I thought lyrics didn't matter? HA!

I never said that they didn't matter, they do, as long as they are not Christian or whatsoever.

Alot of the black metal musicians that kids look up to these days come from christian backgrounds. Sure they may put all of that behind them and pretend to be grim and evil, but deep down they are good little christian boys. Take Varg for example. His birth name is Kristian. The meaning of the name Kristian originates from the words as follows. Follower of lord jesus christ. Yeah, he grew into his teen years and met some other outcasts and they all decided to pretend to be dark and evil. Kids do the strangest things.

Alot of the black metal musicians that kids look up to these days come from christian backgrounds. Sure they may put all of that behind them and pretend to be grim and evil, but deep down they are good little christian boys. Take Varg for example. His birth name is Kristian. The meaning of the name Kristian originates from the words as follows. Follower of lord jesus christ. Yeah, he grew into his teen years and met some other outcasts and they all decided to pretend to be dark and evil. Kids do the strangest things.

but don't paint yourself up like you're black metal and pose in graveyards. it's unoriginal and just weird for christian metal to do that).
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Unoriginal, Yes, no argument there. But weird for Christian metal to do that? I don't see why that would be the case. I mean how many of those gravestones have crosses or angels on them? and how many of those people were buried with Christian ceremonies? Also, Christian theology talks at length about the "death of the flesh" and things of that nature. The death and decay of our physical bodies is symbolic of those things. Thats just the way I look at it.

Unoriginal, Yes, no argument there. But weird for Christian metal to do that? I don't see why that would be the case. I mean how many of those gravestones have crosses or angels on them? and how many of those people were buried with Christian ceremonies? Also, Christian theology talks at length about the "death of the flesh" and things of that nature. The death and decay of our physical bodies is symbolic of those things. Thats just the way I look at it.

You can't put all of these man made rules on art. Metal has no rules.

Is there some sort of neo-Inquisitional/witch-skinning trend running through the unblack scene?

God it would be so much better if there were.

Oh look, I'm donating money to the church and buying unblack metal bands! I'm SUCH AN IDIOT!

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You guys are all sounding real childish you know? What you don't like Christianity so thus they can't sing about it? That poor Euronymous definition of BM having to have satanic lyrics is pretty much gone nowadays anyways. I mean look at Summoning, Immortal, and Drudkh, we have so many bands who don't sing about satan, that you're just sounding like "I HATE CHRISTIANITY SO NO BAND CAN SING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT METAL!" bullshit.

I never call these bands unblack, because if they are musically black metal, they are black metal so whether you like their ideology or not that doesn't change the genre. I don't see why BM is the only genre where the ideology is so important, especially considering nobody gets mad when a death metal band sings about a topic other than gore, stop acting like teenagers trying to rebel.

Does anyone else see the irony?

In black metal, the ideology is part of the whole thing, it's NOT only about the music, fucking get that! Does it have to be all satanic? No it doesn't, but it has to be against christianity in some way. It might be lyrics about dark old scary forests, cold fucking glaciers, paganism or straight out theistic satanism, that is all good, but it can NEVER EVER have anything to do with pro-christianity! So a band with christian views and/or lyrics, is NOT black metal.

Why not?

Why not?

Why, whatever could you mean?

I was merely referring to the fact that he refers to others as "fucking trolls" and "fucking idiots" when he is undoubtedly one of the two. Minus the fucking part of course, as I can't imagine he is very successful with the ladies.

Why not?

I never said that they didn't matter, they do, as long as they are not Christian or whatsoever. Like I said, pretty much all BM have anti-Christian symphaties, even though it can be possible that the lyrical subjects are not directly anti-Christian and-/or Satanic, occult etc. Satanic and anti-Christian lyrical subject are very important for black metal and pretty much define the genre.

Also, that picture of Antestor is pretty hilarious. Corpsepaint and wearing a Christian cross (not the crooked one), the other one also with corpsepaint and wearing a priest' robe. :')

I was merely referring to the fact that he refers to others as "fucking trolls" and "fucking idiots" when he is undoubtedly one of the two. Minus the fucking part of course, as I can't imagine he is very successful with the ladies.

Crimson Moonlight (Death/black, probably the best Christian band out there.)

Well, with the type of comments you leave here, you're either pretty slow and would refer to an idiot, or you're a troll.

And about the ladies, even if it's not your fucking business, you should ask my fiancé what she thinks about that, you fucking christian douche! Oh no, did I say the "F" word again? Well, fuck you!

Angel is obviously not a troll. Please treat his opinions with respect, or better yet, do not reply to him.

You seem to me to be one of those people that care more about the image of a band than the music. It doesn't matter how many 'rules' you set up to defend your precious anti-Christian black metal sentiments, because art (ESPECIALLY metal) has no rules.

Oh no! I have been offended by your vile swears!

He's not a troll but hes a moron.

To be serious though, I'm wondering where you got the idea that I would be offended by swearing.

You seem to me to be one of those people that care more about the image of a band than the music. It doesn't matter how many 'rules' you set up to defend your precious anti-Christian black metal sentiments, because art (ESPECIALLY metal) has no rules.

...Besides which, violence and death are a part of life, as we all know. So I don't know why it would be out of place for a Christian band to focus on those aspects of our existence. They would be more misguided if they completely avoided the subject. IMO.

I played in an Unblack band, and was the main lyricist. and I did my best to stay away from lyrics like those, and focus more on my view of the world through a christian perspective. I didn't want to be a "Crush Satan" band, nor did I just want to be a Blackened church worship band. Many of those bands tend to be generic and thrive off of the built in audience.

This whole thread is pretty pointless now because there is practically no discussion anymore, besides enghell666 and King_Hands having a bitchfight (hehe). I think this thread can be closed.