MetlaNZ wrote:
Looks I'm not quite over and out yet. If your data comes from RYM and it doesn't include songs from Scream Bloody Gore, To Mega Therion, Into The Pandemonium, Leave Scars, Time Does Not Heal, Down Among The Deadmen, Twilight Of The Idols and it includes Black Flag* then it's useless. How the fuck is Black Flag a "Major Metal Band"?
I'll try and address this album by album.
Scream Bloody Gore - we wouldn't have death metal without it, but do you really think it has the best Death songs considering what followed after that pretty much until Chuck's death? SBG is raw and brutal, but Leprosy is just vicious in comparison and far more effective imho. Only Pull the Plug makes the cut considering how amazed a lot of RYM userbase is with their later tech/death output. tbqh I am more surprised that not a single Sound of Perseverance track made it.
To Mega Therion - now has two songs in the top 5 after the update, which is pretty good. However, Morbid Tales has none now. I love that album to bits and don't know why RYM loves Monotheist so much more. Just documenting the ratings.
Into The Pandemonium - might have invented avant metal a decade too early, but do you honestly believe any of Frost's best tracks are present here? It's kind of an interesting experiment that the band themselves didn't give satisfactory development on their later albums, CF or Triptykon. Just some whimsical ideas that didn't go places.
Leave Scars / Time Does Not Heal - you refer to these two albums, but what songs are you thinking of exactly? The title track from TDNH should be there imho, but Darkness Descends hoards all the attention the band got, and it's kinda easy to see why. Not enough fans showing love to their other material.
Down Among The Deadmen / Twilight Of The Idols - not familiar with this material at all. The average ratings aren't high to compete with Traveller's and Traveller is the one album everyone seems to be listening to.
WRT Black Flag - My War is their highest-rated album on the website and is known as the album that invented Sludge Metal, an incredibly fashionable metal subgenre. The album's wikipedia page lists Sludge Metal as the premiere genre tag for the release and has extensive sections written out regarding the album's musical style, legacy and critical reception. tl;dr is that it was hugely beneficial for the existence of Melvins, a consistent Sludge Metal outfit, and inspired the likes of Nirvana, having been an extremely divisive album at the time of its release. As a fan you should be aware of these details.
Now, does this make Black Flag a metal band? It's only three songs after all. Think of it this way, is the band responsible for inventing a major metal genre less worthy of inclusion than dozens of bands playing in the style Black Flag invented? Obviously, they deserve some credit by being part of such an exhaustive list.
Would you take issue with Ulver being present, too? I never questioned that for a sec (Black Flag is not YET on my list but has no reason not to be after I did research on it), but I think if Bergtatt were their ONLY metal album I'd still have them there because it's such an important release. It's only sensible that Black Flag are in for the same reasons.
MetlaNZ wrote:
Using Celtic Frost as an example, when I looked before there were 4 songs from Monotheist and only Into The Crypts of Rays to represent their classic early run, this highlights a glaring flaw in all this. The 5 songs are not selected using critical thinking but popularity at that time, which once again makes the list useless as a resource because it's so lopsided and could give people the wrong impression of some of the bands.
On their 2007 tour, Celtic Frost only played two songs from Monotheist, focusing on their classic era instead, so I can see where you're coming from. However, the goal of the list is to present the five finest tracks a band has, not ones most commonly associated with them. Imagine you embarrassed yourself in public by doing something stupid, and it's the one thing people think of whenever they see you, but it's not the pinnacle of your efforts as a person. When getting into a new band, the question I personally ask myself most often is what their best work is. It can be a whole album or even just a song or two to sample the best they have to offer.
So I do think the list has a point and can be a useful resource for people checking out new bands. Who here thinks of themselves as a metal expert? Do you boast familiarity with every band on the list or close to it? I definitely do not!
Gloves Of Metal - dunno what to say about this one. It's got 100K plays on Spotify, which is far less than the band's most-played anthems. Either it's not as iconic as you claim it is, or it was missing during most of Spotify's existence. As it's also apparently only the 56th (!) most frequently played song live, according to setlist.fm, I have a feeling the former is the case.