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Steve Nebraska
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:27 pm 
 

I just like how some albums just has a out of place obnoxious yell that doesn’t fit the song. What albums do you people discover thus on?

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MawBTS
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:15 am 
 

NPFTD/FOTD era Iron Maiden.

If you're ever wondering why Iron Maiden thought Blaze Bayley was a good replacement, it's because Bruce was delivering performances like this.

Youtube: show

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DividerOfShadows
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:39 am 
 

Maybe Silencer's "Death - Pierce Me" would do the trick? I know some folks would say that the yells and screams serve the music, but my ears would kinda disagree.

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John_Sunlight
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:03 am 
 

"The Unspoken King"
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:25 am 
 

Phil Anselmo's Walk Through Exits Only... which might have been the point of the album!
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Thexhumed
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:36 pm 
 

MawBTS wrote:
NPFTD/FOTD era Iron Maiden.

If you're ever wondering why Iron Maiden thought Blaze Bayley was a good replacement, it's because Bruce was delivering performances like this.

Youtube: show


What's so bad about it?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:37 pm 
 

Most Meshuggah, The Unspoken King, and (sadly) Obscura. Not metal, but 95% of punk rock falls into this category for me as well.
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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:25 pm 
 

Agreed on Meshuggah. I'm going to see them this week so I've been listening to them for basically the first time recently. The vocals are just horrendously amateurish yells. There's no technique whatsoever and they massively overpower what seems to be interesting music. How the hell is palatable to anyone?

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metalkeith
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm 
 

narsilianshard wrote:
Agreed on Meshuggah. I'm going to see them this week so I've been listening to them for basically the first time recently. The vocals are just horrendously amateurish yells. There's no technique whatsoever and they massively overpower what seems to be interesting music. How the hell is palatable to anyone?


Weird. I find them to be an essential element to the band's older work. They function, to my ears, as another percussive tool. While they tend to follow and reinforce the weird guitar riffs, they often do more for helping me find the "groove" than the 4/4 cymbals and snare.

I haven't listened a whole lot to their last few, but I did notice on the newest record that the vocals do more of a traditional "lead screamer" kind of thing, like Randy Blythe.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:38 pm 
 

Actually, the Meshuggah guy sounds pretty decent on the debut (which also happens to be the only album by them I care about). There he's like Justice era Hetfield on speed.

Every other performance after that though? Complete garbage.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:48 pm 
 

Pretty much anything with Phil Anselmo and Robb Flynn comes to mind. The former has gotten from charismatically obnoxious to toothlessly obnoxious while the latter has just straight up always been annoying.
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Wrldeatr
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:34 pm 
 

All of Araya's screaming in the last couple of Slayer albums make it hard for me to enjoy them.

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nekrosonic
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:49 pm 
 

Jens Kidman's flow is sick yall haters.

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Rocka_Rollas
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:22 am 
 

Wrldeatr wrote:
All of Araya's screaming in the last couple of Slayer albums make it hard for me to enjoy them.


Yeah, I still think he sounded absolutely best on Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits. He didn't just scream, he actually put some effort into creating an atmosphere.

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Gunslinger21
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:32 am 
 

God Hates Us All. I can really get into a lot of the riffs and the drumming compliments it all really well, but some of Araya's vocals on this are just painful to listen to. I agree that his performances were better on the earlier albums. Maybe writing the same album for thirty years has something to do with it.

Also, Most of Machine Head's stuff. Sometimes Flynn can really belt out some great notes, and sometimes he can whine like there is no tomorrow.

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Metal_On_The_Ascendant
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:22 am 
 

GODFLESH
NEUROSIS
PARADISE LOST

(but it's <mostly> good)

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eViLbOrIs
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:26 pm 
 

I recall something Devin Townsend said in an interview from a while ago, how as a producer he would get sick and tired of producing bands whose vocalists sounded like they were 'screaming at you' the whole time. I believe speculation at the time was that he was referring to a Becoming The Archetype record he had recently produced. I like his choice of words, 'screaming at you'; there's a key distinction to my ears betwixt bands that growl and shout and screech in a manner that (arguably) augments the music they are vocalizing with, and bands that just sound like they are doing these things AT YOU, which grows tiresome so much sooner.
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Rasha_yad
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:26 pm 
 

The Black Dahlia Murder - Everblack. I haven't listened to any other TBDM (in a long time anyway), so maybe other albums share this problem.

It's basically a pretty weak, shrill scream that's always at max intensity yet still never manages to sound the least bit menacing or powerful. The multilayered vocals are sometimes pretty cool though.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:30 pm 
 

nekrosonic wrote:
Jens Kidman's flow is sick yall haters.


Agreed. Fucken "Suffer In Truth," "Corridor of Chameleons," "Bleed" - c'mon.
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GodlessDolphin
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:06 pm 
 

It's hard to out-obnoxious Flames of Hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbyCJ0BLhz0

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Ace_Rimmer
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:16 pm 
 

Thexhumed wrote:
MawBTS wrote:
NPFTD/FOTD era Iron Maiden.

If you're ever wondering why Iron Maiden thought Blaze Bayley was a good replacement, it's because Bruce was delivering performances like this.

Youtube: show


What's so bad about it?


Bruce sounds a bit grittier on those tunes but I thought it worked well. Still better than the tuneless hackery of the Blaze era.

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putrenista
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:10 pm 
 

GodlessDolphin wrote:
It's hard to out-obnoxious Flames of Hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbyCJ0BLhz0



That's the best part of that whole album! In the chorus, the first "Evil" that he goes into siren mode on. He sorta stuck with it for the rest of the song, but that first one in particular (at 00:50 sec) is so intense.

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Steve Nebraska
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:53 pm 
 

GodlessDolphin wrote:
It's hard to out-obnoxious Flames of Hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbyCJ0BLhz0



Winner!! Hahaha I’m still laughing!

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schizoid
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:10 pm 
 

Most of Dim Mak's material is ruined by shouty vocals.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:06 pm 
 

Ace_Rimmer wrote:

Bruce sounds a bit grittier on those tunes but I thought it worked well. Still better than the tuneless hackery of the Blaze era.



The X Factor has to be one of the greatest works Iron Maiden has ever done.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:21 pm 
 

Thexhumed wrote:
Ace_Rimmer wrote:

Bruce sounds a bit grittier on those tunes but I thought it worked well. Still better than the tuneless hackery of the Blaze era.



The X Factor has to be one of the greatest works Iron Maiden has ever done.


I actually really, really like The X Factor as well. Blaze surely wasn't suited to sing the older tracks, and he isn't a great singer in general, but I think the darkness of his first Maiden album was pretty great.

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DividerOfShadows
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:27 am 
 

InnesI wrote:
Thexhumed wrote:
The X Factor has to be one of the greatest works Iron Maiden has ever done.


I actually really, really like The X Factor as well. Blaze surely wasn't suited to sing the older tracks, and he isn't a great singer in general, but I think the darkness of his first Maiden album was pretty great.


The X Factor was the darkest album Iron Maiden ever recorded and I like it a lot. I don't think songs would suit Bruce's voice all that much. Blaze is really underrated as a singer and probably only because he found himself temporarily replacing Maiden's iconic singer and had to live in his shadow.
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CradleOfBurzum, about the new Summoning album snippet, wrote:
I was hoping for some material that resembles closer to "Lugburz"


And I'm still hoping for Katy Perry to do another Christian album.


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agent_fist
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:51 pm 
 

Youtube: show


It's even better because her English is so incomprehensible.

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fulcizombie
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:46 am 
 

The pantera/machine head style of vocals, the bro thing of the nineties , horrible.

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nekrosonic wrote:
Jens Kidman's flow is sick yall haters.

Yeah, I don't understand the people shit-talking Meshuggah either. I've always found Jens has a ridiculous intensity to his delivery and his timing is impeccable. He doesn't have a huge range, but it complements the music's mechanical feel perfectly. It wouldn't be the same band with some generic death metal grunting on top.

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The pantera/machine head style of vocals, the bro thing of the nineties , horrible.

That said, agreed here. The tuff guy vocals have always been cringe-worthy to me, even if they did inspire a lot of other vocalists (see above).

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DividerOfShadows wrote:
Maybe Silencer's "Death - Pierce Me" would do the trick? I know some folks would say that the yells and screams serve the music, but my ears would kinda disagree.

Youtube: show


I was actually gonna mention this. The guy sounds like someone complaining to his teacher in junior high school that someone stole his bike or something... it's like: "TEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAACHEEEEEEER!!! SOMEONE STOLE MY BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKE!!!! eh!"

And yeah, I hated this so much. Fucking stupid!!
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DividerOfShadows
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:08 pm 
 

agent_fist wrote:
Youtube: show


It's even better because her English is so incomprehensible.


I do realise that thrash metal mostly utilises yelling as a main vocal technique, but this is simply ridiculous. I love it. Thrash. Thrash! THRAAAAAAAASH!!!

Yeah, and lyrics are super funny too: "Let's make love in the pool! Let's make love in the refrigerator!"
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CradleOfBurzum, about the new Summoning album snippet, wrote:
I was hoping for some material that resembles closer to "Lugburz"


And I'm still hoping for Katy Perry to do another Christian album.


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FirebathDan
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:48 pm 
 

Peter Dolving on the first album by The Haunted-the vocal approach is one of the most ridiculously over the top, in your face straight shouting performances I've ever heard. No singing (save for "In Vein"), no growling, no shrieking, no screaming, just an insanely angry dude shouting as much as his lungs will physically allow him to do.

To me, this further aides in the blunt intensity of this album, which is bluntly intense to begin with, instrumentally speaking.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:58 pm 
 

Sadistik Exekution did this a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qETYenbPNg
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Nazgul1974
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I´m sorry for what I´m going to say, at risk of being bullied here, but as a big fan of Death, I just can´t stand Chuck´s vocals in The Sound of Perseverance, they are so weak, almost girly.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:57 pm 
 

Anything from Cannibal Corpse with George on vocals aside from maybe Vile which has a tasteful mix on the vocals IMO.

Horna's sanojesi äärelle has really loud vocals that are probably too loud but wholly match the aggresiveness on this release.

https://youtu.be/sxUtxcoEU_o?t=655

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Necrobiotik
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Nazgul1974 wrote:
I´m sorry for what I´m going to say, at risk of being bullied here, but as a big fan of Death, I just can´t stand Chuck´s vocals in The Sound of Perseverance, they are so weak, almost girly.

Yeah,specially in his version of Painkiller. Unnecessarily forced. On the other hand,Mille Petrozza's vocals since Violent Revolution got just weak for me,without that unique characteristic of the Extreme Aggression album.
The fact that they naturally will never sing in their better voice again it's a shame.
Chuck is dead , i know. :-D

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Nazgul1974 wrote:
I´m sorry for what I´m going to say, at risk of being bullied here, but as a big fan of Death, I just can´t stand Chuck´s vocals in The Sound of Perseverance, they are so weak, almost girly.


But aren't you just trying to bully a dead guy by saying his vocals are "so weak, almost girly." Kinda of a stupid criticism to me; of course you don't have to like the vocals there, but why do you have bring out those tired old tropes of associating women as being lesser than? His vocals are certainly higher pitched on the album, as compared to the previous albums. It was just a different take on the music he was creating at the time. I think he was looking to go beyond Death and do something more melodic obviously, and felt singing that way was a better fit with those arrangements.

Necrobiotik wrote:
Yeah,specially in his version of Painkiller. Unnecessarily forced. On the other hand,Mille Petrozza's vocals since Violent Revolution got just weak for me,without that unique characteristic of the Extreme Aggression album.
The fact that they naturally will never sing in their better voice again it's a shame.
Chuck is dead , i know. :-D


I do agree about Mille since the 2000s basically. But I think Chuck on that Painkiller cover sounds incredible. He really went over the top to try and do that song right, but with a little bit of a death metal edge.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:56 am 
 

the Painkiller cover doesn't suck because of the vocals (they are wack but they're consistently wack through the album and are appropriate considering the cover's source material). the Painkiller cover sucks because they somehow manage to play it SLOWER than the original and totally fuck up the solos to boot. breaks my fucking heart everytime I hear someone say they prefer it over the original.
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I think Chuck's high-pitch screaming sounds great on "Sound of Perseverance" as well as on the somewhat divisive Painkiller cover (I wouldn't say it's better than the original, but I have always loved it just for how he managed to be faithful to the source material while basically turning it into a Death song). I also absolutely love the insane Halford-esque screams he does there, he sounds like a fucking air raid siren :lol:. That shit is objectively goddamn impressive!
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