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Gemini 7 Rising
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:03 am 
 

Because I enjoyed the 'Favorite Enslaved' thread quite a bit, and Marduk, like Enslaved, have also released 14 full-lengths... And, also like them, have powered through many different phases (though perhaps not quite the stretch in range from roots to present-day) I'm curious what you like most.

I thought of this while listening to 'Those Of The Unlight', but I love modern-era Marduk as well as classic, and I think there are some wicked gems in the mid-era as well (ROM 5:12 and Wormwood come to mind)... So yes, a fairly diverse band who've never weakened in my estimation. What's their best work, in your opinion?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:42 am 
 

The only album I've listened to is Plague Angel which is a fucking killer album. I loved the doomy riffs and the super grim atmosphere. Do any other Marduk albums equal or even better it?

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frostyj66
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:52 am 
 

As much as I love most of the Mortuus-era output my all-time fav is still Opus Nocturne. That album just had a special vibe about it, the production was perfect for the songs and Joakim's vocals were akin to spitting venom and hatred.

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DecemberSoul
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:30 am 
 

For me, their best album is Those..., for it has the most engaged riffs/songwriting; the most "colourful" sounding of theirs, so to speak.
The most important one in my formative years was Heaven shall..., though. The immense amounts of hatred and contempt contained therein really supported me mentally whenever I was on my way to school.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:26 am 
 

Plague Angel is their beat IMO.

A solid discography all arround but i really hated Viktoria. That one just doesn't work for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:59 am 
 

I dont reckon this thread will get the same traction as the Enslaved one, Enslaved are just a much more varied band to discuss. Anyway...

DecemberSoul wrote:
The most important one in my formative years was Heaven shall..., though. The immense amounts of hatred and contempt contained therein really supported me mentally whenever I was on my way to school.


Yeah, this is kind of how I feel. I haven't listened to the Mortuus era stuff a hell of a lot, and I suspect they became a better band through this era, but as it stands Heaven Shall Burn is the pinnacle of unrelenting brutality of Marduk that I am familiar with.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:21 pm 
 

100% Opus Nocturne. Epic from start to finish, they never really sounded like this again.

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Xymosys
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:14 pm 
 

simple as pie - Dark Endless... that creepy atmosphere, that genius cover art!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:19 pm 
 

DecemberSoul wrote:
For me, their best album is Those..., for it has the most engaged riffs/songwriting; the most "colourful" sounding of theirs, so to speak.


I'm 100% with you on this one. it's the ultimate "classic" marduk album for me. close 2nd tier for me is frontschwein however. did not see this one coming, such an old band releasing such a killer album that late in their career. I'm personally not too fond of mortuus-era marduk, notable exceptions being frontschwein, serpent sermon, and viktoria (kind of).
in general I'd say that marduk's discography is, of course, somewhat hit or miss, but less so than enslaved for example. marduk have managed to surprise me again from time to time, whereas enslaved's stylistic shift means i'll likely never enjoy a new album by them.
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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:32 pm 
 

I agree with the OP, they have been through so many different phases and yet many people accuse them of being one-dimensional... hey ho.
I have a very soft spot indeed for 'Plague angel' as it was my gateway album (and thus Marduk was my gateway band) into black metal as a whole, and that thing still rips like a vicious motherfucker all these years later. But really, I can find something to love in all their records, with only 'Le grande danse macabre' and 'Wormwood' dipping slightly below the others in my personal taste.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:22 pm 
 

Gemini 7 Rising wrote:
Because I enjoyed the 'Favorite Enslaved' thread quite a bit, and Marduk, like Enslaved, have also released 14 full-lengths... And, also like them, have powered through many different phases (though perhaps not quite the stretch in range from roots to present-day) I'm curious what you like most.
I thought of this while listening to 'Those Of The Unlight', but I love modern-era Marduk as well as classic, and I think there are some wicked gems in the mid-era as well (ROM 5:12 and Wormwood come to mind)... So yes, a fairly diverse band who've never weakened in my estimation. What's their best work, in your opinion?

There you go:
https://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=119211

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booK_of_blood
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:35 pm 
 

Those of the Unlight, without a doubt. Majestic and unique...

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Acidgobblin
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:43 pm 
 

Heaven Shall Burn . . . has a unique place for me, being the first album of Marduk's that I heard. And it is truly an underrated killer of an album, possibly let down by Legion's pretty monotonous vocals. Awesome bass lines.

PDM was a favorite at the time; I gotta say that it has aged terribly. I think everyone from Rom 5.12 would be their best era, Wormwood was fucking fantastic. Serpent Sermon didn't do much for me, but Frontschwein and Viktoria have been improvements. I've actually really enjoyed Viktoria; its pretty simple and minimal at times, but really well done. A solid 7.5/10.
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Gemini 7 Rising
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:14 pm 
 

into_the_pit wrote:
marduk have managed to surprise me again from time to time, whereas enslaved's stylistic shift means i'll likely never enjoy a new album by them.


Have to agree, I may not ever be into Enslaved again bc of how completely they embraced the progressive rock/metal elements. Nothing against them, of course, it's an artist's right to do whatever they damn well please as long as it's honest & true to them, but they lost me somewhere around Vertebrae or earlier, I guess. And I never could get into Monumension.

To keep it about Marduk though, it seems the roots of their... "intentions" is probably a better word than "sound" because sound in much more a matter of opinion, but their intentions seem to be unholy blasphemous black metal from Day 1.
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LycanthropeMoon
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:38 pm 
 

"Those of the Unlight" by a mile. Perfect album, right down to the cover art! Plenty of speed and intensity, but also...you know, actual dynamics.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:36 am 
 

Opus Nocturne, for me. I wouldn't say that they have one absolute classic that towers above the others but Opus... is where it all came together in a cohesive way and still retained the variation, subtlety and highly memorable songwriting. While the debut is good (some cool atmospheric moments) and Those of the Unlight is great (still young-sounding, but with much greater focus), Opus... is where they find their feet and it's probably got Dan Swano's best production job, too. The addition of a much better, tighter drummer worked wonders, too.

That said, I like pretty much all their eras, with the stuff between Panzer Division Marduk and Plague Angel just being boring rather than outright bad. Of course, some albums are weaker - Wormwood doesn't appeal to me much, either - but overall their discography lacks any outright crap albums. For a second album, I'd probably take Those of the Unlight, which has a unique atmosphere and sound (would it be weird to say it sounds somewhere between Sweden and Greece?).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:35 am 
 

Lagartija wrote:
I agree with the OP, they have been through so many different phases and yet many people accuse them of being one-dimensional... hey ho.


I too agree with this. People who are writing Marduk off based solely on Panzer Division Marduk and accuse the band of being nothing more than mindless blasting norsecore are fucking cretins. In fact I don't think that any of their albums sound alike.

That being said I have a hard time picking out a favorite album because I like all of them (although La Grande Danse Macabre and World Funeral admittedly are slightly more boring than the rest of the discography).

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Sick6Six
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:27 am 
 

Not surprised to see "Those" be mentioned so much, I agree it's close and that may have been my favorite at one point, but Opus, just feels like a more refined continuation of that... It even haves Wolves part II. I must say that World Funeral is underrated, it's got some badass slow songs and one of the sickest riffs ever in the middle of Night of the Long Knives. A lot of their other albums such as Wormwood and Rom 512 have a couple AMAZING songs (Cold Mouth Prayer) which made the overall album worthwhile just because those songs were so good.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:52 am 
 

I'm always a fan of atmosphere, variety and complex songwriting, but Panzer Division Marduk is one of the few cases where relentlessness and pure adrenaline win over the qualities mentioned before.

I've never quite found an album so aggressive, obtuse but at the same time engaging as it, and while i like several of their more varied works (Opus, ...Heaven and World Funeral in particular) it's still the dumb, unstoppable steel tank that gets the most plays :)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:14 pm 
 

Morn Of Solace wrote:
I've never quite found an album so aggressive, obtuse but at the same time engaging as it, and while i like several of their more varied works (Opus, ...Heaven and World Funeral in particular) it's still the dumb, unstoppable steel tank that gets the most plays :)



https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/S ... Arrogance/

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:14 pm 
 

Those of the Unlight
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:29 pm 
 

I'll go with ROM 5:12 which is my favorite and La Grande Danse Macabre is a close second. I'm HUGE on their mid tempo songs and these two albums have a ton of them. ROM is grim as fuck and La Grande Danse Macabre is the album I learned to do black metal vocals from.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:21 am 
 

Morn Of Solace wrote:
I'm always a fan of atmosphere, variety and complex songwriting, but Panzer Division Marduk is one of the few cases where relentlessness and pure adrenaline win over the qualities mentioned before.

I've never quite found an album so aggressive, obtuse but at the same time engaging as it, and while i like several of their more varied works (Opus, ...Heaven and World Funeral in particular) it's still the dumb, unstoppable steel tank that gets the most plays :)


Yeah, agreed - I wanted to go for kvlt points and say 'no albums, just track three on the Glorification EP' or something, but Panzer Division Marduk is the one. It's also great for introducing people to black metal, as some of the vocals are actually quite clear - altogether now; "CHRISTRAAAAAAPIIIIIIING BLAAAAAAAACK METAAAAL" !
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:50 am 
 

Those of the Unlight is my favorite. But I'm hardly a big Marduk fan as I just don't care much for that hyper-aggresive black metal sound they normally do. But Those of the Unlight is more restrained and even has some nice melodic and melancholic moments that they never really attempted again. Some parts on the album even remind me a little of older Katatonia, strangely enough. I wish they had continued with this sound/style, but oh well.

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Wow, guys. I love World Funeral.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:54 pm 
 

Opus nocturne or dark endless.
Not a fan of their releases after heaven shall burn.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:16 pm 
 

Easily Those of the Unlight, though I only like that album and Opus Nocturne from them.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:29 pm 
 

My all time favourite black metal band and the band that introduced me to the genre. Can't believe nobody has mentioned Nightwing yet, what a great album. The first half has some of the best blasting Marduk songs and the second half is a brilliant concept with more varied songs. Love the riffs onthis album. The re-recording of Deme Quaden Thyrane is fantastic too.


For my favourite though I'd have to go with Heaven Shall Burn. This album has it all in my opinion, riffs, songs, drumming, cool bass lines, atmosphere. Morgan never wrote riffs like this again, so technical compared to their other albums but also melodic and memorable. I saw them play this album in its entirety last year and they played it even faster!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:24 pm 
 

Le Grande Danse Macabre
Heard this the night before I saw them open for Deicide/Hate Eternal back in 2001 at Maritime Hall in SF.
They actually sounded better live than on the CD.

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Sick6Six wrote:
I must say that World Funeral is underrated, it's got some badass slow songs and one of the sickest riffs ever in the middle of Night of the Long Knives.


On iTunes, I have the start time for this song set to the moment when that section begins. The damn riff is amazing but it's just so out of place, it sounds like an entirely different band wrote it.
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