Hi Dreadmeat,

I was hesitating between discogs and ebay (there is an auction that ends today)

Anyway I'm gonna take my time before buying it, I've already been ripped off many times believing I could catch rare CD's for cheap but they were all counterfeits.

beware of this guy :
http://azintex-music.com/

Almost all he sells are counterfeit, very well made with correct matrix number and all, but not the real deal.
He is Russian, and sells the Cd's without jewel cases, and if you order, you will see they have never been in a jewel case...which means they are fake (the only way to make the difference, cause everything is right, including matrix number)

You need more than correct matrix text, it has to be in the correct font and *orientation too.



* in the right place

I know that, but I don't always have the original to compare.

Can you post that http://azintex-music.com/ info in the good bad traders/distro thread if it's not already there

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Morpheus Descends ‎– Chronicles Of The Shadowed Ones

Click image for full scans, it looks legit but I'm not sure which version it is

@Dreadmeat : it's done.

Someone changed the information on Discogs about the 2 versions of this CD and Im now confused. According to the previous information on Discogs, the first pressing of this CD has a black tray with a single sided back tray insert, just plain white in the inside. The matrix of this version is MORPHUS P302850-1. The second press is the one with the Mastered by Nimbus matrix and the vampire picture in the inside of the back tray card. Your version seems to be a combination of the 2 above.

Ask the seller to send you a scan of the matrix number of the version he is selling. Post the picture here and we will be able to help you. I have 2 versions of this CD in my collection, and both are legits. The matrices are:

R 73253 (V). :MASTERED: .BY NIMBUS.

WEA Mfg Olyphant Z17787 A4 P2 772548-2 01 M1S3 C1 IFPI 2U4C

the "mastered by nimbus" version is currently for sale on ebay.I was hesitating to bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351025480433?ss ... 1423.l2649

I just asked him for the scan.hope he will help.thanks to you however.

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No need for a scan. There is one on the listing, which is actually pretty good and the matrix is clearly visible. Bid with confidence. That's the real deal.

Yeah I have no idea, I can't imagine someone would have chopped one up just to show the image correctly, I'll scour my emails again and try to decipher what's going on.

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No need for a scan. There is one on the listing, which is actually pretty good and the matrix is clearly visible. Bid with confidence. That's the real deal.[/quote]


I missed it.as it was an US seller and the auction ended late at night for me.I was sleepeing.next time maybe.

Beside azintex, everyone should be very careful with two other guys on discogs - kolya3440 and apexmusic
Probably 99.99% or ever 100% bootleg sellers.
According to their feedbacks buyers are blind or totally unwise

Can you post that in the Good Seller or Buyer / Bad Seller or Buyer Feedback Center too?
I'd include links too: http://www.discogs.com/seller/kolya3440 // http://www.discogs.com/seller/apexmusic apexmusic has feedback to prove the theory...

Guys, what is the deal with some CD's with 'Mastered by Nimbus' in the ring, I mean look this Death album with matrix in different directions, first is more 'center' and second is more on the 'corner', what is the bootleg or this is normal?

Nimbus are/were a CD pressing facility in England, way more info at Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/label/93218-Nimbus
I wouldn't worry about the orientation of that matrix, it's not relevant.

On a side note I want that CD

Don't look at the orientation of the matrix with respect to the outer print of the disc. Instead look for consistency between disc to disc in terms of the spacing between the matrix characters and relative position. The way these discs were manufactured, the matrix number is already there when they do the outer coating with the artwork, so the position will vary from disc to disc based on its initial position. On the two pictures you provided the characters are the same and the spacing is consistent. Both are originals.

Who have Therion/Lepaca Kliffoth - Megarock/Nuclear Blast release?

My friend want sell to me and send me this ugly pictures



http://www.discogs.com/Therion-Lepaca-K ... se/3921395

I have a doubt with my Powerslave, Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son, they are from United Kingdom/UK EMI. For example Seventh Son listed on discogs:

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=4085889

But my versions don't have ifpi anywhere. I read someday United Kingdom was founded 1993, so my discs are the first "re-press"?

No, it was 1707.
Now seriously, check your edition against one of the other of Seventh Son:

http://www.discogs.com/Iron-Maiden-Seve ... ster/19182

Possibly you have one of the earlier EMI UK releases.

Well I take some pics (sorry quality, I'm not good take photos with phone) and some information.
Oh and this CDs come with brown jewel cases by EMI (say below 'Mafuctared by EMI')

SEVENTH SON

I:
F:PM516
UK: CDEMS 1534
Printed in UK
Barcode: 0 77779 02582 4

On disc: Made in UK
Rights Society: BIEM/MCPS
Matrix / Runout: CDP 790258 2 AR. @ 2 +
No ifpi




SOMEWHERE IN TIME

I:
F:PM516
UK: CDEMS 1537
Printed in UK
Barcode: 0 77774 63412 0

On disc: Made in UK
Rights Society: BIEM/MCPS
Label Code: LC 0542
Matrix / Runout: 746341 2 @ 4 -1-12 (look sharp and thin maybe while was press because they see anyway in the other side) EMI SWINDON
No ifpi



POWERSLAVE

I:
F:
UK: CDEMS 1539
Printed in UK
Barcode: 0777 746045 2 9

On disc: Made in UK
Rights Society: BIEM/MCPS
Matrix / Runout: 746045 2 @ 5 -1-12 (look sharp and thin maybe while was press because they see anyway in the other side)
No ifpi

Multiple pressings, represses and reissues exist of most Iron maiden stuff, it's a bit of a nightmare.
Some variances will be present too eg

Matrix / Runout: 746045 2 @ 5 -1-12
Matrix / Runout: 746045 2 @ 5 -1-10
Matrix / Runout: 746045 2 @ 5 -1-25
Matrix / Runout: 746045 2 @ 5 -2-1

I have asked for some more info on the release page at Discogs, those scans suck, but you knew that

SO I just bought Marduk's Dark Endless and apparently it is an unofficial release. Does this make it a bootleg or...? It is by Black Lodge

Master Code = Sony DADC A0100607064-0101 15 A1
Master IFPI = IFPI L555
Mould = IFPI 94K4


http://www.discogs.com/Marduk-Dark-Endl ... se/1054737

So what's up with this?

Also, another Marduk I just got is Heaven Shall Burn... When we are gathered and I cant find any info on this copy besides the barcode and on this copy (Reg-1005) has the barcode 8 79822 00005 1

Which mine has, but its on a sticker with another barcode underneath. I can't peel the sticker off but it appears to be different. Another bootleg?

EDIT: oh and onthe cd all it says is CD Heaven Shall Burn 12622 as a matrix and no ifpi anywhere.

As it says on the notes the album was released without the consent of Marduk, and without owning any copyrights, hence the unofficial.

That's what I assumed, but I wanted to make sure. This is what you guys mean by bootleg right? I always thought it was going to be a CDr with bad quality, which I assume it is sometime. I'll go and return this one asap. Now about the other one...that's the one I'm wondering about!

It's not uncommon for a release to have a sticker barcode, sometimes covering the printed one, it could have been a mix up at the printers.
Not having IFPI SID codes doesn't necessarily mean it's a bootleg either.

Where did you buy these CDs from, Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Greece?

The release that matches the info you gave I have asked to be updated, it was submitted by a notorious web subber [someone who adds releases they don't actually have in their possession]

I bought them from my local shop here in Michigan. First time that I have ever had a problem with it.

Do you have a Discogs account? you should sign up, then you can submit to the database
I'd like to see a photo/scan of the CD matrix if you can, we like pictures in here, it's almost like being there

I tried to, but all of the shots were too blurry (We aren't really tech savvy and have no need for the best of the best in electronics haha). Should I take the safe route and return both albums and say they were unofficial, bootlegs, or should this be good?

You need to be sure they are before doing that, and to be sure you need to help us help you to find out.
Plenty of legit albums are 'unofficial' by the way, if that makes sense.
If you take them back to the shop and the place has someone like us who hang out in this particular thread there, you won't have much fun at all.

Well, I am pretty sure the Dark Endless is a bootleg, but it seems to be an official unofficial thing and not like a Russian (Stereotype, sorry!) sitting at his house and pressing them. Ill just keep both and live with it because of what I just said. Again, is this what you guys usually call bootleg? High quality, label releases that are just unlicensed?

anyone more can help?

whats the problem with those pictures? Yes, they are a little blurry but you can see everything that should be necessary. If someone else sends you pictures of his copy, how does this help if you are interested in the particular copy from the pictures? There is no matrix font that can be compared and this is no album known for being bootlegged.

Anyone can help, if have Megarock/Nuclear Blast release (don't read my posts though) and I don't know if this "bootlegged" or not, reason why I write here!!!!!

And what do you mean with "fonts"? wtf? what fonts?

The fonts in the matrix, a font is the lettering or the style of lettering used, bootlegs will often have the correct text but the wrong lettering style.
We need a good photo of the matrix, can you ask them for one?

Also we are trying to help, yelling!!!! at us and using "wtf" etc isn't very nice is it

Catalogue number MRRCD029 on the backinsert of the CD and the CD shows NB127-2 (only this too in the matrix), release by Megarock/Nuclear Blast, this guy say this is the first original release from Sweden, and I don't see many of this releases, only well-know Nuclear Bleast re-release.

I am not yelling but he say "oh well this cd not can bootleg", so why one guy here ask for Iron Maiden CD versions on page 26?...

My advice to you is to ask on the Discogs release history page and/or message someone who has it there to see if they can double check for you.
Not everyone comes into this thread to read the questions or comments in here.
There's actually a copy for sale there, you could ask the seller for some info even [I've done that myself]

http://www.discogs.com/marketplace?release_id=3921395

With all respect, help here is horribly.

I don't know what is the point to jump in other site external to know what edition is the copy I try to buy, or well thanks for nothing.