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anticimex
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:09 pm 
 

Anyone knows any metal bands of any sort playing d-beat ? Just found out about an old satanic power metal band called Satans Host and they played d-beat in Metal From Hell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lUQInRwRdI

Angel Witch plays KIND OF d-beat in Sweet Danger, but not really.
Also the melody section in Purgatory by Iron Maiden sounds what I suspect being d-beat but the floor tom is not loud enough for me to hear if its straight or played in real d-beat, but I hope so hehe!

Anyone wondering D-beat is an "invention" by Discharge in 1980 (but it has been played before by Buzzcocks but Discharge made it "their thing") on their first EP


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rexxz
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:10 pm 
 

Uh, try almost every metal band from mid 80s to early 90s, and then some before and after.

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Lamb Chop
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:11 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
Uh, try almost every metal band from mid 80s to early 90s, and then some before and after.
yep.

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anticimex
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:12 pm 
 

NO NO NO

I mean "real" d-beat, as Discharge played it BEFORE Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing LP. The "real" d-beat has a whole other feeling to it, but people seems to mishear how its played.

Not just fast and with triol kicks, but when the cymbal and hihat follows that pattern too...

The Metal From Hell is played with the third hihat hit on the snare, but its still three hits instead of four straights


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Mateilkrist
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:13 pm 
 

Napalm Death have been using D-beats throughout their entire existence.

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Lamb Chop
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:15 pm 
 

Mateilkrist wrote:
Napalm Death have been using D-beats throughout their entire existence.
So have 90% of old school death metal bands.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:15 pm 
 

anticimex wrote:
NO NO NO

I mean "real" d-beat, as Discharge played it BEFORE Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing LP. The "real" d-beat has a whole other feeling to it, but people seems to mishear how its played.

Not just fast and with triol kicks, but when the cymbal and hihat follows that pattern too...

The Metal From Hell is played with the third hihat hit on the snare, but its still three hits instead of four straights


Yes... and that's what I'm talking about too. It's incredibly common in metal during those times, yes the "real" d-beat.

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anticimex
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:16 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
anticimex wrote:
NO NO NO

I mean "real" d-beat, as Discharge played it BEFORE Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing LP. The "real" d-beat has a whole other feeling to it, but people seems to mishear how its played.

Not just fast and with triol kicks, but when the cymbal and hihat follows that pattern too...

The Metal From Hell is played with the third hihat hit on the snare, but its still three hits instead of four straights


Yes... and that's what I'm talking about too. It's incredibly common in metal during those times, yes the "real" d-beat.


Haha 90%???? I found it to be a REAL rarity.
Give me some examples

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Lamb Chop
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:19 pm 
 

Swedish death metal is FULL of it! The "real" d beat has been used by countless thrash and death metal bands. It's even mentioned in the swedish death metal book.

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Dragunov
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:23 pm 
 

Hahaha fake d-beats, this is golden.

Anyways, try out some of G.I.S.M.'s later material. It has more of a punk rock/thrash feel to it, and is a little darker and less "weird" than their stuff released around the Detestation era. The sound quality may be a little challenging, but it's nothing unlistenable. Actually, if you haven't heard their first LP, at least check into it for shits and giggles.

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anticimex
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:25 pm 
 

Dragunov wrote:
Hahaha fake d-beats, this is golden.

Anyways, try out some of G.I.S.M.'s later material. It has more of a punk rock/thrash feel to it, and is a little darker and less "weird" than their stuff released around the Detestation era. The sound quality may be a little challenging, but it's nothing unlistenable. Actually, if you haven't heard their first LP, at least check into it for shits and giggles.


Yeah at least their song A.B.C Weapons features d-beat... Other than that one I don't think I have heard any. But I would consider that song more punk than metal anyway so it doesn't really fit into the catogeri

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cultofkraken
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:04 pm 
 

Try Malveillance from Quebec, D-Beat Black Metal.
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MorbidSepulDeath
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:35 pm 
 

Check out Disgust from the UK. They are usually referred to as crustcore. Also, the vocalist is the guy from Extreme Noise Terror and one of the guitarists, Wurzel, use to play with Motorhead.

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newp
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:47 pm 
 

I prefer metal bands that use fake d-beats.

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hellhammer161
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:52 pm 
 

War Ripper uses D beats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prw2oHjYCRs
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~Guest 123274
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:55 pm 
 

Would the last few Darkthrone albums count?

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hellhammer161
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:57 pm 
 

Noctir wrote:
Would the last few Darkthrone albums count?


I would. It is metal with d beats.
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eternal_sin666
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:34 pm 
 

Fake d beats hahahaha? Where did the name d beat come from though? I've always heard it referred to as a skank beat except on certain metal or punk forums.

And yes old school death metal is full of them and black/thrash too etc.

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~Guest 123274
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:48 pm 
 

hellhammer161 wrote:
Noctir wrote:
Would the last few Darkthrone albums count?


I would. It is metal with d beats.


I wasn't sure, since no one had mentioned it though it was the first thing I thought of.

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~Guest 98561
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:40 pm 
 

anticimex wrote:
NO NO NO

I mean "real" d-beat, as Discharge played it BEFORE Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing LP. The "real" d-beat has a whole other feeling to it, but people seems to mishear how its played.

Not just fast and with triol kicks, but when the cymbal and hihat follows that pattern too...

The Metal From Hell is played with the third hihat hit on the snare, but its still three hits instead of four straights


A guy from Sweden named Anti Cimex, you can't really get better credentials for a discussion on d-beat.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:45 pm 
 

:lol: credentials for discussing a drum technique

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CrippledLucifer
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:58 pm 
 

OP is probably going to like Dishammer.
Seriously, check them, they are the musical definition of awesome and badass.
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Lamb Chop
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:01 pm 
 

I'm not sure if this about the drum beat or the style of music referred to as d-beat.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:04 pm 
 

It's definitely about the drum technique, as the first post indicates.

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Stronthor
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:06 pm 
 

CrippledLucifer wrote:
OP is probably going to like Dishammer.
Seriously, check them, they are the musical definition of awesome and badass.

I immediately thought of the same band when I saw the topic title. they are quite the awesomeness indeed.

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Lamb Chop
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:09 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
It's definitely about the drum technique, as the first post indicates.
If it is about the drum technique then I stand by what I said earlier that 90% of thrash and death metal bands used this back in the day.

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:11 pm 
 

Of course they did, I also said something very close to that. I don't know what the OP is on about, talking about some "fake d-beats"... lol.

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Lamb Chop
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:12 pm 
 

rexxz wrote:
Of course they did, I also said something very close to that. I don't know what the OP is on about, talking about some "fake d-beats"... lol.
Yeah, I'm quite confused myself.

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~Guest 98561
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:47 pm 
 

Stronthor wrote:
CrippledLucifer wrote:
OP is probably going to like Dishammer.
Seriously, check them, they are the musical definition of awesome and badass.

I immediately thought of the same band when I saw the topic title. they are quite the awesomeness indeed.


Definitely agreed, I think I'll put vintage addiction on right now.

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MaliciousAwesome
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:14 pm 
 

I think the OP think's that 'fake' d-beats are like four straight cymbal hits with snare hits on 2 and 4 and bass hits on 1 and 3? I don't know..
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nuclearg0d
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:17 pm 
 

Is the "thrash" beat a sort of d-beat or what? I mean the one with double kicks on 3rd beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM_WUsvpm_8

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Thrashedtofuck
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:23 am 
 

nuclearg0d wrote:
Is the "thrash" beat a sort of d-beat or what? I mean the one with double kicks on 3rd beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM_WUsvpm_8


No.

But I would call this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b97LFe7Xphk a d-beat

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mentalselfmutilation
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:59 pm 
 

TehAvocado wrote:
anticimex wrote:
NO NO NO

I mean "real" d-beat, as Discharge played it BEFORE Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing LP. The "real" d-beat has a whole other feeling to it, but people seems to mishear how its played.

Not just fast and with triol kicks, but when the cymbal and hihat follows that pattern too...

The Metal From Hell is played with the third hihat hit on the snare, but its still three hits instead of four straights


A guy from Sweden named Anti Cimex, you can't really get better credentials for a discussion on d-beat.


:lol: can't argue with that logic.

D-Beat metal? Fuck! Iron Maiden does it, Motorhead as well...Discharge just made it their own...and the swedes mastered it.

It's a drum beat that's common in both genres. The whole thought of d-beat metal is kind of odd to me, especially when it often refers to various metalpunk like War Ripper, Dishammer, etc that obviously worship Discharge.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:54 pm 
 

Try stuff like Hellshock and Nuclear Death Terror

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVtyKdn ... re=related

or if thats not what your looking for try Inepsy, Children of Technology, and Midnight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jmtJCxGOYY
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:35 pm 
 

hellhammer161 wrote:

As does Grind's other side-project Tiger Junkies.

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DemonoftheFall1143
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:35 pm 
 

As I open this topic, the first riff from the Sarke album has d-deats. They are seriously EVERYWHERE in metal.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:45 pm 
 

THRASHEADEREK wrote:
hellhammer161 wrote:

As does Grind's other side-project Tiger Junkies.


Toxic Holocaust has utilized the d-beat in some songs. Joel has a lot of influence from bands like Discharge, GBH, The Exploited, etc and the punk community as a whole. He originally listened to punk before he was exposed to metal, and used to play in Grave Mistake before forming Toxic Holocaust and his other side projects.
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anticimex
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:37 am 
 

AAAARGH seriously no you don't seem to get it!

I mean the original Discharge type d-beat.

NOT the one with straight cymbal or hihat (as Discharge would start to use themselves later).

The hihat or cymbal is supposed to follow the basdrum, AND NOT BE PLAYED STRAIGHT FOUR HITS!


HERE YOU HAVE THE REAL D-BEAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! So stop saying that 90% av all metal bands use it because the most you talking about have straight cymbal or hihat like Motörhead but that doesn't count in on this topic.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:08 am 
 

anticimex wrote:
AAAARGH seriously no you don't seem to get it!

I mean the original Discharge type d-beat.

NOT the one with straight cymbal or hihat (as Discharge would start to use themselves later).

The hihat or cymbal is supposed to follow the basdrum, AND NOT BE PLAYED STRAIGHT FOUR HITS!


HERE YOU HAVE THE REAL D-BEAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! So stop saying that 90% av all metal bands use it because the most you talking about have straight cymbal or hihat like Motörhead but that doesn't count in on this topic.
BUZZCOCKS - YOU TEAR ME UP
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No, YOU don't seem to get it. I watched that lame Buzzcocks video you posted and YES that SAME beat has been used by tons of metal bands. I know you are caught up on the cymbal hits, but listen closely to thrash and death metal and you will hear that many bands are playing the same exact beat even with the same cymbal hits. I'm not just talking out of my ass, I am a drummer myself.

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rabidmadman
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:19 am 
 

after hearing that song, I now see where he's coming from. That rest in between the cymbal/hihat does not seem that common. At first I was about to tell the op to listen to Into the Crypts of Rays - Celtic Frost, but that is not the same d-beat. I can't think of any particular songs w/ that style d-beat. I'm not a real drummer myself..just fuck around every once in a while...and I've always played the cymbal/hihat as straight 1/4 notes.

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