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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
The Iron Maiden stuff is a nightmare, they have been repressed so many times, not every manufacturer puts [visible] SID codes either. |
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| Author: | Helvede [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:22 am ] |
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dreadmeat wrote: androdion wrote: It's probably just some tiny defect when the plant assembled that CD. It has nothing to do with bootlegging and if the CD plays fine I wouldn't worry about it. that's what it looks like here too, i have a few like this, it's pretty common and can be alarming agreed!dreadmeat wrote: Immolation - Majesty And Decay COUNTERFEIT bought from http://www.ebay.com/usr/musiccocktail New release added to Discogs, take a look. http://www.discogs.com/release/5026588 http://i.imgur.com/nrryMkM.jpg DigitalDictator wrote: Let me understand.. the first photo is the boot and the photo below is the original, right?? thanx Yeah the top one is a counterfeit copy.androdion wrote: @ dreadmeat - Maybe I'm just drowsy but would you care to explain it in detail (the boot)?
Seems rather stupid to bootleg a cd that is not rare and easy to find in the first place, isn't it? |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Helvede wrote: Seems rather stupid to bootleg a cd that is not rare and easy to find in the first place, isn't it? Indeed! Vengeance Rising – Once Dead http://www.discogs.com/release/3753829 I wonder how many Pantera, Iron Maiden or Metallica fakes are out there |
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| Author: | drobowik [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:39 am ] |
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I have never seen so strange Sony DADC matrix, so it could be bootleg? CD has both mastering and mould ifpi codes, but matrix makes me confused. Checked other Transmission releases, but other ones have standard looking Sony DADC matrixes.
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Your links are all busted mate |
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| Author: | drobowik [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:49 am ] |
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little better now, but for some strange reason upside down |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
What doesn't look right to you? 
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| Author: | drobowik [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:03 am ] |
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This is Sony DADC typical matrix I used to see on many releases. Comes from Epica - Phantom Agony limited edition.
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| Author: | drobowik [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
After some search over collection found couple of Sony DADC releases with same looking matrix code, so this strange one is probably legit too. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
They are a HUGE company and have many variances between plants and even the same plant at different times, it looks fine to me. What does Discogs/Ebay/Musik Sammler etc say? |
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| Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
To be perfectly honest that font left me wondering, as did the white inner ring. I don't think I've ever seen a Sony DADC disc with a white inner ring. But then again I'm working solely by memory here. Truth be told Sony is beyond huge, but Transmission Records were really fucking small Dread... I've checked my copy but it's the limited digibook so it has a different print on the CD, plus the matrix employs the typical crossed zeros font. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Transmission Records may be small but they didn't manufacture the disc  https://web.archive.org/web/20060613013546/http://transmissionrecords.nl/ The mould SID code matches too http://www.musik-sammler.de/wiki/index.php?title=IFPI-Codes |
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| Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Shit Dread, you know what I meant. I guess I'm not phrasing myself correctly... Could be that I'm just tired, or that I simply can't focus on anything else besides that hat-trick Ronaldo scored today, ha ha.
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| Author: | drobowik [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
androdion, Probably white inner ring is kind a production speciality For example Finntroll - Visor Om Slutet by Sony DADC has green inner ring. |
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| Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:00 pm ] |
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Sure, there's no reason for it not to be legit. As Dread said, huge company with different pressing plants and all that. The initial impact though was weird, but that's probably because all my Sony DADC discs look the same. 
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| Author: | The Lions Den [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Hi guys! Help needed... I'm going to buy 'Demigod' cd from Behemoth. I want to choose the Peaceville cd+dvd digibook edition and I want to know if the original cover is inside or not. Same question for the Regain repress slipcase. the Peaceville one: http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2808982 the Regain one: http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2672930 I'm searching on the web for an image of the inlay, never find. Thanks for the help! |
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| Author: | Poisonfume [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Hello everyone. Does anyone have a copy of the 1994 Necromantia/Varathron CD? My copy's matrix code is GZ F50919 USR 010. Anyone know exactly which edition that is? This thread on the NWN forums has conflicting answers: http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... d37c507f5c |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
The Lions Den wrote: Hi guys! Help needed... I'm going to buy 'Demigod' cd from Behemoth. I want to choose the Peaceville cd+dvd digibook edition and I want to know if the original cover is inside or not. Same question for the Regain repress slipcase. the Peaceville one: http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2808982 the Regain one: http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2672930 I'm searching on the web for an image of the inlay, never find. Thanks for the help! I have this version: http://www.discogs.com/release/775722 It's just the standard Century Media jewel case version, however I did ask for those two releases you linked to to be updated, lets see what happens... You could always ask in the history about the artwork. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Poisonfume wrote: Hello everyone. Does anyone have a copy of the 1994 Necromantia/Varathron CD? My copy's matrix code is GZ F50919 USR 010. Anyone know exactly which edition that is? This thread on the NWN forums has conflicting answers: http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... d37c507f5c Some info on GZ / Gramofonové Závody http://www.discogs.com/label/GZ+Digital+Media http://www.discogs.com/label/Gramofonov%C3%A9+Z%C3%A1vody |
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| Author: | Poisonfume [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
dreadmeat wrote: Poisonfume wrote: Hello everyone. Does anyone have a copy of the 1994 Necromantia/Varathron CD? My copy's matrix code is GZ F50919 USR 010. Anyone know exactly which edition that is? This thread on the NWN forums has conflicting answers: http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... d37c507f5c Some info on GZ / Gramofonové Závody http://www.discogs.com/label/GZ+Digital+Media http://www.discogs.com/label/Gramofonov%C3%A9+Z%C3%A1vody Thanks, that is helpful but all I can deduce from the manufacture info is that my copy is indeed from 1994. To narrow down my question, there's mainly two versions of the disc people seem to have. One with matrix code GZ F50919 USR 010, and one with FABELSOUND 95 [01] UNISOUND 010. The GZ copy is not archived in discogs. From what I've researched the latter's format is that used with most Unisound first-presses, but many first pressings of releases under the label's previous name (Decapitated) have been GZ manufactured. I just want some more info on those two. Which is the very first pressing? Normally I'd assume it to be the greek Fabelsound pressing, but the example of Passage to Arcturo brought up by the guy on the NWN forums suggests that isn't necessarily so. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
To be clear, we are talking about this release, correct? http://www.discogs.com/master/123478 http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Varathron/The_Black_Arts_-_The_Everlasting_Sins/41947 http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/10895 Numerous variations of artwork and packaging and numerous pressings including reissues. The title is interesting to note too, it changed from The Black Arts / The Everlasting Sins to The Black Arts Lead To Everlasting Sins And from what I can see over at Discogs the name varies even more still Black Arts Lead To Everlasting Sins with no 'the' If your version doesn't exist at Discogs please add it, with full matrix info and scans. |
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| Author: | Poisonfume [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:25 pm ] |
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I am talking about that release, yes. Specifically, the 1994 Unisound CD release with the color artwork (titled "Black Arts Lead to Everlasting Sins"). I could add it to discogs but there's details about the release I'm unsure of myself! I wonder how it is that so many people have this edition and yet there's so little info on it. I know little on matters of CD pressing. Is it common practice to have a single edition manufactured both locally and abroad the same year? |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
You could ask some of the members who have them listed for sale I've gone through Discogs, Ebay, GEMM and Metal Archives in the past asking for specific info, people trying to sell stuff are helpful [and they are trying to prove the authenticity too] Also if you ask at the same time the copy/paste answers stick out, there may be a group of dodgy guys in different countries with different account names selling bootlegs for example If you submit yours to Discogs you just need to put down the info you have, you don't have to call it a first press or original etc Usually when I add something new and different I put a link to it in the history of the other releases so the people who have them in their collection or for sale get notified and can take a look, quite often they don't even have that version but it didn't exist so they are just using the other one, don't be that guy. |
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| Author: | Poisonfume [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:52 pm ] |
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dreadmeat wrote: Usually when I add something new and different I put a link to it in the history of the other releases so the people who have them in their collection or for sale get notified and can take a look, quite often they don't even have that version but it didn't exist so they are just using the other one, don't be that guy. This is how I got my own copy. The seller did specify the GZ matrix in the item description, but it was listed under the other release because the appropriate entry does not yet exist. I'll add it within the next couple of days. I guess only Unisound can solve the mystery surrounding the exact details of the release. Thanks for the help! |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Ok dudes, I need your beady eyes on this, which version is older? Revenge – Attack.Blood.Revenge According to our page here they grey background band logo is older [the original] Could you guys take a look at both of them, including the scans, and give me your opinion? Also there is quote possibly a dodgy Greek bootleg with different artwork/cover/logo but the same matrix I have one of each of these http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/852992 http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/4843220 This is the suspect one and yes it needs scans but I don't have it http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/5046619 |
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| Author: | The Lions Den [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
dreadmeat wrote: I have this version: http://www.discogs.com/release/775722 It's just the standard Century Media jewel case version, however I did ask for those two releases you linked to to be updated, lets see what happens... You could always ask in the history about the artwork. Thanks mate. I want to buy it cause I've find the Peaceville digibook at only 8 € 
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| Author: | dirklerxst [ Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Anyone a Vektor or Heavy Artillery collector? I have what looks like an official pressing of Vektor's "Black Future" that is different from the one listed on discogs.com at http://www.discogs.com/Vektor-Black-Fut ... se/2242001 Mastering ID is IFPI LM07 Mould ID is IFPI F915 Run-out is ATOZM49559/B S1 Which tells me that it was manufactured at L&M Optical Disc in Brooklyn, NY. Seems legit. There are two differences between mine and that one: The back inlay is all black and white (no color in HA logo nor red text at bottom) and the CD itself does not have the title "Black Future" penetrating the silver inner circle. Any info on this? |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
What's the catalogue number and label? It's been reissued by Earache and they are likely to have a UK and a US version, maybe even more Manufactured in the US doesn't mean it was released there though, you need to suss out the address of the label on the rear cover Also it could be a repress not a reissue, some colour variations [and other weird stuff] are common with represses. After having a bit of a cruise through Discogs most matrices with ATOZM seem to be US releases http://www.discogs.com/search/?barcode=ATOZM49559%2FB+S1&format_exact=CD&type=release |
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| Author: | dirklerxst [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread |
Label is Heavy Artillery based out of Brooklyn, NY. HA5-5012-2-4 is the Cat no. ATOZ looks like A to Z Media based out of Broadway, NY. LM07 points to L & M Optical Disc in Brooklyn. Looks like the "first pressing" on discogs was manufactured by Icon Omnimedia in NY. Wonder which one is a true first press? Either way it is up on eBay starting at 99 cents, I'm not a big Vektor guy nor a CD collector in general. http://www.ebay.com/itm/261345604612?ss ... 1555.l2649 |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:20 pm ] |
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Well you have 7 bids already, isn't that delicious  You could add it as a new release, it's unique and has more than enough differences to warrant it. |
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| Author: | Psychogrotesque [ Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:31 pm ] |
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The other day I was watching Heavy Metal 2000 and enjoying myself... yeah, that's right! Anyway, I came to a scene where a horde of lizard-men were marching to war accompanied by a jaunty, little industrial tune I found catchy. At first I thought it was some long lost number from Bile but after checking the credits I found it was by a band called Sons Of Domination and the track was entitled "Hate Me". All I can find out is that the group was formed by Gus Chambers and is attached to Paul Raven in some way. All of the articles (if you can call them that) are very vague and only mention this band in passing. Anybody know if they ever released an album or where I can track down the mp3 for "Hate Me"? Horns up. |
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| Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:52 pm ] |
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Psychogrotesque wrote: The other day I was watching Heavy Metal 2000 and enjoying myself... yeah, that's right! Anyway, I came to a scene where a horde of lizard-men were marching to war accompanied by a jaunty, little industrial tune I found catchy. At first I thought it was some long lost number from Bile but after checking the credits I found it was by a band called Sons Of Domination and the track was entitled "Hate Me". All I can find out is that the group was formed by Gus Chambers and is attached to Paul Raven in some way. All of the articles (if you can call them that) are very vague and only mention this band in passing. Anybody know if they ever released an album or where I can track down the mp3 for "Hate Me"? Horns up. And you're asking for this in the bootleg thread because... ? 
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| Author: | Huldrelok [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:43 am ] |
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dirklerxst wrote: Label is Heavy Artillery based out of Brooklyn, NY. HA5-5012-2-4 is the Cat no. ATOZ looks like A to Z Media based out of Broadway, NY. LM07 points to L & M Optical Disc in Brooklyn. Looks like the "first pressing" on discogs was manufactured by Icon Omnimedia in NY. Wonder which one is a true first press? Either way it is up on eBay starting at 99 cents, I'm not a big Vektor guy nor a CD collector in general. http://www.ebay.com/itm/261345604612?ss ... 1555.l2649 I believe I have a first pressing of Black Future that I got from someone who got it from the band a few years ago. My CD looks like the one on discogs, however I lost the case so I cannot match anything else up, I sent a message to the person I got it from ill let you know if i get a response. And holy crap why is that CD going for so much, its sickening seeing an album that was released 4 years ago, with lots of different pressings going for over $20, if its not the flippers it is some idiot collectors driving the prices up, really stupid stuff. After thinking about it you probably have the real first press, I doubt anyone would pay around 30 bucks unless they knew it was the first press for sure. Anyway, if anyone is interested in the CD only (of the 1st press according to discogs), let me know it is for sale. I have a question, and didnt want to start a new thread. For the Faustcoven - The Priest's Command CD, the MA page says the following; "Includes foldout interview and big artwork." Just making sure that there is only ONE foldout that just has an interview on it (with some art, however not the front coverart). Im fairly sure there was just one foldout paper (with an interview) inserted in the CD. Thanks in advance. |
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| Author: | dreadmeat [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:54 pm ] |
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dreadmeat wrote: Ok dudes, I need your beady eyes on this, which version is older? Revenge – Attack.Blood.Revenge According to our page here they grey background band logo is older [the original] Could you guys take a look at both of them, including the scans, and give me your opinion? Also there is quote possibly a dodgy Greek bootleg with different artwork/cover/logo but the same matrix I have one of each of these http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/852992 http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/4843220 This is the suspect one and yes it needs scans but I don't have it http://www.discogs.com/Revenge-AttackBloodRevenge/release/5046619 Ok everybody relax, I got it sussed over at NWN!  http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41165 |
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| Author: | Huldrelok [ Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:36 pm ] |
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dreadmeat wrote: ha, thats where I would definitely go for any information Revenge related, those guys really worship that stuff over there. |
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| Author: | Zdan [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:04 pm ] |
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Okay - some questions towards the more heavy metal oriented among you fellows: 1. Does anyone know who to distinguish the japanese edition of Marshall Law's "Marshall Law" (on Teichiku) from the recent bootleg? Both come with an obi so that is no indication. 2. What is the status of the Wild Dogs re-releases on Northwind Records? Northwind was a legal label (releasing stuff like Tefra and Thunderstorm) but I heard doubts about the legality of those reissues. |
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| Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:13 pm ] |
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I usually check this website but sadly they only have the bootleg info on the other album. It still needs updating. I know that I've browsed a website once that had a lot of information regarding Japanese editions, mainly dealt with those gold disc 24-bit reissues that are also bootlegged apparently. Thing is, I can't remind myself what was the actual website. I know it had something to do with "mini lp" CDs and all that because I was checking for info about the Devil Doll box set at the time, the one with all five albums in golden discs limited to 100 or something like that. If anyone knows the name/link of that website it might prove a worthy shot. Come to think of it I think there was an Ebay user selling that same box that had the website listed under his profile, for people to check out differences and give them reassurance as to buy those boxes he was selling. Do some checking up on Ebay if you're up to it. |
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| Author: | Metal_Detector [ Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:52 pm ] |
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Is anyone here familiar with Aaarrg Records? I'd be interested in seeing what genuine, original CD copies of Holy Moses's Finished with the Dogs and especially Target's Master Project Genesis look like if anyone has them. Countless bootlegs of these extremely rare and valuable albums have mucked about with the market, and I honestly can hardly tell them apart anymore. The latter is in my top 5 most wanted CDs, as well. |
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| Author: | ~Guest 82538 [ Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:00 pm ] |
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Metal_Detector wrote: Is anyone here familiar with Aaarrg Records? I'd be interested in seeing what genuine, original CD copies of Holy Moses's Finished with the Dogs and especially Target's Master Project Genesis look like if anyone has them. Countless bootlegs of these extremely rare and valuable albums have mucked about with the market, and I honestly can hardly tell them apart anymore. The latter is in my top 5 most wanted CDs, as well. Regarding that Target album: http://heavymetalcd.com/Top_Rare_Metal_CDs.html Scroll down a bit and you'll find the info you're searching for. Aaarrg first presses are usually very rare, but I'm under the impression that most were reissued in the post-2000 years. At least I know that the Mekong Delta CDs were reissued, and those are very easy to spot actually. Compare the following. Original: http://www.discogs.com/Mekong-Delta-The ... ter/323167 Reissues: http://www.discogs.com/Mekong-Delta-The ... se/2759436 and http://www.discogs.com/Mekong-Delta-The ... se/3592348 |
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| Author: | Metal_Detector [ Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:07 pm ] |
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I think they were more willing to reissue the Mekong Delta albums because the label belonged to one of the band members. Mekong Delta CDs are also about the only thing on the label not to be extremely rare these days, which leads me to believe that only their albums were reissued in the post-2000s (although everything has been bootlegged, of course). Thank you for the information on the Target CD. It should be fairly easy to spot a real one now. Hopefully a better bootleg hasn't been made since that was written. Damn these bootlegging bastards
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