a message (via Amazon) asking if it's the original Drowned release, or a bootleg, or a Russian release or a later release. And if it's sealed. Not that I'll conclude anything from the answer but I like being annoying. Got a reply: "Thank you for your inquiry. Our edition is the 2006 reissue «Slumber... + Unholy Domain» done by Xtreem Music. It's factory sealed." |
Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:39 pm ] |
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A similar situation happened to me with another seller who had a CD listed as one edition but revealed to be another when inquired. Sometimes they have the dates wrong and post it as if it was the original when it's a reissue. It happens. |
Author: | japc [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:46 pm ] |
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Yes, happened to me recently when I got a "Unquestionable Presence" Icarus release when the listing was for the Relapse release. Both are crappy remasters, pretty much similar, and it was cheap so I let it go, but one can never be too careful. |
Author: | dreadmeat [ Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:46 pm ] |
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i'm sure people intentionally misunderstand the term "original" to me it means first pressing, first issue etc not that it isn't counterfeit/bootlegged etc |
Author: | Daemonlord [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:50 am ] |
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japc wrote: Got a reply: "Thank you for your inquiry. Our edition is the 2006 reissue «Slumber... + Unholy Domain» done by Xtreem Music. It's factory sealed." Hmm, that's interesting - my friend swore he got the dodgy Drowned bootleg which is doing the rounds from this guy - I will speak to him again to confirm. However, I know this guy has definitely supplied me with a couple of Agressor bootlegs a while back which I returned for a refund as they were around the same price as the originals go for on eBay - perhaps he is buying from a 3rd party wholesaler which has a mixture of bootleg and fake stuff, unknown to him? Could well be the case. |
Author: | StellarGraves [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:06 am ] |
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Someone here most know.. Ive got the Metalblade 1992 CD first press of "Tomb of the Mutilated" 3984-14003-2 Few questions: * The inner cade tray.. is it Black or transperant? * Whats the image on the CD itself? its it a B&W skull with red writings? Thanks.. |
Author: | dreadmeat [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:21 pm ] |
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StellarGraves wrote: Someone here most know.. Ive got the Metalblade 1992 CD first press of "Tomb of the Mutilated" 3984-14003-2 Few questions: * The inner cade tray.. is it Black or transperant? * Whats the image on the CD itself? its it a B&W skull with red writings? Thanks.. given its age i'd say it would have a *black tray insert/spindle, but these are easily replaced so it could have a clear one i have a different version so my disc likely looks different too, but it is basically black artwork with some red writing on mine. can you scan and upload your disc for us to see? *actually i was told they don't even make the black ones any more?! |
Author: | Asti78 [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: CD Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
StellarGraves wrote: Someone here most know.. Ive got the Metalblade 1992 CD first press of "Tomb of the Mutilated" 3984-14003-2 Few questions: * The inner cade tray.. is it Black or transperant? * Whats the image on the CD itself? its it a B&W skull with red writings? Thanks.. Well, first to say there are 2 different firstpresses, the EU and the US Version. Both definitely have a black tray. The EU Version has the gore artwork inside the foldout booklet and doesn't contain lyrics, also the backcover doesn't mention all song titles. The CD itself is this (matrix number CDZORRO-49 11 A1 DADC Austria) : The US Version has the gore artwork on the front with the "parental advisory" logo, which isn't on the gore cover in the EU. The US edition has full lyrics, also the back cover shows all song titles. Didn't find a picture of the CD itself or the matrix number but I'll try to remember to look it up when I'm home from work as I have both firstpresses. Edit: matrix number of the US Version is "3984-14003-2" in mirror writing. Here a picture of the disc. |
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