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coldflamer
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:24 pm 
 

I've been really captivated by the idea of gathering and producing music lists of all sorts, compiling statistics and passing them around. Though I have used this website for fact checking, research and music discoveries ever since I was a teenager (a long time ago), this is my first post here, as I was far too curious about this particular community's reaction to forego sharing this list.

One of RYM's neat features is the ability to rate every track on any genre of modern music from 0.5 to 5, akin to what is possible on the albums on the website. What I did was routinely go through all metal albums at the top of RYM's charts (possibly, missing some tracks due to their albums' relative obscurity) and compile the info for all tracks that have at least 60 user votes and an average rating of at least 4.30. This resulted in a list of over 500 tracks, conveniently forming a top 500 list. This is symbolic in that a similar well-known list of the same size, created by Martin Popoff exists, also based on listener lists but with a more trad hard rock focus as opposed to the peculiar hipster/internet nerd flavour associated with RYM.

Within the list, the songs are sorted in descending order by track rating, the number of votes differentiating tracks with the same average, e.g. a song with 60 votes and an average of 4.42 will go before a song with 2,000 votes and an average of 4.41. It's weird, but I wanted a way to give the lesser material a chance against the greats so as to avoid the charts being flooded with lesser Metallica and Maiden tracks. Now it's oversatured with Deftones and Converge, haha.

I simply followed whatever the community tagged as heavy metal, which excluded the hard rock of Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple, but incorporated some indie hybrids with the gaze suffix, metalcore and many other things not featured on Metallum, like Tool. As RYM's userbase simply evaluated the tracks with whatever ratings they deemed necessary, obviously giving their favourite bands more attention, and quite clearly having no idea how to rate some of the classics (e.g. early Celtic Frost or really any "true" material from the 80s or early 90s), you have a list that represents these choices alone but cares little about historic significance of the album in question or indeed having to balance the bands showcased without oversaturating it with a select few artists.

You can get acquainted with the body of material either by opening the spoiler tags or following the Spotify playlist.

The list as a single image file:
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Top Artists by representation in the Top 500:
21 - Converge
16 - Deftones, Iron Maiden
14 - Black Sabbath, Death
12 - Metallica
11 - Tool
10 - Judas Priest
9 - System of a Down, Boris
8 - Opeth
6 - Slayer, Gorguts, Gojira, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Devin Townsend, Acid Bath, Ozzy Osbourne, Cult of Luna
5 - Megadeth, Rage Against the Machine, Type O Negative, Mastodon, Agalloch, The Chariot, Primus, Bathory, Neurosis, Pig Destroyer
4 - Nails, Meshuggah, Kamelot, Strapping Young Lad, Dissection, maudlin of the Well, Gamma Ray, Bolt Thrower, Between the Buried and Me
3 - Have a Nice Life, Misery Signals, Electric Wizard, マキシマム ザ ホルモン [Maximum the Hormone], Admiral Angry, Weakling, Burzum, Immolation, Cryptopsy, Kyuss, Isis, Pantera, Melvins, Soundgarden, Suffocation, Sonata Arctica, Morbid Angel, Ikd-sj, Nine Inch Nails
2 - Alice in Chains, Motörhead, Rainbow, Norma Jean, 7 Angels 7 Plagues, Deathspell Omega, Esoteric, Inanna, Crowbar, Faith No More, Rammstein, Vektor, Dystopia, Dream Theater, Rhapsody of Fire, Darkthrone, Dismember, Poison the Well, Mercyful Fate, Savatage, Thornhill, Emperor, Ne Obliviscaris, Blind Guardian, Primordial, Today Is the Day, Gris, Kreator, Disillusion, Botch, Running Wild, Moonsorrow, Loathe, Nemo, Hopesfall, Jesu, Porcupine Tree, Deep Purple, King Crimson, Mr. Bungle, Queens of the Stone Age, Hum, His Hero Is Gone, Kayo Dot


Top Albums represented on the list:
8 Jane Doe
5 White Pony, Koi no yokan, Of Malice and the Magnum Heart
4 Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, Axe to Fall, All We Love We Leave Behind, Powerslave, Symbolic, Lateralus, Ænima, Toxicity, Obscura, When the Kite String Pops, Dirt, World's End Fruit Basket
3 Saturday Night Wrist, Diamond Eyes, The Number of the Beast, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Paranoid, Master of Reality, Black Sabbath Vol. 4, Individual Thought Patterns, The Sound of Perseverance, Defenders of the Faith, System of a Down, Pink, From Mars to Sirius, Biomech, Somewhere Along the Highway, Rust in Peace, The Battle of Los Angeles, Crack the Skye, Ashes Against the Grain, One Wing, Through Silver in Blood, Terrifyer, Unsilent Death, Karma, Storm of the Light's Bane, Bath, ぶっ生き返す (Buiikikaesu), Buster, Dead as Dreams, Badmotorfinger
2 Kill 'Em All, ...And Justice for All, No Heroes, You Fail Me, Around the Fur, Iron Maiden, Somewhere in Time, Black Sabbath, Human, Leprosy, 10,000 Days, Painkiller, Stained Class, Mezmerize, Boris at Last -Feedbacker-, あくまのうた (Akuma no uta), Ghost Reveries, Blackwater Park, Reign in Blood, Seasons in the Abyss, The Way of All Flesh, One of Us Is the Killer, Paegan Terrorism Tactics, Blizzard of Ozz, Diary of a Madman, Life Is Killing Me, Bloody Kisses, The Mantle, Long Live, Sailing the Seas of Cheese, Blood Fire Death, Under the Sign of the Black Mark, Souls at Zero, Prowler in the Yard, City, Alien, Somewhere Out in Space, Dopethrone, Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue, The Satellite Years, Filosofem, Close to a World Below, None So Vile, Blues for the Red Sun, Oceanic, Cowboys From Hell, Effigy of the Forgotten, Altars of Madness, Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child, Jhazmyne's Lullaby, Paracletus, Converging Ages, Terminal Redux, Dystopia, Like an Ever Flowing Stream, The Dark Pool, Portal of I, Sadness Will Prevail, Back to Times of Splendor, I Let It In and It Took Everything, In Stereo, Écailles de lune

Number of tracks for each decade:
20 - 1970s
71 - 1980s
157 - 1990s
188 - 2000s
59 - 2010s
5 - 2020s

Years with the highest number of songs on the charts:
37 - 2001
26 - 2006
22 - 1996
20 - 2009, 2012
19 - 2005
18 - 1990, 1992
17 - 2002, 2004
16 - 1998, 1999, 2010
15 - 1984, 1994, 1995, 2000, 2003

Some questions to inspire discussion:
1. How do you feel about the list? Would having a track vote feature on Metal Archives result in a totally different list? What are some ways it would stand out from this list? I do imagine some overlap between RYM userbase and Metallum exists, as both sites are frequented by users with an intense interest in metal music.
2. Which artists are unfairly over/underrated?
3. Are the best tracks by major metal bands acknowledged appropriately?


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coldflamer
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:31 pm 
 

Just realised this topic has been approved. Thought it didn't get through at first.

Updated the OP with data on how well-represented each individual decade and each year are. Somebody on RYM, where I shared the same list, noticed Metallica was inexplicably missing from the stats. They've been added now.

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coldflamer
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:12 pm 
 

Updating the OP with an easy-to-read text dump listing track standings for each individual artist. I find this makes analysing and comparing track ratings much more convenient. Enjoy!

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7 Angels 7 Plagues
#47 The Commentator's Despair, #377 Silent Deaths, Crowded Lives

Accept
#274 Fast as a Shark

Acid Bath
#110 The Blue, #310 Scream of the Butterfly, #398 Graveflower, #399 Venus Blue, #476 Tranquilized, #478 Jezebel

Admiral Angry
#113 Illusion of Strength, #204 Kill Yourself, #280 Android

Agalloch
#70 Falling Snow, #109 In the Shadow of Our Pale Companion, #180 Not Unlike the Waves, #309 Limbs, #383 ...And the Great Cold Death of the Earth

Ahab
#375 Old Thunder

Alcest
#423 Écailles de lune - Part 1, #426 Écailles de lune - Part 2

Alice in Chains
#4 Would? #39 Man in the Box, #42 Them Bones, #73 Rooster, #102 Down in a Hole

Altar of Plagues
#468 As a Womb, #493 Reflection Pulse Remains

Amon Amarth
#150 Twilight of the Thunder God

Amorphis
#342 House of Sleep

Angra
#407 Nothing to Say

Annihilator
#289 Alison Hell

Architects
#451 Doomsday

Artillery
#401 Khomaniac

Asunojokei
#338 Chimera

Atheist
#444 Piece of Time

Avantasia
#205 The Seven Angels

Bathory
#132 A Fine Day to Die, #135 Enter the Eternal Fire, #311 Blood Fire Death, #395 One Rode to Asa Bay, #427 Call From the Grave

Between the Buried and Me
#187 Selkies: The Endless Obsession, #360 White Walls, #441 Swim to the Moon, #455 Mordecai, #496 Lay Your Ghosts to Rest

Black Flag
#255 My War

Black Sabbath
#9 War Pigs, #22 Paranoid, #26 Black Sabbath, #32 Children of the Grave, #52 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, #59 Heaven and Hell, #63 Iron Man, #64 N.I.B., #101 Into the Void, #107 Symptom of the Universe, #125 Sweet Leaf, #158 Snowblind, #192 Supernaut, #330 Wheels of Confusion

Blind Guardian
#271 Mirror Mirror, #325 Sacred Worlds

Bolt Thrower
#288 The Killchain, #323 ...For Victory, #369 World Eater, #438 The IVth Crusade

Boris
#21 Just Abandoned Myself, #25 Feedbacker, Pt. 2 44 Feedbacker, Pt. 3 95 Farewell, #134 Naki Kyoku, #184 Korosu, #246 Pink, #469 The Evilone Which Sobs, #481 Ibitsu

Botch
#366 Transitions From Persona to Object, #497 Afghamistam

Broken Torso
#346 Buried Alive

Buckethead
#6 Soothsayer (Dedicated to Aunt Suzie)

Budgie
#440 Breadfan

Burzum
#51 Dunkelheit, #126 Jesus' Tod, #212 Det som en gang var

Candlemass
#215 Solitude

Carcass
#364 Heartwork

Chariot, The
#89 The City, #142 Forget, #153 David de la Hoz, #203 First, #347 Tongues

Converge
#3 Dark Horse, #24 Jane Doe, #71 All We Love We Leave Behind, #80 The Saddest Day, #115 Fault and Fracture, #128 Concubine, #129 Homewrecker, #139 Eve, #149 Axe to Fall, #165 Aimless Arrow, #167 Wretched World, #169 You Fail Me, #240 Phoenix in Flight, #293 No Heroes, #305 Heaven in Her Arms, #316 Sadness Comes Home, #365 Reap What You Sow, #397 Last Light, #404 Grim Heart / Black Rose, #418 Thaw, #428 Trespasses, #470 Distance and Meaning

Crowbar
#112 Planets Collide, #299 The Lasting Dose

Cryptopsy
#162 Slit Your Guts, #181 Phobophile, #372 Open Face Surgery

Cult of Luna
#141 Ghost Trail, #225 Finland, #321 Dark City, Dead Man, #368 Dim, #454 In Awe Of, #490 Cygnus

Dan Swanö
#414 Uncreation

Danzig
#65 Mother

Dark Tranquillity
#302 ThereIn

Darkthrone
#146 Transilvanian Hunger, #384 In the Shadow of the Horns

Deafheaven
#92 Dream House

Death
#43 Crystal Mountain, #57 Symbolic, #108 Lack of Comprehension, #161 Pull the Plug, #163 The Philosopher, #194 Flattening of Emotions, #211 Spirit Crusher, #217 Overactive Imagination, #239 Empty Words, #250 Leprosy, #331 Scavenger of Human Sorrow , #349 Zero Tolerance, #352 Flesh and the Power It Holds, #386 Trapped in a Corner

Deathspell Omega
#79 Apokatastasis pantôn, #166 Abscission

Deftones
#1 Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away), #10 Change (In the House of Flies), #18 Digital Bath, #53 Cherry Waves, #58 Rosemary, #67 My Own Summer (Shove It), #69 Sextape, #75 Hole in the Earth, #91 Knife Prty, #130 Entombed, #155 Pink Maggit, #159 Minerva, #208 Passenger, #210 Swerve City, #244 Diamond Eyes, #245 Beware, #281 Beauty School, #351 Leathers, #472 Tempest

Devin Townsend
#98 Deadhead, #136 Earth Day, #259 Bastard, #335 Seventh Wave, #336 Life, #442 Hyperdrive

Diamond Head
#185 Am I Evil?

Dillinger Escape Plan, The
#72 Farewell, Mona Lisa, #78 One of Us Is the Killer, #223 When Good Dogs Do Bad Things, #263 Sunshine the Werewolf, #265 Milk Lizard, #314 Prancer

Dio
#55 Holy Diver

Dir en Grey
#100 Obscure

Disillusion
#345 ...And the Mirror Cracked, #463 Back to Times of Splendor

Dismember
#198 Override of the Overture, #489 Dismembered

Dissection
#183 Night's Blood, #227 The Somberlain, #388 Thorns of Crimson Death, #421 Where Dead Angels Lie

Dragged Into Sunlight
#228 Boiled Angel / Buried With Leeches, #276 Volcanic Birth

Dream Theater
#137 A Change of Seasons, #257 Octavarium

Dystopia
#124 My Meds Aren't Workings, #297 Leaning With Intent to Fall

Edge of Sanity
#232 Twilight

Edguy
#466 Tears of a Mandrake

Electric Wizard
#17 Funeralopolis, #287 Return Trip, #306 Dopethrone

Emperor
#254 I Am the Black Wizards, #285 Ye Entrancemperium

Enslaved
#152 Roots of the Mountain

Entombed
#261 Left Hand Path

Esoteric
#88 Circle, #344 The Secret of the Secret

Every Time I Die
#202 Map Change

Faith No More
#116 MidLife Crisis, #218 Epic

Gamma Ray
#279 Somewhere Out in Space, #296 Rebellion in Dreamland, #411 Beyond the Black Hole, #413 Send Me a Sign

Gathering, The
#322 Strange Machines

Gaza
#234 Hospital Fat Bags

Ghost
#356 Cirice, #405 Square Hammer

Gojira
#54 Flying Whales, #77 The Art of Dying, #197 L'enfant sauvage, #307 Ocean Planet, #308 The Heaviest Matter of the Universe, #315 Toxic Garbage Island

Gorguts
#45 Nostalgia, #164 Obscura, #196 Earthly Love, #446 Inverted, #480 Faceless Ones, #486 Le toit du monde

Goslings, The
#170 Croatan

Gridlink
#461 Look to Windward

Gris
#226 Il était une forêt..., #304 Les forges

Haken
#376 Celestial Elixir

Helloween
#394 Halloween

Helmet
#264 Unsung

Hopesfall
#66 The End of an Era, #173 The Bending 500 Dead in Magazines

Hypocrisy
#467 Roswell 47

Iced Earth
#303 Dracula

Igorrr
#324 Tout petit moineau

Ikd-sj
#41 oDdEyヨ, #143 Beautiful Slaughter, #188 Lemon Lumpen, #410 Celeb Hunter

Immolation
#168 Close to a World Below, #260 Father, You're Not a Father, #373 Christ's Cage

Inanna
#99 Sea of the Dead, #171 Beyond Time and Memory

Intestine Baalism
#90 A Place Their Gods Left Behind

Iron Maiden
#11 Hallowed Be Thy Name, #16 The Trooper, #62 Fear of the Dark, #74 Aces High, #93 Phantom of the Opera, #103 Rime of the Ancient Mariner, #106 Wasted Years , #114 Powerslave, #144 The Evil That Men Do, #157 The Number of the Beast, #176 2 Minutes to Midnight, #178 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, #193 Caught Somewhere in Time, #382 Run to the Hills, #473 Prowler, #474 Moonchild

Isis
#214 So Did We, #393 The Beginning and the End, #396 Weight

Jesu
#337 Friends Are Evil, #409 Conqueror, #494 Silver

Judas Priest
#2 Painkiller, #61 Electric Eye, #84 Beyond the Realms of Death, #147 The Sentinel, #216 Breaking the Law, #354 Victim of Changes , #358 Freewheel Burning, #389 Jawbreaker, #419 Night Crawler, #479 Exciter

Kamelot
#111 Forever, #154 Karma, #190 The Fourth Legacy, #300 Center of the Universe

Katatonia
#222 Brave

Kayo Dot
#46 The Manifold Curiosity, #459 Gemini Becoming the Tripod, #499 Aura on an Asylum Wall

KEN mode
#498 No Gentle Art

Killing Joke
#199 The Death & Resurrection Show

Korn
#283 Falling Away From Me

Kreator
#343 Enemy of God, #462 Violent Revolution

Kyuss
#213 Gardenia, #333 Green Machine, #483 50 Million Year Trip (Downside Up)

Liturgy
#363 93696

Living Colour
#229 Cult of Personality

Loathe
#362 Two-Way Mirror, #392 Is It Really You?

Lykathea Aflame
#328 Bringer of Elvenefris Flame

Machine Head
#370 Davidian

Marilyn Manson
#484 The Beautiful People

Mastodon
#60 Blood and Thunder, #82 Oblivion, #247 The Czar, #248 The Last Baron, #430 March of the Fire Ants

maudlin of the Well
#262 Gleam in Ranks, #286 Birth Pains of Astral Projection, #391 The Blue Ghost / Shedding Qliphoth, #429 Girl With a Watering Can

Maximum the Hormone
#35 What's Up, People?!, #123 絶望ビリー, #448 ぶっ生き返す!!

Mayhem
#385 Freezing Moon

Megadeth
#14 Holy Wars... The Punishment Due, #49 Hangar 18, #81 Tornado of Souls, #145 Peace Sells, #355 Symphony of Destruction

Melvins
#230 A History of Bad Men, #332 Honey Bucket, #495 Revolve

Mercyful Fate
#221 A Dangerous Meeting, #258 Evil

Meshuggah
#86 Bleed, #292 Future Breed Machine, #402 New Millennium Cyanide Christ, #447 Demiurge

Metallica
#5 One, #7 Master of Puppets, #20 Fade to Black, #36 For Whom the Bell Tolls, #174 Battery, #175 Blackened, #191 Creeping Death , #209 The Four Horsemen, #237 Welcome Home (Sanitarium), #238 Ride the Lightning, #348 Seek & Destroy

Misery Signals
#48 Five Years, #56 The Year Summer Ended in June, #189 Difference of Vengeance and Wrongs, #236 In Summary of What I Am, #465 Worlds & Dreams

Moonsorrow
#381 Huuto, #439 Pimeä

Morbid Angel
#422 Immortal Rites, #425 Chapel of Ghouls, #456 Invocation of the Continual One

Motörhead
#19 Ace of Spades, #119 Overkill

Murmuüre
#432 Amethyst

Nails
#30 Unsilent Death, #201 Depths, #294 Suffering Soul

Ne Obliviscaris
#269 And Plague Flowers the Kaleidoscope, #270 Forget Not

Nemo
#406 King Valley, #55 453 Bleary-Eyed Me

Neurosis
#256 Through Silver in Blood, #312 Locust Star, #319 To Crawl Under One's Skin, #390 Purify, #487 Souls at Zero

Nine Inch Nails
#83 Wish

Nokturnal Mortum
#277 Україна

Norma Jean
#31 Memphis Will Be Laid to Waste, #298 Pretty Soon, I Don't Know What, but Something Is Going to Happen

Oathbreaker
#374 Second Son of R.

Opeth
#34 Ghost of Perdition, #85 Deliverance, #179 The Moor, #242 Bleak, #243 Blackwater Park, #361 Heir Apparent, #424 Demon of the Fall, #475 Reverie / Harlequin Forest

Ozzy Osbourne
#131 Crazy Train, #195 Mr. Crowley, #267 Bark at the Moon, #290 No More Tears, #433 Over the Mountain, #434 Diary of a Madman

Panopticon
#435 The Blue Against the White

Pantera
#224 Floods, #252 Cowboys From Hell, #253 Cemetery Gates

Paysage d'Hiver
#220 Welt aus Eis

Pig Destroyer
#266 Towering Flesh, #371 Trojan Whore, #403 Hyperviolet, #436 Thumbsucker, #492 Terrifyer

Poison the Well
#206 Ghostchant, #233 Slice Paper Wrists

Primordial
#275 Empire Falls, #458 The Coffin Ships

Primus
#97 Jerry Was a Race Car Driver, #121 My Name Is Mud, #182 John the Fisherman, #219 Tommy the Cat, #357 To Defy the Laws of Tradition

Queensrÿche
#485 Eyes of a Stranger

Rage Against the Machine
#13 Killing in the Name, #29 Bulls on Parade, #251 Guerrilla Radio, #387 Testify, #477 Sleep Now in the Fire

Rainbow
#28 Stargazer, #317 Gates of Babylon

Rammstein
#118 Sonne, #133 Du hast

Reverend Bizarre
#415 They Used Dark Forces / Teutonic Witch

Rhapsody
#140 Emerald Sword, #408 Dawn of Victory

Rob Zombie
#268 Dragula

Ruins of Beverast, The
#460 Soil of the Incestuous

Running Wild
#379 Black Hand Inn, #449 Riding the Storm

Sadness
#284 I Want to Be With You

Savatage
#231 Gutter Ballet, #339 Hall of the Mountain King

Sawtooth Grin, The
#327 Good Touch Bad Touch 123

Scorpions
#488 Rock You Like a Hurricane

Sepultura
#318 Refuse / Resist

Slayer
#15 Raining Blood, #37 Angel of Death, #76 South of Heaven, #96 Seasons in the Abyss, #186 Chemical Warfare, #282 War Ensemble

Sleep
#431 Dragonaut

Sodom
#272 Agent Orange

Sonata Arctica
#340 FullMoon, #380 The Cage, #412 Don't Say a Word

Soundgarden
#249 Jesus Christ Pose, #353 Rusty Cage, #420 Outshined

Strapping Young Lad
#148 All Hail the New Flesh, #151 Love?, #313 Detox, #443 Skeksis

Stratovarius
#87 Black Diamond

Suffocation
#273 Pierced From Within, #437 Infecting the Crypts, #491 Liege of Inveracity

Suicidal Tendencies
#326 You Can't Bring Me Down

Summoning
#172 Land of the Dead

Symphony X
#457 The Odyssey

System of a Down
#8 Chop Suey!, #12 Toxicity, #33 Aerials, #38 B.Y.O.B., #105 Sugar, #177 Spiders, #207 Prison Song, #350 Question!, #471 Suite-Pee

Thornhill
#235 Where We Go When We Die, #378 Lily & The Moon

Thy Catafalque
#301 Molekuláris gépezetek

Today Is the Day
#278 Invincible, #450 The Descent

Tool
#23 Schism, #27 Parabola, #50 Lateralus, #68 Stinkfist, #94 Vicarious, #104 Forty Six & 2, #117 Sober, #127 Ænema, #156 The Grudge, #241 The Pot, #329 Eulogy

Trivium
#452 Shogun

Type O Negative
#40 Love You to Death, #138 I Don't Wanna Be Me, #295 Anesthesia, #334 Black No. 1 (Little Miss Scare-All), #359 Christian Woman

Ulver
#160 Capitel I: I troldskog faren vild

Underoath
#341 Writing on the Walls

Ved Buens Ende.....
#291 I Sang for the Swans

Vektor
#120 Recharging the Void, #482 Charging the Void

W.A.S.P.
#445 Chainsaw Charlie (Murders in the New Morgue)

Warning
#400 Watching From a Distance

Weakling
#122 Dead as Dreams, #320 This Entire Fucking Battlefield, #367 Cut Their Grain and Place Fire Therein

Windir
#200 Svartesmeden og Lundamyrstrollet

Woods of Ypres
#464 Lightning & Snow

假假條
#416 湘靈鼓瑟

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:03 pm 
 

The top 10 has two Deftones tracks... :oh shit:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:45 pm 
 

I like Converge as much as the next guy but why they are the band that has more songs of all the ranking, lmao.
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funeralravens
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:17 pm 
 

This list is garbage, as is RateYourMusic in general. The fact that nu-metal and metalcore trash is so high on this list says everything about this site.
Also they banned me for creating a discussion topic on the misinformation that they are spreading. This just sealed the deal on how I view them.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:31 pm 
 

7 Angels 7 Plagues, Admiral Angry, The Goslings, Ikd-sj, Maximum the Hormone... Maybe I'm being ignorant but what the fuck are these bands? And Primus a metal band?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:50 pm 
 

Converge is fine, but doesn't deserve so many high ranking tracks. Same for Deftones. They obviously don't have two songs in the top 10 of the best metal songs of all time. Bucketheat shouldn't be there either. It's not metal and obviously not that good. System of a Down is good, but no, Chop Suey and Toxicity are not in the top 12 of the best metal songs of all time. Same for Rage Against the Machine (also not a metal band). Tool shouldn't have songs in the top 30. Get Norma Jean the fuck out of that list... damn...

It's nice to see Boris, Electric Wizard, Agalloch, Gorguts, Alice in Chains, Mastodon, Acid Bath, Vektor, Bathory, Dream Theater, Cult of Luna, Dark Throne, Ulver, Cryptopsy, Kyuss, Isis, Paysage d'Hiver, Mercyful Fate, Katatonia, Gris, maudlin of the Well, Immolation, Suffocation, Promordial, Bolt Thrower, and classic bands like Black Sabbath, Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth and Judas Priest in there, though.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:20 pm 
 

funeralravens wrote:
This list is garbage, as is RateYourMusic in general. The fact that nu-metal and metalcore trash is so high on this list says everything about this site.
Also they banned me for creating a discussion topic on the misinformation that they are spreading. This just sealed the deal on how I view them.


I like RYM for looking at a bands discography and seeing what the general consensus is on specific albums, usually if im in a shop and I see a band on vinyl ive been meaning to check out, but overall I agree. Its chartings and listings are all over the place. And the posters in the comment section on there are pretty self entitled and toxic at the best of times. I get some of us here can be like that with our opinions but at least we can have some sort of adult discussions.

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Jophelerx
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:52 pm 
 

Had to check out the Killing Joke track as I've literally never heard anyone mention them in any sort of conjunction with being metal or even really adjacent to metal. I guess this you could sort of call this metal like Rammstein is "metal"? I mean to be fair Marilyn Manson is on the list and it's not really less metal than that...even something like Primus is metal as fuck compared to this though. Weird what some people will lump in that category. Reminds me of when my granddad's friend said her son loved metal like Smashing Pumpkins.

On an unrelated note, don't think I'd seen anyone mention Maximum the Hormone since my one friend that was super into them circa 2007. That's a blast from the past for sure.
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HeavenDuff wrote:
The top 10 has two Deftones tracks... :oh shit:


I stopped looking at the list when I saw them at #1, so right away. RYM has an epidemic of hipster trash.
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This list almost gave me an aneurysm from how terrible it is.

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Not very impressive especially the whole Deftones stuff... I, honestly, don't get the hype with Deftones.

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This list is pretty terrible from a metal perspective, but understandable given the throngs of semi-conscious zombies that populate RYM. I've hated that website since it first came online and have never spent more than a few fleeting moments on it just to nose around without ever signing up, the consensus on there regarding metal is about as compelling as Pitchfork Media. I don't necessarily mind another Top X number list of songs, bands, et cetera; and it does look like some good albums made the cut, but I prefer my metal lists to be without the presence of crap like Deftones and System Of A Down.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:48 am 
 

It is always extremely funny when metalheads are forced to face the reality that their extremely specific definition of metal has zero purchase outside of their insular community.

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Could you say a little bit more about the statistics? How is the rating calculated? Does it represent the median or mean of the distribution?

Also a cutoff of 60 votes is very low, it means a Buckethead song ends up at #6 because a small group of diehard fans rate it very high while anyone else either don't care enough to vote it down or they hadn't heard it. Hell, most of those 74 votes could even be the same user creating multiple accounts and spamming 5.0 ratings.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 6:04 am 
 

Vadara wrote:
It is always extremely funny when metalheads are forced to face the reality that their extremely specific definition of metal has zero purchase outside of their insular community.

Who should be determining what music is metal and what is not? Metalheads or Taylor Swift fans?
Also, RYM's grasp of other genres is not any better than that of metal. It's just in general a very hipster-dominated site where you could easily predict what albums they're going to like.

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Anyway Deftones is the best band in middle of the mediocrity of new metal…

But their best song is Minerva
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:31 pm 
 

Vadara wrote:
It is always extremely funny when metalheads are forced to face the reality that their extremely specific definition of metal has zero purchase outside of their insular community.


You notice that only happens when some troll invades our "insular community" and tells us what we already know about the hipsterverse beyond. RYM is an intellectual cesspool with or without their particularly bad metal takes, if you prefer the world outside this "insular community", that begs the question of why you're even here making these inane observations if not to start a flame war.

And for the record, I don't like The Deftones or most of the rest of the so-called 90s nu-metal movement, get over it.
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Number of tracks for each decade:
20 - 1970s
71 - 1980s
157 - 1990s
188 - 2000s
59 - 2010s
5 - 2020s

Be interesting to see the ages of all those who voted and compare them to the above stats.

Edit: Fuckin predictive


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Too many tracks to comment on individually, other than anything by Converge or Meshuggah would probably be on my BOTTOM 500 metal tracks list.
Sabbath's "Heaven and Hell" should be near the top. Though in all fairness it's good to see a lot of Sabbath in there.

Lots of stuff like Deftones and Tool which, although I would say are undeniably great bands, I'm not sure I'd classify either as "Metal" per se.

What the fuck is "lkd-Sj?" Is that some new, millennial era band that I'm supposed to know about but don't, and so now everyone's gonna rip on me and call me some living-under-a-rock old out of touch fartknocker because I've never heard of them?

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Millennials must return abc and listen the sixty and seventy…

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I'm just grateful for the Kamelot representation

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:10 pm 
 

Vadara wrote:
It is always extremely funny when metalheads are forced to face the reality that their extremely specific definition of metal has zero purchase outside of their insular community.


This might be true, but RYM is another insular community with a hivemind mentality and, judging by their tastes, a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:37 am 
 

It's not so much a misunderstanding but more a limitation of RYM's system with all fusion genres being included in the list. If two bands fuse metal with another genre, eg. industrial metal, it can't tell you which bands are way more on the industrial side and which are more on the metal side. They all just get filed under industrial metal.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 8:24 am 
 

The percentage of RYM users who actually rate tracks is obviously pretty low. The fact that it's buried in its own tab probably has a lot to do with it. I feel like it's a feature the site developers added under protest.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2024 10:48 am 
 

Vadara wrote:
It is always extremely funny when metalheads are forced to face the reality that their extremely specific definition of metal has zero purchase outside of their insular community.


Yet another reason not to leave it.
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Haha, appreciate the feedback on the list. The backlash against 'hipsters' is to be expected, but we must admit RYM and metallum like some of the same things. Many here (not all; some overlap between the userbases is evident) wouldn't touch metalcore or alternative metal bands with a ten foot pole, but the opposite isn't true, with a large underground metal following showing appreciation for the heavy metal and extreme metal classics. Plenty of users here, too, care about progressive metal of whatever variety, as can be surmised easily by looking at the threads and album ratings here (the reviews posted on this site are, likely, too scarce to generate any kind of meaningful list, I'm afraid). It's 2024 and metal is imho in nowhere near the same shape it was in the 90s or even the 00s. Originality may be more valuable than before in a genre that's gotten really old.

My objective was to attempt to make a comprehensive top metal tracks list, as the understanding of metal Martin Popoff's top 500 sample size had just wasn't good enough in my book, with all these songs by Led Zeppelin and Kiss in it (including disco hits by the latter). Is it perfect? Far from it, as users aren't rating all the bands diligently enough, but it is what it is, and could prove interesting for that reason. I wanted a list where classic heavy metal, like Sabbath and Priest, could compete with more recent extreme and prog styles that have appeared in the genre since its inception. Having a list where doom, power, black, death, etc. are all considered is a really nice idea, I find, as much as we may mourn the lack of balance in acknowledging certain bands and styles compared to others.

Before making this, an old Work in Progress I had was a Spotify playlist where I simply took every major (very arbitrary title, I know) metal band and routinely add their top 5 highest-rated songs from RYM. This is the list / Spotify playlist I am talking about:


Each band is represented by their top 5 tracks, and this applies to Sabbath and Metallica as much as the recent highly-rated artists from RYM (of which I currently don't have nearly enough). I'm constantly updating the top 5 for each band when I have the time, and I'm working on expanding the list with more artists I'd missed earlier. It'll probably have some 500 bands when I'm done. The value of the list is that no band is ignored, though it can be seen as that if you take track length into account - think Sunn O))) or Wormrot with a running time of nearly 50 minutes and 8 minutes respectively.

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The fact that nu-metal and metalcore trash is so high on this list says everything about this site.


The commercial nu-metal and metalcore generally have fairly low ratings, with the trend changing somewhat as a result of the poptimism fad in the recent years. It seems that Deftones and Converge just happen to be two bands enjoying much success among the userbase.

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Had to check out the Killing Joke track as I've literally never heard anyone mention them in any sort of conjunction with being metal or even really adjacent to metal. I guess this you could sort of call this metal like Rammstein is "metal"? I mean to be fair Marilyn Manson is on the list and it's not really less metal than that...even something like Primus is metal as fuck compared to this though. Weird what some people will lump in that category. Reminds me of when my granddad's friend said her son loved metal like Smashing Pumpkins.

On an unrelated note, don't think I'd seen anyone mention Maximum the Hormone since my one friend that was super into them circa 2007. That's a blast from the past for sure.


Well, Killing Joke do have a period in their career when their music is consistently categorised as 'industrial metal' by many sources I've seen. Metallum have a vision of what metal is and is not, which some fans of the genre don't understand, like leaving out Tool, which leaves a lot of people too used to talking about Tool in the context of being a metal band scratching their heads. What being and not being metal is too controversial a topic to influence my criteria for choosing music for the list, and my treatment was remarkably simple - count everything tagged as 'metal' of whatever shape. Is 'alternative metal' just a form of hard rock that just so happens to have 'metal' in its name? Still counting it.

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It is always extremely funny when metalheads are forced to face the reality that their extremely specific definition of metal has zero purchase outside of their insular community.


I think it has more to do with the fact that the Deftones and Converge fans were passionate enough to go and rate their favourite songs, while Autopsy and Suffocation fans were't, even though their main albums have been rated more than a few times.

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Could you say a little bit more about the statistics? How is the rating calculated? Does it represent the median or mean of the distribution?

Also a cutoff of 60 votes is very low, it means a Buckethead song ends up at #6 because a small group of diehard fans rate it very high while anyone else either don't care enough to vote it down or they hadn't heard it. Hell, most of those 74 votes could even be the same user creating multiple accounts and spamming 5.0 ratings.


It's the median distribution, though I think that spambots trying to affect the rating is prevented by the website somehow? The issue has not been acknowledged as being real over on RYM, to my knowledge.

It's true that tracks with low ratings are less credible than ones the community has offered a larger sample size on. This however applies to all bands, as none are equal in terms of exposure. Blind Guardian songs are less credible than those for Iron Maiden. People obviously care about Iron Maiden more, and more people check them out and are left less than excited about the music as a result.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, as some of the somewhat acclaimed albums, surprisingly, have track ratings around 20. How valid are those averages? Let's say, I have a fondness for the early Borknagar releases (up until Origin). How many times have the tracks been rated? It gets as low as 14 ratings for the later albums. There might be some other way of ranking the songs, like by means of multiplication of the average and the number of ratings, which a generous modifiier allowing the more obscure tracks to still compete. What that would probably result in is the top of the charts dominating them even more. The occasional dark horse is welcome, I think.

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The percentage of RYM users who actually rate tracks is obviously pretty low. The fact that it's buried in its own tab probably has a lot to do with it. I feel like it's a feature the site developers added under protest.


It also takes more effort to consider each individual track and attribute it a rating. The level of familiarity required to embark on that enterprise is much greater then giving an album a 2.5 ("didn't care about this one much tbqh"). All currently active users are well-aware of the feature, as looking at the tracks instantly reveals what average rating they have. This is perhaps a bigger factor than its visibility.

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coldflamer wrote:
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The fact that nu-metal and metalcore trash is so high on this list says everything about this site.


The commercial nu-metal and metalcore generally have fairly low ratings, with the trend changing somewhat as a result of the poptimism fad in the recent years. It seems that Deftones and Converge just happen to be two bands enjoying much success among the userbase.

And that's exactly what you need to know about that website. It's not at all relevant to the metal discussion if it's influenced by mainstream fads to such a high degree. Still, I applaud your endeavour, since that site is the tool closest to being good for your task.

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Obviously any list made by a whole "community" which is a mixture of random people will be silly. RYM is a great resource if you find enough buddies, that are trv and grim metalheads. Than you end up with great lists and recommendations. E.g. all time top 10 of my RYM-buddies:
1. Judas Priest - Painkiller
2. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
3. Mgła - Exercises in Futility
4. Deathspell Omega - Paracletus
5. Iron Maiden - Powerslave
6. Slayer - Reign in Blood
7. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
8. Ulcerate - Stare Into Death and Be Still
9. Demilich - Nespithe
10. Immolation - Close to a World Below
(the whole list here: https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/al ... alkostach/)

I find this a very solid and competent list. I check every 2-3 months for the year's top albums of my buddies, so I can check what's hot and it rarely disappoints.

But even if you take the "general consensus" into consideration and filter by genres the "general RYM community" says
(https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/al ... e%2dmetal/)

1. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
2. Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
3. Metallica - Ride the Lightning
4. Death - Symbolic
5. Metallica - Master of Puppets
6. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
7. Megadeth - Rust in Peace
8. Electric Wizard - Dopethrone
9. Boris - Boris at Last -Feedbacker-
10. Judas Priest - Painkiller

What problems can a metalhead have with this list? Maybe apart from Boris, which still is an important part of the metal scene. I think if we'd make a similar all time list here most, if not all, of these would and up in the top 100. And I'm quite sure RYM's top 100 and MA's top 100 would share like 90% of albums.
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No Helloween but Gamma Ray?, no Nightwish?. At the end of the day is just opinions, but certainly I don't agree with most of the list and the lack of some bands.

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Some of the reactions in this thread are a bit much.

The list is by and large a popularity contest on a specific web site, with its own ideas about what is and isn't metal, as well as probably some demographic differences in terms of the user base as well. It isn't an authoritative source on the "best" metal songs, insofar as that endeavour even means anything. Your tastes are not being trampled on and "true metal" isn't being erased because there's another group of people out there who think Converge, Deftones or Tool should count.

Frankly it's pretty much exactly what I'd expect: Metallica, Maiden, Ozzy, Priest, Slayer and Priest for the classics, and Opeth, Gorjira, Mastodon, Devin Townsend, Agalloch etc. for the more modern stuff. Seems extremely uncontroversial to me as far as what metal bands are among the most influential and popular.
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CoffeeCat wrote:
Some of the reactions in this thread are a bit much.

The list is by and large a popularity contest on a specific web site, with its own ideas about what is and isn't metal, as well as probably some demographic differences in terms of the user base as well. It isn't an authoritative source on the "best" metal songs, insofar as that endeavour even means anything. Your tastes are not being trampled on and "true metal" isn't being erased because there's another group of people out there who think Converge, Deftones or Tool should count.

Frankly it's pretty much exactly what I'd expect: Metallica, Maiden, Ozzy, Priest, Slayer and Priest for the classics, and Opeth, Gorjira, Mastodon, Devin Townsend, Agalloch etc. for the more modern stuff. Seems extremely uncontroversial to me as far as what metal bands are among the most influential and popular.

That's pretty much where I stand on this list. Obviously, the big name bands and some metal-adjacent stuff's gonna be on there, and I think it's alright as far as these types of list go. I'm just glad to see bands like Immolation, Suffocation, and Bathory get some rep that they deserve.
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RYM doesn't have a large population who rates tracks, and the people who do are usually just surface level genre tourists who come from hip hop and such where singles are much more important than albums. If you look at RYM's highest rated albums and filter out metalcore/numetal/etc then you will find them to basically have the same taste as everyone else with Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, etc.

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A huge amount of work for a relatively useless list, is it you Frozen?

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Updated the top 500 after following through with megustaelpico's observation about not all metal albums having exclusively metal tracks and some non-metal albums having metal tracks.

The following tracks have been removed:

Buckethead – Soothsayer (Dedicated to Aunt Suzie)
Alice in Chains – Would?
Alice in Chains – Down in a Hole
Alice in Chains – Rooster
Deftones – Cherry Waves
Deftones – Beauty School
Deftones – Sextape
The Chariot – First
The Chariot – Tongues
Converge – Last Light
Misery Signals – Worlds & Dreams
Misery Signals – Difference of Vengeance and Wrongs
Ikd-sj – Lemon Lumpen
Alcest – Ecailles de Lune – Part 1
Ghost – Square Hammer
Botch – Afghamistam
Kayo Dot – Aura on an Asylum Wall
Scorpions – Rock You Like a Hurricane
Black Flag – My War
The Sawtooth Grin – Good Touch Bad Touch 123

The first two were initially in the top 10. Converge lost just one track, which was post-hardcore, while Deftones lost three (shoegaze) and are now tied with Iron Maiden for the second highest number of tracks in the top 500. Overall, a bunch of shoegaze, emo, post-hardcore and grunge was removed.

On the other hand, new competition entered the fray in the form of the following (click to see picture).Notably, Have a Nice Life's Earthmover is now the #4 highest-rated metal song, with Boris's Flood Pt 3, whose album doesn't feature a major metal tag, rounds up the top 10. Misc prog-rock and hard rock acts have now entered the picture.

Not that big of a change, but it's worth pointing out!

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