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aloof
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:10 am 
 

https://www.facebook.com/Megadeth/photo ... 036847330/

thoughts on Megadeth's "Black album"? they got a lot of slack for "toning down" and including a ballad then... not to mention the first ever cover NOT featuring Vic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:21 am 
 

For tracks that are overplayed beyond recognition, "Symphony of Destruction" and "Sweating Bullets" have aged amazingly well. In fact, I probably like those songs more now than I ever have.

Although "Ashes in Your Mouth" might technically be Countdown's best song, and it's probably my favorite, "Architecture of Aggression" is one of Megadeth's ultimate hidden gems, and I'll never understand why it took a 20-year anniversary tour for Mustaine to finally decide that the song was worth playing live.

All in all to me, it's a middle of the pack album for 'Deth that has more hits than misses and at least two tracks that are as good any in the band's catalog: namely "Ashes" and "Architecture".

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:29 am 
 

Wouldve made more sense to switch the back cover to the front. I remember buying the next few albums used and when listening to them, there's a reason why they were used.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:20 am 
 

Still a pretty good album. "This Was My Life" and "Psychotron" are my personal favorites off that one.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:43 am 
 

I fucking love the self titled song, I think it might've been my first Megadeth song. SOD is overplayed as fuck and I never really got into it. But Skin o my Teeth and Foreclosure of a Dream are great.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:05 am 
 

Symphony of Destruction was the first Megadeth song I remember hearing, but I never really got into it either. Quite cool in live clips though, when the crowd is active. But the best stuff of the album is great, mainly Sweating Bullets and the title track.

My song ranking at the moment:

1. Sweating Bullets
2. Countdown to Extinction
3. Ashes in Your Mouth
4. Architecture of Aggression
5. Symphony of Destruction
6. Skin o' My Teeth
7. High Speed Dirt
8. Foreclosure of a Dream
9. This Was My Life
10. Psychotron
11. Captive Honour

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lordcatfish
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:46 am 
 

It's a decent album. Always felt it was the weakest record of those produced by that particular Megadeth line up though. "Skin o' My Teeth" is my personal highlight.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:42 am 
 

One of my favorites from Megadeth. Favorite track was Psychotron, but overall they were all good songs.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:59 pm 
 

This album was my first exposure to Megadeth so I do love this album and enjoy every song except for Sweating Bullets. That song annoys me to no end. My highlights are Skin O' My Teeth and High Speed Dirt.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:29 pm 
 

A surprisingly good album for being a blatant "sell-out" record. I love it quite a bit, and I wouldn't say there's a song I dislike on it. Dave transitioned into more mainstream heavy metal quite well.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:52 pm 
 

Eh. Kinda like a slightly more musically active but equally unambitious and inconsistent black album. It's decent overall, even if 'Sweating Bullets' sucks ass.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:26 pm 
 

Can't stand this album personally. Dave's at his whiniest and the one thing Megadeth had going for them was the technicality of their songs, and they dialed it back. I can dig their earlier stuff but IMO this is where they really started to get bad. Bah humbug.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:31 pm 
 

I see Megadeth as my favourite band ever. A surprising thing since it wasn't immediate. It came after me having listened to them for years until they at one point just started to have a huge impact. That said I have never loved everything they released. In fact I didn't really appreciate Countdown to Extinction until the remix/remaster was released. I know most will disagree but I though the album became a lot better with the new sound (the only of the remixes that really made a big positive difference for me).

That said I think everything on here is good. Favourite songs shifts, and its been a good while since I heard this one. In general I prefer the down tempo stuff on here. Foreclosure of a Dream, Countdown to Extinction and Captive Honour.

I don't know why people dislike the cover. I think it is excellent and the next best only behind Youthanasia.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:31 pm 
 

Countdown to extinction's (the song) closing riff is one of the most memorable riffs in metal ever, sometimes it sudden pops out in my head and ends up sticking for a couple of days.
I consider it one of the most underrated albums in the metal community (don't know anyone in person who consider it good or worth having, it ranges from "meh, i don't care" to "it fucking sucks") just because it is not "ultra fast thrashing madness" doesn't mean it's bad, it actually contains some great heavy/thrash tunes.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:29 am 
 

blackmantram wrote:
I consider it one of the most underrated albums in the metal community (don't know anyone in person who consider it good or worth having, it ranges from "meh, i don't care" to "it fucking sucks") just because it is not "ultra fast thrashing madness" doesn't mean it's bad, it actually contains some great heavy/thrash tunes.


Its the curse of having been a thrash band. For every release there will be fans proclaiming "its not thrash enough". Like thrash somehow equals good. I always though the classic bands that grew from the thrash genre became better when they were more heavy metal oriented anyway. And really, Megadeth had thrash influences but has never really been a pure thrash band. Nothing like, say, Exodus was and is.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:39 am 
 

Napalm_Satan wrote:
Eh. Kinda like a slightly more musically active but equally unambitious and inconsistent black album. It's decent overall, even if 'Sweating Bullets' sucks ass.


Well, The Black Album at least the honour of being something new for a thrash band, whereas, The Grey Album simply followed in its footsteps. Neither are terrible, I'd say. The Grey one's certainly a lot worse - less memorable, crappy vocals on occasion - but its highlights are more enjoyable than Metallica's.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:13 am 
 

A great album. After this Dave only made one more good album.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:12 pm 
 

love this album a lot - especially friedman at his best imo

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:16 pm 
 

Countdown to Extinction is definitely my favorite Megadeth album. Symphony Of Destruction is how I was introduced to them back in middle school and I'm sure a lot of Megadeth fans can relate. My favorite track off of it is probably the title track. I also think this album aged very well and just because it isn't straight up thrash doesn't mean it's not a great album.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:34 pm 
 

Not my favorite album, but still pretty damn good and fun. Also the original mix of it is quite possibly my favorite production job ever, the guitars are sharp, Nick's drumming is crisp and Ellefson has so much weight on it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:58 pm 
 

I'm with the minority here; it is a classic heavy metal album with tons of great songs. Skin O' My Teeth, Psychotron, Ashes in Your Mouth, these weren't very thrashy songs but they were still executed with a lot of technical flair. I disagree that this is their "black album", that recognition belongs to "Cryptic Writings". This is more like their answer to "And Justice For All".

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:36 am 
 

InnesI wrote:
blackmantram wrote:
I consider it one of the most underrated albums in the metal community (don't know anyone in person who consider it good or worth having, it ranges from "meh, i don't care" to "it fucking sucks") just because it is not "ultra fast thrashing madness" doesn't mean it's bad, it actually contains some great heavy/thrash tunes.


Its the curse of having been a thrash band. For every release there will be fans proclaiming "its not thrash enough". Like thrash somehow equals good. I always though the classic bands that grew from the thrash genre became better when they were more heavy metal oriented anyway. And really, Megadeth had thrash influences but has never really been a pure thrash band. Nothing like, say, Exodus was and is.


I think anything that ended up influencing directly groove metal will always be looked down upon by some. The same way gothenburg-style is for a lot of people since it "influenced" metalcore.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:27 am 
 

This album is a hard one for me. It's got the best production of any Megadeth album imo, but the songs are weaker than on the albums either side of it. It deserves the black album comparisons tbh, as that's clearly what Dave was aiming for, but where the black album got a full dose of that instantly-memorable arena metal songwriting, this was a second hit with a used needle (no pun Dave, lol). The more technical end of Countdown to Extinction was done way better on RIP, and the more melodic side of things hit its strides on Youthanasia. It's a transition album, and they're hard to perfect. There are some cool songs (and I do like Symphony of Destruction) but it's ultimately overlookable, which is sad because this was the album where Friedman and Menza really got their breathing room.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:39 am 
 

I could be called a Megadeth fan, but ultimately, this album has very decent staying power in spite of how overplayed it is. Ashes in Your Mouth, Skin O' My Teeth and Architecture of Aggression - those three I can spin pretty much endlessly. The rest is quite solid still, and there are no songs I'd call downright bad. You can hear that it was a bit of a dumbed-down record in the song structures, but I think it struck a fine line and it's still worth listening to 25 years later.

Countdown was the start of a new era for the band and I would call its success deserved. On the other hand Cryptic Writings turned 20 last month, and that is a much more divisive and interesting record to revisit IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:01 am 
 

Don't understand the complaining about this album. Yeah, it's not as fast and thrashy as some Megadeth stuff before it but who cares? The band had already done the thrash thing and wanted to make more hard rock-based heavy metal album and succeeded. A lot of people got introduced to Megadeth through Countdown as well.

There are a couple of weak tracks but a strong album overall. Some tracks may have been overplayed as singles when the album was new but certainly not to the extent of the Black Album. Personally I think this album has stood the test of time a bit better than the Black Album, and stands as Megadeth's best work along with Rust in Peace.

One more thing: the original CD version of this album is still very easy to find and cheap. Don't settle for the bullshit remixed version. Find a an original used copy and get that if you don't have it already.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:26 am 
 

I've always liked this album. Its structures are definitely more accessible but I like how they still put in some individual character with the samples, unique lyrical themes, and random instrumentation. On the flip side, the more commercial songwriting does strongly highlight the fact that Dave Mustaine was never going to be considered a commercial singer by any stretch of the imagination...
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I have a soft spot for this album, but "Hello me, meet the real me" in that voice is one of the most embarrassingly bad moments in metal imo.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:40 am 
 

This was one of the first metal albums that I listened to aged 14 way back in 2000. While there are several Megadeth albums that I would rate above it, I still think that it's a very solid album that has held up quite well over the years. Ashes In Your Mouth is one of my favourite songs by the band and there's other good stuff like Skin O' My Teeth and High Speed Dirt. I don't really see it as Mustaine's version of the Black Album as that record was a complete rejection of Metallica's style from their first four albums. Countdown is more accessible and streamlined than past efforts but it still has plenty of speed and fairly complex riffs and solos. For me, Cryptic Writings was Megadeth's actual attempt at a Black Album style record and although it is considerably weaker than Countdown, it's still not a total dud (unlike the album that followed it). Overall, Countdown To Extinction is a good example of how to make a more mainstream album without completely abandoning your earlier sound.

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Ohhhhh, its difficult to value that album. Let me at least say that this was my first bought cd back in 1996 when I was thirteen. I was listening to this album for one year every day and night until I bought my second cd, haha (in Kazakhstan where I was born and raised cds cost a lot of money in that time). I started to learn drumming from that album as well as my composing skills in metal founded on basis of Dave's songwriting of that era. Simply love that album and have a lot of good impressions and memories related to this.

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aloof wrote:

thoughts on Megadeth's "Black album"? they got a lot of slack for "toning down" and including a ballad then... not to mention the first ever cover NOT featuring Vic.


This is actually not even close to my favorite Megadeth album, but I like some stuff.

Also, what fucking ballad? There are no ballads on there. Unless we're getting seriously lax about what constitutes a "ballad" these days.
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Much better riffs than songs, the album where Mustaine's consistency really started to plummet (and it was never a strong point to begin with). But some of those riffs are amazing, often even better than the earlier material even if slower. Take the riffs of that album, the quality control and melody of Youthanasia, and the breadth of songwriting of Cryptic Writings and you'd have the perfect radio-metal album.

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Resident_Hazard wrote:
[This is actually not even close to my favorite Megadeth album, but I like some stuff.

Also, what fucking ballad? There are no ballads on there. Unless we're getting seriously lax about what constitutes a "ballad" these days.


Foreclosure of a Dream was a single and has acoustic guitar but has too much of a chug to be a ballad. This Was My Life is kinda somber but it's not a ballad by any means. The title track is a little sadder but I think it's a stretch to call that a traditonal power ballad...

Yeah, Megadeth wasn't exactly aiming for the Nothing Else Matters crowd until A Tout la Monde.
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for the record, I meant Foreclosure. we're getting seriously lax :)
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This was my first Megadeth album as well, my mom bought it when I was a little, little kid so it was one of the first metal albums I pulled off the shelf and listened to on my own when I got old enough to start listening to music alone in my room like every kid ever. I think it holds up pretty well, but I also like the Black Album so what the hell do I know?

Also, Foreclosure of a Dream is absolutely a ballad, I didn't even know that was up for debate. It's just an inverted version of The Unforgiven, because Dave will absolutely never, ever, ever let that grudge go and has spent his entire career trying to do what Metallica was doing but better. It has quiet verses and a loud chorus, just like how The Unforgiven had loud verses and a quiet chorus. I've always seen them as sister songs and I'm actually surprised that some people don't.

Anyway, it's got some great songs (Skin o' My Teeth, Ashes in Your Mouth, Countdown to Extinction, Foreclosure of a Dream), some really lame ones (Symphony of Destruction, Sweating Bullets, Captive Honour), some flawed ones that are cool anyway (Architecture of Aggression, High Speed Dirt), and a few that are just bland and forgettable (This Was My Life, Psychotron). As far as blatant sellouts go, you could do an awful lot worse. The title track is a total gem, that opening bassline and the guitar lead in the chorus are fucking sublime.
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I bought this CD through one of those mail catalog CD clubs. The only heavy metal I had heard at the time was Metallica, Black Sabbath and Pantera. I haven't listened to it start to finish in a very long time, but I remember it being one of the first albums of any genre that I was able to sing along to every track on. I think I was in 4th grade.

Favourite track is still This Was My Life. That chorus!

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This was the first Megadeth album I heard. My older brother had it when I was in my formative metal years. So for that reason, I have a lot of fond memories of the album and I still listen to it occasionally. Now I am not going to claim that it is in any way better than any of the albums that came before it. Rust in Peace is still my favorite Megadeth album, but I do enjoy this one quite a bit.

For what it is worth, I like this album better than the Metallica Black Album. Part of that might be that Megadeth is possibly my favorite band (Testament is possibly the most likely competition).
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It isn't a bad album, and in fact does the whole "selling out" thing a lot better than most equivalent albums. The issue is that it's just such a step down from Rust In Peace.
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Which shouldn't be an issue if the discussion is about an album. If the discussion is about consistency between albums, or something else not present on the album, then it would be an issue.

It's not like someone who's never heard Megadeth, then listens to Countdown to Extinction, would hear a step-down or change in style from some other album. So a step-down isn't an issue in a discussion about the album itself.

But people like to rate things higher/lower than the quality motivates, just because of various expectations. Sort of like when one is sick and all food tastes terrible, and then after getting better, even mediocre food tastes great for a while due to the change.

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It hasn't aged particularly well. I find Rust In Peace to be the better album.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:14 am 
 

Countdown is the Megadeth equivalent of Once Upon the Cross. It's watered down, the leads become redundant, and it really is the point where they attempt their mainstream breakthrough.
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