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Jonpo
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:05 pm

Grind is subject to the laws of subjectivity just like everything else, with the exception of Horrified. If you don't love Horrified there is something very, very, wrrroonnng with you (read like Bill Murray in Stripes).

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kingnuuuur
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:09 pm

Grind has an honorary branch on my Metal family tree (stupid shit like Anal Cunt left out of course).

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DieAfvallig
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:23 pm

Can anyone point me towards notable grind band or three that would be too 'punk' for these archives? Compared to my interest in black and death, im merely a casual grind fan, but cant think of one i have heard that is 'punk-like'.

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deicidefan
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:28 pm

DieAfvallig wrote:

Phobia.

edit: actually i checked all the band names and found it so nevermind.

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kingnuuuur
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:30 pm

DieAfvallig wrote:

http://www.myspace.com/sorethroatpunk

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Jonpo
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:40 pm

kingnuuuur wrote:

DieAfvallig wrote:

http://www.myspace.com/sorethroatpunk

Yeah, that was the first one that came to mind for me as well. The swiss Fear of God (aka the real Fear of God) are also worth looking into, especially if you hate music.

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DieAfvallig
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:49 pm

Thanks all. I have one more question: where would a band such as hymen holocaust fit in the metal punk spectrum? Musically speaking of course- lyrically its some sort of porno gore.

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Jonpo
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:55 pm

The first few songs on their myspace actually sounds like pretty tame hardcore (maybe some Nardcore skate-punk influence?). Weird name for a band with this sound.

Slight Slappers and Bathtub Shitter aren't on the archives either, I'm sure the Chainsaw Justice clique could come up with a huge list.

edit: Apparently Slight Slappers are powerviolence. That's what happens when you reference bands you don't actually know dick about.

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HumanWaste5150
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:58 pm

most important band would be Disrupt that isn't on the archives.

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Lamb Chop
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:00 pm

It's all about early Napalm Death for me.

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WolfieboyMachi
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:18 pm

HumanWaste5150 wrote:

most important band would be Disrupt that isn't on the archives.

Another notable band is "Last Days of Humanity".
Basicly the most brutal of brutal.
They're so brutal that in a way, they aren't brutal.

They've passed the stage of brutality.

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~Guest 98976
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:26 pm

WolfieboyMachi wrote:

HumanWaste5150 wrote:

most important band would be Disrupt that isn't on the archives.

Another notable band is "Last Days of Humanity".
Basicly the most brutal of brutal.
They're so brutal that in a way, they aren't brutal.

They've passed the stage of brutality.

They are so brutal that their brutality is retroactive?

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Jonpo
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:31 pm

I really dig what I've heard of the first LDoH album, mostly because they still had a somewhat organic sounding production. After that the guitars get completely lost in the wall-o-sound for me and I sort of lose interest. Hard to believe they aren't on the archives. I wonder if Carcass and Regurgitate hadn't released anything past their debut full-lengths if they would be excluded as well...

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Vileblitz
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:50 pm

funny I find it to be overrated in the underground at least

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Bolth_Mannn
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:50 pm

I for one don't understand how people can stand the vocals of terrorizer.

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Bolth_Mannn
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:52 pm

I for one don't understand how people can stand the vocals of terrorizer.

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MetalManiak666
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:55 pm

Aaron713 wrote:

More recent grind like Agoraphobic Nosebleed tends to rely primarily on blasting 890703578905789003 bpm.

Hahaha a little bit exaggerating don't you think?...

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MetalHeadNorm
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:38 pm

MetalManiak666 wrote:

Aaron713 wrote:

More recent grind like Agoraphobic Nosebleed tends to rely primarily on blasting 890703578905789003 bpm.

Hahaha a little bit exaggerating don't you think?...

Sounds about that fast to me as well, give or take 1000 bpm

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We oughta change your title to "Flash! The Fastest Man on the Board!"

What do you mean by that? How quickly I reply?

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FredSanford
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:50 pm

Jonpo wrote:

I guess not as many people lurk in the grindcore help thread as I would have originally assumed.

I lurk there. I recently read the thread top to bottom.

Lots of great info and I learned about some awesome bands. :beer:

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The_Beast_in_Black
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:38 pm

Shantideva wrote:

...and I think I speak for many metalheads here...

No. No, you do not.

Bolth_Mannn wrote:

I for one don't understand how people can stand the vocals of terrorizer.

I for one don't understand how people can't stand the vocals of Terrorizer.

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mentalselfmutilation
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:19 pm

Quoth Agathocles: Grind is Protest.

But yes, it's more a punk subgenre. Even the pornogrind, goregrind, cybergrind, and powerviolence genres while having some influences in death metal, industrial, and thrash metal are essentially hybrids and deviations of grindcore with said influences.

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Bolth_Mannn
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:21 pm

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:

Shantideva wrote:

...and I think I speak for many metalheads here...

No. No, you do not.

Bolth_Mannn wrote:

I for one don't understand how people can stand the vocals of terrorizer.

I for one don't understand how people can't stand the vocals of Terrorizer.

im not gonna bother replying to your ignorance.

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The_Beast_in_Black
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:22 pm

When you call someone ignorant, it's generally wise to make sure you use some half-decent grammar.

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ScourgeOfDeath
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:24 pm

Bolth_Mannn wrote:

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:

Bolth_Mannn wrote:

I for one don't understand how people can stand the vocals of terrorizer.

I for one don't understand how people can't stand the vocals of Terrorizer.

im not gonna bother replying to your ignorance.

You just did. Zing!

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Nolan_B
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:36 pm

This thread lacks Blood. To me, they are the quintessential grind band. They came at the peak of grindcore, and pretty much summed it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85P8dvx20E

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mentalselfmutilation
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:09 am

Nolan_B wrote:

This thread lacks Blood. To me, they are the quintessential grind band. They came at the peak of grindcore, and pretty much summed it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85P8dvx20E

Yes! Blood is absolutely essential to any grind collection. Such amazing stuff. Still need to get this.

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Carcass101
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:09 am

Obviously from my username, I'm a huge fan of Carcass when they were a "grind" band. So no, there's nothing wrong with grindcore at all! Some of it is quite good, in fact.

Nolan_B wrote:

This thread lacks Blood. To me, they are the quintessential grind band. They came at the peak of grindcore, and pretty much summed it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85P8dvx20E

Blood is fucking phenomenal. "Gas. Flames. Bones" is one of my favorite albums of all time. Another good "grindy" German band is Naked Whipper.

For truly punk-inspired grind (or grind-inspired punk?) I'd go with Doom. Great band indeed.

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The_Beast_in_Black
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:20 am

Sadly enough, I've never given much of a listen to Blood or to Doom, but I'm intending to rectify that as soon as I can!

What Doom album is best?

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Carcass101
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:34 am

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:

Sadly enough, I've never given much of a listen to Blood or to Doom, but I'm intending to rectify that as soon as I can!

What Doom album is best?

Oh man, you gotta get into Doom. Think about it; they're the band associated with the word "Doom", meaning they have to be good! Sort of like how Mayhem is Mayhem, Blood is Blood, Death is Death, etc etc... many have been called those names, but those are the bands that are most known under them. Get my meaning?

I'd suggest the "Total Doom" CD to someone who is new to them, as I think it has their first couple of albums on it. "Police Bastard" is their quintessential song, so if you want the band summed up in like 1:30, just listen to it. They developed more into a sort of "grind" later than this material, but start from there and just go with it. I promise you won't be disappointed!

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Wet Pussy
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:49 am

The Doom/Selfish split is the best!

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Carcass101
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:52 am

Wet Pussy wrote:

The Doom/Selfish split is the best!

You are clearly a man of taste.

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The_Beast_in_Black
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:38 am

Thanks for the rec, I'll be sure to give it a looksie.

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Wet Pussy
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:07 am

Carcass101 wrote:

Wet Pussy wrote:

The Doom/Selfish split is the best!

You are clearly a man of taste.

2 years on the MA forums and the first time someone ever said something like that to me :lol:

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ScourgeOfDeath
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:20 am

I ll admit that my pitiful grind knowledge is limited to the more popular bands like Napalm Death, Carcass, Extreme Noise Terror etc. Mainly the bands which owe atleast some of their fame to John Peel. Other than that there is just a few bands I discovered thanks to grindcore help thread. Most bands of the genre dont suit me much. Not to mention the fact that most grind songs are minuscle and I dont think I have ever been able to see a grind album as one slab of music..

That said grind seems more interesting as a genre than the usual brutal death stuff mainly because the grind bands know when you re supposed to shut up. The 1 to 2 min songs are what suits the genre perfectly. Too bad most bands go for much shorter lengths than that.

Wet Pussy wrote:

Carcass101 wrote:

Wet Pussy wrote:

The Doom/Selfish split is the best!

You are clearly a man of taste.

2 years on the MA forums and the first time someone ever said something like that to me :lol:

Dont worry pal. He doesnt know you as much we all do. He ll learn.

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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:35 am

I have a strong dislike for this Goregrind/Porno trend. There's a few good reasons why, too. First, I have a strong dislike towrads the tough guy attitude. 2: Most of these bands are so infectuous with generic slams, boring groovy riffs and blast beats that go nowhere; Vocals that you can only decipher as "breee- breee-breee(and sometimes there's not even any lyrics at all...)" don't help very much either. And lastly the lyrics are childish and rely soley on shock value. Quite frankly I would rather watch some old B movie slasher flick for this kind of entertainment.

Gimmie some ols-school Bolt Thrower, or Napalm Death's Scum any day :nods:

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The_Beast_in_Black
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:40 am

You just described slam/deathcore, not goregrind. Goregrind sounds almost nothing like what you just described.

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Miseria_Cantare
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:28 am

I love grind of any type, but it gets old fast. I could listen to death metal for days, but listening to grindcore for more than thirty minutes at a time is a pain in the ass. For example, Nadir by Abaddon Incarnate goes for 43 minutes, which makes the album far less enjoyable because most of the tracks are very repetitive. However if it had been fifteen minutes shorter it'd be one of my favourite albums.

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The_Beast_in_Black
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:57 am

Most good grind albums are fairly short. Most good hardcore and crust albums in general are pretty short.

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HumanWaste5150
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:17 am

Jello Biafra from a Max RNR interview wrote:

There are threads of it, but punk has gotten so popular that the name gets attached to all sorts of things — everything from Jawbreaker to Brutal Truth. There are all kinds of communities there, all net-working with each other. None of them are as tight culturally as the death metal community where you have people in Norway swapping tapes with people in Malaysia, and all the bands sound more than a little bit alike. And isn't it ironic that death metal is the first form of rock music that has caught on with poor people over the world. When I was in Brazil, I was told that all rock music and punk was scorned by the people of the slums. It didn't speak to them. They thought of it as a bourgeois [art] form they didn't want to have anything to do with. They would rather listen to samba or death metal. Death metal is popular from Moldavia to Cuba...Partly because in the grindcore form it's easy to play and have a lot of attitude and fun with it. Also the violent and anti-Christian imagery has a world wide appeal.

Although he takes of death metal, he seems to hit toward old school death metal and grindcore. I think that's everything that's wrong with grindcore for some and that's everything that some people love about grindcore. It's angry, fast and fun. You won't see most grindcore bands trying to justify an extreme form of music by claiming " hey look a lot of stuff we do has elements from jazz and classical" like so many death metal bands.

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Craggzy
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:17 am

Hymen Holocaust are great.

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