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Andy_Christ
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:29 pm 
 

Who is really killing it right now with pushing the genre further? The last band I remember really expanding the sound was Deathspell Omega and I haven't caught anyone else going to those new levels as of late. Sadly what I seem to hear and find most often is bands simply emulating the DSO sound which is similar to what occurred in the 90's. Would really love to see some discussion on this and identify who is pushing boundaries currently.

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John_Sunlight
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:14 pm 
 

The most copied band right now is probably Summoning. With the advance of cheap, decent sounding midi software a lot of bands are now making simplistic Summoning themed metal. And the WTC sound is pretty big right now, which of course is very DSO and Portal influenced. Cavernous and dissonant are the key adjectives in black metal at this time. Not my cup-o-tea really.

As for individual bands that are making big artistic moves within the black metal framework? Summoning of course are still the unparalleled masters of their industrially precise, yet fantastical and poetic style of ambient black metal. Nokturnal Mortum created a fresh take on folk/black by blending the styles more smoothly and adding ambient and rock elements to make a more adventurous and less frollicky sound. The last three albums are in this style.

Thy Catafalque is most unique and interesting band I can think of atm. You can pick out individual elements of their sound which can be identified as coming from electronic music or eastern European folk music or trad black metal or classic heavy metal, but it's all so smoothly blended and tastefully subdued that it's a kind of black metal unique to them. The whole catalog is great, but get's better as you go on.

Dodheimsgard made the first genuinely successful version of what Mayhem's been trying to do since "Ordo Ad Chao" with "A Umbra Omega": which is thinly produced, off-kilter, with weird riffs, strange drones, and a vocal delivery akin to a one man show about a drug trip. They achieved this by means of going into the metal backwards through a dark jazz lens, though it has been tried by others using traditional black metal, electronic, and drone sensibilities.

Nachtgeblut's most recent album is the best fusion of black metal and classical music I've seen as well, in that it doesn't sacrifice one for the other, or just have the two playing simultaneously over, rather Evigne composed the songs like short classical pieces with central themes and variations filling out the run time giving the album as a whole a linear narrative structure.

I believe the Vaivatar and Wampyrinacht albums from this year could also become benchmarks as they both made some really amazing original material without really introducing anything new or alien into BM and without going the route of just emphasizing one element of BM to an extreme degree (like, making BM with the WEIRDEST riffs or the most LUSCIOUS synths or the HARSHEST dissonance). Vaivatar shows how much variety you can have with just the basic elements of ye old Emperor style symphonic black metal if you have a little humor, aren't afraid of catchy riffs, and have some dramatic sensibilities. Wampyrinacht on the other hand, showed how much you can do with the residual traditional metal elements contained within second wave black metal, and how much character you can give a black metal composition with melody, creative leads, fills, and presentation.

Except for Nok Mort and Summoning none of these bands are influencing very many others... I also think Sigh, The Meads of Asphodel, Tengger Cavalry, Tjolgtjar, Alpha Drone, and Arkona are making pretty unique and interesting stuff, but their work steps a bit wide of the scope of black metal.
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Twisted_Psychology
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:20 pm 
 

Oranssi Pazuzu is the first one that comes to mind for me. I need to explore their back catalogue but the one they put out last year was incredible stuff.
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John_Sunlight
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:31 pm 
 

Almost forgot: though I don't care for it, A Forest of Star's last couple of releases are the first serious attempts to combine Current 93's crappy sing-song neofolk with cheesy black metal. It's about what you expect. :P
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jimbies
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:32 pm 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
Thy Catafalque is most unique and interesting band I can think of atm. You can pick out individual elements of their sound which can be identified as coming from electronic music or eastern European folk music or trad black metal or classic heavy metal, but it's all so smoothly blended and tastefully subdued that it's a kind of black metal unique to them. The whole catalog is great, but get's better as you go on.


I had never heard Thy Catafalque until I randomly picked up last year's "Meta", and I was blown away. I've still yet to get back and check out other releases.

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Hayisforhorses
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:57 pm 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
Current 93's crappy sing-song neofolk


Refreshing to find someone who isn't hanging off David tibet's balls, will never understand the appeal of that crap

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John_Sunlight
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:44 pm 
 

Guess there's no other innovative black metal in the world. :(

OP, just read my post I guess, that's it.
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hallowed78
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:32 pm 
 

Hail Spirit Noir.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:04 pm 
 

The Ruins of Beverast, although they have moved beyond a black metal in order to reach a truly innovative sound, more like very imaginative death/doom without the yawn factor.
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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:46 pm 
 

I think it's a tie between Inconcessus Lux Lucis and Thy Darkened Shade for the most forward-thinking black metal bands around right now. They take the genre to a new level without adding too much of any other styles. Extreme musicianship, world-class production, and they actually care about the bass guitar:

https://inconcessusluxlucis.bandcamp.co ... ng-quietus
https://thydarkenedshade.bandcamp.com/a ... hem-sedjet

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:47 am 
 

I really enjoy Diapsiquir's take on metal though i'm not entirely sure i'd immediately link them to the black metal scene.
I haven't worked my way all the way through last years album 180 but A.N.T.I. is excellent. Lot's of very interesting almost carnival/industrial/breakcore?? kinda things going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5gCUZcj0Q


MA classifies them as experimental industrial black metal.

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Pitiless Wanderer
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:03 am 
 

Andy_Christ wrote:
Who is really killing it right now with pushing the genre further? The last band I remember really expanding the sound was Deathspell Omega and I haven't caught anyone else going to those new levels as of late. Sadly what I seem to hear and find most often is bands simply emulating the DSO sound which is similar to what occurred in the 90's. Would really love to see some discussion on this and identify who is pushing boundaries currently.



I am not big into black metal except for a few albums which I cherish. So take this as a suggestion from a casual BM fan, but Dodecahedron have to be one of the most innovative black metal/extreme bands in recent memory. They only have two albums but both are wonderfully dark and disturbing. This year's record, Kwintessens, is my #2 of the year.

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PhilosophicalFrog
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:56 pm 
 

I mean, Jute Gyte is creating absolutely maddening music right now - to the point of drawing influences from post-modernist structure and surrealism in addition to musical queues. guy's an absolute beast.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:20 pm 
 

Furze to my mind is always doing some of the weirdest shit, and I’d also suggest Urfaust and Peste Noire for bands really branching out while keeping the intrinsic spirit alive.
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nekrosonic
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:30 pm 
 

My favorite bm band right now is probably Odious but their last album was in 2015 so they're not really new, but both of their albums are supper elaborate and innovative. Also check out Kult of Taurus (primitive bm ala early Samael and beherit mixed with spacey atmospheres), Bolzer (kinda epic bm/death mix), Nidingr (really great wall of sound pure bm, their newest gives me that Enslaved - Frost vibe but better), Cultes des Ghoules (their last album was a double concept piece so that must mean they're innovative right), Nightbringer and Bestia Arcana (both just beastly bands), Choronzon (their new album is ridiculous, combines bm with industrial and ambient), uhh....that's the newest great, innovative stuff I can think of that hasn't already been mentioned. Most of my favorites already were - Sigh, the Meads, Hail Spirit Noir, etc.

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Bishop_Drugsalot
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:07 pm 
 

John_Sunlight wrote:
Almost forgot: though I don't care for it, A Forest of Star's last couple of releases are the first serious attempts to combine Current 93's crappy sing-song neofolk with cheesy black metal. It's about what you expect. :P

Oi! The third full length is a god damn masterpiece in blending black metal Macbeth and dark cabaret! And a truly innovative album to boot.

The biggest hear hear so far I have to give to A Umbra Omega. It's original, insane and really I can't think of a metal album to compare it with.

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alexo666
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:13 pm 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
Oranssi Pazuzu is the first one that comes to mind for me. I need to explore their back catalogue but the one they put out last year was incredible stuff.


Came to post. That is black metal that is just hella fucking trippy.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:52 pm 
 

Black metal has fairly traditional roots so I've noticed it's pretty hard to for bands to deviate far from the typical sound without becoming something else altogether. Thy Catafalque, a truly great band, barely sounds black metal these days. With its folk, electronic, and heavy metal influence, it just turns into a metal "stew" for me. Peste Noire also mixed these genre influences (without the Highland theme) and sounds much more reminiscent of traditional black metal, likely because they maintained their extreme sound (whereas Thy Catafalque largely lost theirs). Peste Noire still might be the most bat-shit crazy sounding band out there.

Then of course you have DsO and bands that sounds like DsO. But is the music DsO releases any more innovative or unique than what Ved Buens Ende put out in '94? I'm sure many (most?) will disagree but I personally feel like Ved Buens Ende sounds more innovative and unique than what DsO has been doing, and they were doing it a long time ago.

Jute Gyte is definitely unique and innovative, though likely not accessible for more fans of black metal. I suppose that's the price of doing something new. Murmuüre also comes to mind. Perhaps less experimental than Jute Gyte but a lot more accessible. Njiqahdda would be a good candidate if they were still making black metal, but their earlier stuff is very fresh and black metal sounding. Circle of Ouroborus is in a similar boat - alternating between folk, shoegazey, and black metal releases. If you haven't heard them I would check them out (the Urfaust split is great place to start). Petrychor is another notable band that has a very unique take on BM. This band some of the most amazing acoustic guitar work I've ever heard - literally leaps and bounds ahead of any other in terms of raw playing talent.

EDIT: Almost forgot Dodecahedron. They've accomplished a very fresh take on the modern black metal sound without being reminiscent of DsO. Very cold, harsh-sounding music (especially in their latest release). And might as well mention Krallice because Krallice they haven't been mentioned yet. I prefer their debut but it's not nearly as technical or experimental as Prelapsarian (released last year).

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:18 pm 
 

Lugubrum are experimental without taking themselves too seriously. It's hard to be oddball and sinister at the same time, but they pull it off. Like any experiment, the results don't always hit their target. Their album Herval from a couple years ago was a meandering disappointment. De Totem and De Vette Cuecken, which sound like Darkthrone's deformed cousin, are good entry points. Albino De Congo and Face Lion Face Oignon may stray too far out of the confines of black metal tradition for purists, but others will appreciate the incorporation of jazz and folk music.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:26 pm 
 

Hey!

Herval is great :)

I agree about Thy Catafalque not being (much) black metal anymore, but I sure wish I could find a similar band. No one does 20 minute songs like Tamas Katai...

As for the topic itself, I'll go with Dordeduh. Constant evolution from the Negura Bunget days to Dar De Duh without never looking back.
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